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Eeyore
Sjouke said:Any name,god,fairy,gnome can be used to prove nothing.
This is how the audiophools operate.
Graham
Sjouke said:Any name,god,fairy,gnome can be used to prove nothing.
Kevin said:I can state without hesitation, that the idea of a mass shell enclosing this
universe, does not fit the observations. Its the actual technical details
that matttter, not some ad-hoc well maybe...
Kevin said:Free will, essentially by definition, is the ability of an object, an "I" to
make a decision that "I" wants. The fact that an aspect of free will is non
predictability i.e. not determinism, does *not* imply that it must be
random. Free will is the ability to chose for oneself. If the choice is
random, than there is no choice. This is trivially obvious.
John said:Consider that brains that evolved as hunters and gatherers are also
capable of differential calculus, reading at 400 wpm, designing
electronics, building and flying jet planes...
John said:Sarah is cool. We're not afraid of smart, funny, competent women here.
Jamie said:Tea table don't you mean?
Since when did the British give up tea and start being
socialistic with coffee?
Tea table don't you mean?Eeyore said:Kevin Aylward wrote:
That's a shame.
I always though of the Universe as being a bit like some kind of an experiment
in a 'goldfish bowl' sitting on God's ? coffee table.
Graham
John said:Where did the universe come from anyhow?
You can't distinguish between good things and evil things?
Then why does anything matter?
I'd sure rather have lunch with her than anybody else in the race. She
and McCain are genuine; Obama and Biden are fakes through and through.
and my hypothesis at least hints at an explanation.
Beside, I talked it over with Hal Puthoff a year or so ago, and he
liked it.
Yeah...right....
I don't care much for the theatricals of the "Einstein was wrong
brigade",
but wasn't Eistein part of the "Newton was wrong" brigade in his own
way?
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You can state it without hesitation, but unless you can explain how
the _observation_ that the red shift accelerates with distance
doesn't agree with the hypothesis that a huge gravitational
attraction from an external source is the cause of the acceleration,
the statement is baseless.
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In the end, yes, but it all starts with an ad-hoc well maybe.
Don't you think that some time elapsed between Einstein's first
inkling that matter and energy were two sides of the same coin and
his formal E = MC²?
Eeyore said:If free will doesn't exist then who's making the decisions ?
John said:Sarah is cool. We're not afraid of smart, funny, competent women here.
John
My brother-in-law just gave me a briefing on Sarah Palin. Is she really that
dreadful ? It made my blood run cold.
MooseFET said:She is a theocrat + Dick Cheney with breasts. She believes that the
VP has actual powers beyond breaking ties in the senate. She has
motivated that part of the republican base that wishes to centralize
all power in Washington DC and into the hands of a few elite.
The accelerating red shift with distance and the inverse square law
hints at something unbelievably massive toward which the distant
red-shifted galaxies are hurtling.
A wall of some sort perhaps? But in every direction? A bubble of some
sort?
Why not?
Imagine an infinitely or nearly infinitely dense Universe which has
always been there and in which are exerted forces which from time to
time cause a cavitation-like event to occur which creates a bubble into
which outgasses material from the Universe and forms our little bubble
universe, which wasn't there before, all at once.
Also, since we don't know what rules govern the Universe, who's to say
it isn't heaven?
Or God?
MooseFET said:On Oct 24, 11:10 am, John Fields <[email protected]>
wrote:
[...]The accelerating red shift with distance and the inverse square law
hints at something unbelievably massive toward which the distant
red-shifted galaxies are hurtling.
There are several other theories that also explain it. Among them are
some that I like to bring up from time to time.
(1) The Cosmic Body Odor theory
The rest of the universe really is running away from us and yes it is
personal.
(2) The Invisible Magic Unicorns theory
It is all caused by invisible magic unicorns. There will never be an
explanation of where the magic unicorns came from.
The physicists I have spoken to about it tend to prefer (1) over (2).
On the more serious side, we assume that gravity follows a simple
inverse square law mostly because it fits the data so well at small
values of "r". If that is just the first term in a much longer
series, the curve could be fit.
A wall of some sort perhaps? But in every direction? A bubble of some
sort?
Why not?
A wall wouldn't make the right curve. The acceleration from a wall
would grow too rapidly at the extreme distances and too slowly short
of that. You could sort of fit the curve by making the wall extremely
massive and extremely far away but never accurately.
Imagine an infinitely or nearly infinitely dense Universe which has
always been there and in which are exerted forces which from time to
time cause a cavitation-like event to occur which creates a bubble into
which outgasses material from the Universe and forms our little bubble
universe, which wasn't there before, all at once.
I assume this is some force other than gravity. The field of gravity
from masses in two directions cancels producing no effect at the mid
point between them. This would not "cause the outgassing".
In quantum physics something the size of the universe could come into
existence all on its own for no reason. The odds are extremely low
but we would only exist to ask the question in the one place where it
happened so to us the odds would be 100%.
Also, since we don't know what rules govern the Universe, who's to say
it isn't heaven?
Or God?
Or the invisible magic unicorns.
since there is no other rational explanation
for the acceleration of the red shift with distance other than an
external gravitational source.
If you know about anything that could be causing it, how about letting
us know about it?
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Sad.
"2 Gravitational fields are generated by a mass."
If that's true, (and observation does seem to indicate that it is)
then for mass to be accelerating there must be a gravitational field
attracting it.
In the case of distant galaxies, observation of their red shifts
indicates that the galaxies are receding, and that the more distant
the galaxy the higher its velocity of recession.
That, in turn, indicates that those galaxies are accelerating toward
what _must_ be a mass which is generating the gravitational field.
Since we see this acceleration everywhere we look, the mass must be
surrounding us at a distance greater than the galaxies receding the
fastest and, since our universe is mostly empty, that makes our
universe essentially a bubble surrounded by a mass capable of
attracting galaxies to itself.
John said:What does "numpty" mean? She was a successful mayor and governor.
She's not a lawyer. She's bright, funny, and practical.
Joe Biden is a blowhard and a lunatic who can't keep his thoughts or
mouth under control. He makes up things that never happened and steals
shamelessly. His affect is hair plugs and botox. Like Obama, he's a
fake, an illusion. Sarah is real, the kind of person I'm guessing you
could trust. The US will trust Obama or Biden at its great peril.
John said:---
Well, let's see...
If we live in a deterministic universe, then even what seems to be
random (the microwave background radiation, for example) isn't and,
from the beginning of time until now, the series of events which have
led up to my typing this have all been something I had absolutely no
control over and everything that happens in the future will also be
inescapably preordained.
However, you seem to be saying that even though randomness exists,
which flies in the face of determinism, free will cannot exist under
either condition.
You then go on with an argument about quantum entanglement, which you
say proves your point.
I fail to see why it does, since we can _choose_ to entangle electrons
or not, as we please.
Bottom line is, if you admit to the existence of, say, random noise or
any other random phenomenon, that sounds the death knell for
determinism.
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Free will, essentially by definition, is the ability of an object,
an "I" to make a decision that "I" wants. The fact that an aspect of
free will is non predictability i.e. not determinism, does *not*
imply that it must be random. Free will is the ability to chose for
oneself. If the choice is random, than there is no choice. This is
trivially obvious.
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You misunderstand.
The _choice_ isn't random, what is chosen can be. [picked from a
random set]
Here:
First, the existence of determinism precludes the existence of free
will,
Yes.
(and randomness) so if random noise exists determinism can't.
Second, If determinism can't exist then free will can.
Third, If free will exists then we can exercise it by making choices,
which we do, from any number of things, events, etc.
For instance: "I think I'll turn right", "I'll have potatoes instead
of turnips", "I'll stop typing now instead of continuing." etc.
JF
Kevin said:Oh dear, me, *anyone* with strong pro religious views such as hers is unfit
to manage a dog show.