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Kevin said:
You can argue any way you like, but believing in imaginary supreme beings,
and taking action on such pathetic beliefs, is a recipe for disaster.

I would argue that with GWB in power and 'talking to God', that disaster is
already well upon us.

Graham
 
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Jan said:
On a sunny day it happened "Michael A.


I have heard this version:
In the beginning there was nothing.
Then God said: Let there be light.
There was still nothing, but you could see it a lot better.

I like that one.


Grajam
 
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John said:
Religious people accomplish more real-world work
than unbelievers.

LMFAO !

Russia changed from a peasant society to an industrialised one in a previously
unheard of short length of time.

Peasant society 1918
One powerful enough to beat the Nazis 1944

Graham
 
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John said:
How utterly lame. Religious people accomplish more real-world work
than unbelievers. That's why we had Muslim and British empires,

The British Empire was based on TRADE, and things like port facilities not
religion.
and why the USA is now the only superpower,

God help us !

Graham
 
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John said:
So, where did the universe come from?

Does it really matter in the overall scheme of daily things and what reason is
there to believe that an old bloke in a cloak with a long beard did it ?

Graham
 
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John said:
Creationism can be a valid scientific theory

Where's the science ? The study, the development of a hypothesis and then a theory ?

Graham
 
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John said:
The idea that life on Earth happened from inorganic sources is
absolute dogma, without a shread of proof, or even any decent
theories.

It's certainly been shown in the lab that amino acids, the basic building blocks of life, can be
formed under conditions that were likely to exist on Earth zillions of years ago.

This is indisputable.

Give it those zillion years and here we are.

Show me the same for Creationism. And of course Christian zealots therefore insist the earth must
be only 5000-7000 years old or so. How could you be so STUPID as to fall for this utter bunkum ?
I thought you had a brain and a good one at that !

Graham
 
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John said:
The idea that life on Earth happened from inorganic sources is
absolute dogma, without a shread of proof, or even any decent
theories.

Exogenesis is, in my opinion, much more likely, but it's rarely
mentioned because of fear of getting too close to "Creationism." There
are directions in which most scientists don't allow themselves to
look. I know circuit designers like that.

The real tiebreaker, aside from some SETI type of discovery, must lie
in our DNA itself. "Junk DNA" was dismissed as useless artifacts of
evolution, but are likely to be a lot more important than anyone cared
to consider.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,435184,00.html

http://features.csmonitor.com/innovation/2008/10/20/how-many-civilizations-are-in-our-galaxy/

csmonitor <sigh>

Junk DNA would merely prove randomness in the evolution of life. Any scientist would EXPECT that.

Graham
 
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John said:
If it means spreading democracy and health and security around the
world, yes, absolutely.

Except you're doing EXACTLY the OPPOSITE. You have destroyed democracy, damaged
health and brought war and destruction around the world.

At least the British Empire did achieve those things which is why over 50
independent nations are happy of their own free will to be part of our
Commonwealth of Nations. Even FRANCE wanted to join at one time ! There is also a
small member nation (Mozambique) that was never ever under British Rule but wanted
to join the club and we agreed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_Nations

It is the largest 'club of nations' outside the United Nations and I for one am
proud both of it and the story it tells.

Graham

p.s. the USA is an eligible candidate.
 
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John said:
The USA invented modern democracy

What fucking crap.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of_Man#Tynwald

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of_Man#Structure

The Island's parliament is Tynwald, which dates from at least AD 979 and is said
to be the oldest continuously existing parliament in the world. Tynwald is a
bicameral legislature, comprising the House of Keys (directly elected by universal
suffrage) and the Legislative Council (consisting of indirectly elected and
ex-officio members). These two bodies meet together in joint session as Tynwald.

The executive branch of government is the Council of Ministers, which is composed
of members of Tynwald. It is headed by the Chief Minister, currently Tony Brown
MHK.

Graham
 
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John said:
Given that you have no theories about the origin of the universe, and
apparently no interest, why do you care to mock people who do?

If you believe in nothing, why does *anything* matter?

Maybe only your ego matters.

Maybe you actually resent people who have something to believe in. I
do that, sometimes; I certainly envy them.

Where did I say I resent them ? You will find no such statement. I may think
they're foolish to be so taken in, but resent ? NO !

Graham
 
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John said:
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Yup. Even if exogenesis did explain the origin of life on Earth it
wouldn't explain the origin of life where the carrier came from or, if
it was exogenetically started there, where it started at the beginning
of the chain.

Exactly. It's little different to "who's God's God ?". At best it's obfuscation.

Graham
 
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"Around here" being the operative words. This solar system is 5B(?)
years old. There are plenty of older stars and plenty that are no
more.
Someplace else that got stable 10 billion years ago or so? Who knows,
they might have seeded this planet.

OTOH, the stars that are no more, were needed for the building
blocks. IIRC, anything heavier than Iron came from a supernova.
 
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It didn't. Never heard of the dinosaurs ? Maybe there was another 'tier' of life even before
they became extinct ?

It probably didn't;
See.


It's just taken that long for things to get stable
enough around here to support life as we know it.

As we know it.

Someplace else that got stable 10 billion years ago or so? Who knows,
they might have seeded this planet.

It's an interesting concept but seems not to tally with the Big Bang Theory AIUI.

I wouldn't rule out seeding from another intelligent race even within the last 10-20 thousand
years though. Why did Neanderthal man die off for example ? There's recent evidence of
Neardethal man co-existing and even trading with Homo Sapiens in the near past. Indeed,
conceivably evidence that we may have Neanderthal DNA in us.

Graham
 
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