Wow, first lead-free victim: Microsoft Xbox 1 billion damage

[Glenn Gundlach]

It's likely to be subjective anyhow--was the egg too weak, or did you
just drop it from too high? That is, was the failure because the
solder broke (i.e., the material), or because it was made to break
(i.e. thermal design)?

Cheers,
James Arthur

Golly, I just thought they made their hardware to the same high
standards as their software.......

GG

 

[James Arthur]

Golly, I just thought they made their hardware to the same high
standards as their software.......

GG

Yeah--ship bugs and Bill[sic] for the fix^H^H^Hupgrades,
bugs=bucks. They've rudely discovered, though, that that model
doesn't work for hardware. Strangely, people expect hardware to work!

Really, it's the designers' fault either way--if lead-free has
special thermal difficulties, they should've designed their box to
suit.

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

[James Arthur]

I was wandering around a small Louisiana town with a geiger counter
some years back, and the hottest thing around was the post office,
made of red brick.

John

Cool. Or "hot", actually. It does call up the spectre of some
20/20(*) feature though: The Katrina Nuke Global Warming Coverup...

*20/20 = a popular press television investigative/news show

Cheers!
James

 

[Eeyore]

The XBOX 360 is the first victim of the lead free
industry move.

I see no evidence that lead-free is the reason for the problem.

Attempting to make lead-free look the culprit for this will only dilute the
value of any serious objection to using lead-free.

Graham

 

[[email protected]]

No, he did not mention that. If you want to contact him click on the
"hag" below the article and it'll show his full email address. Then you
can ask him.

Well, based on history I will for now assume their experts are right,
and have some reservations about lead-free.
You question their reporting, you find out their experts.

I'v been with heise a long time (years), and was a reader of C'T
magazine for ten years I think, and if their experts came from that
place chances are 99% they are right.
I stopped buying C'T when much computer info appeared on the internet
(say google took of).
I still have their latest PS3 special edition here though

 

[Jasen Betts]

Now _one_ atom of Pu inhaled and settling in your body can kill you over time.

Like a permanent Xray.

impossible, an atom of plutonium can't produce more than about 30
energetic particles before it has decayed into inert atoms

Bye.
Jasen

 

[Eeyore]

Well, based on history I will for now assume their experts are right,
and have some reservations about lead-free.
You question their reporting, you find out their experts.

I'v been with heise a long time (years), and was a reader of C'T
magazine for ten years I think, and if their experts came from that
place chances are 99% they are right.

It's seems you like to jump to the wrong conclusion if it suits your
preconceptions, like your opinion that Boeing lied about using delpeted uranium
in 757s and 767s.

It's possible it seems that lead-free solders may possibly have aggravated the
situation but quite clearly poor design is the root cause.


Graham

 

[Spurious Response]

I see no evidence that lead-free is the reason for the problem.

Attempting to make lead-free look the culprit for this will only dilute the
value of any serious objection to using lead-free.

Graham

The declaration is about what the OP meant by the post title, not that
said meaning is true or false.

The other idiot actually thinks there is a human victim being claimed.

 

[Spurious Response]

It's seems you like to jump to the wrong conclusion if it suits your
preconceptions, like your opinion that Boeing lied about using delpeted uranium
in 757s and 767s.

It's possible it seems that lead-free solders may possibly have aggravated the
situation but quite clearly poor design is the root cause.

Which is what my first replies in the thread declare.

 

[John Larkin]

Cool. Or "hot", actually. It does call up the spectre of some
20/20(*) feature though: The Katrina Nuke Global Warming Coverup...

*20/20 = a popular press television investigative/news show

Cheers!
James

Ah, the Godzilla Effect: nuclear testing in the 1950's caused Katrina.

Actually, it did.

John

 

[John Larkin]

impossible, an atom of plutonium can't produce more than about 30
energetic particles before it has decayed into inert atoms

Actually, it can, but the probability is awfully low.

Plutonium gets a bad rap. It's neither the most toxic nor the most
carcinogenic substance known, as I've heard anti-nukers claim. The
really nasty stuff is produced by bacteria and molds.

John

 

[Jan Panteltje]

impossible, an atom of plutonium can't produce more than about 30
energetic particles before it has decayed into inert atoms

Bye.
Jasen

It will destroy a cells mechainsm and cause cancer causing death.
A cloud of burned Du will contain many such particles.
Do the math.

 

[Joerg]

Well, based on history I will for now assume their experts are right,
and have some reservations about lead-free.
You question their reporting, you find out their experts.

I see that a bit differently. I see a strong statement is made in a
magazine, I expect there to be evidence to back that up. Apparently
there wasn't.

Oh well, glitches happen and not everything is perfect. I am not perfect
either.

I'v been with heise a long time (years), and was a reader of C'T
magazine for ten years I think, and if their experts came from that
place chances are 99% they are right.
I stopped buying C'T when much computer info appeared on the internet
(say google took of).
I still have their latest PS3 special edition here though

I used to read c't as well while in Europe. Out here you can't buy it.
But I agree that in general Heise is a pretty good publisher.

 

[[email protected]]

Wow, first lead-free vicim: Microsoft Xbox 1 billion damage.
I just did read that as a cause of the Xbox problems (red ring of death,
3 blinking red LEDs) now the lead free solder is mentioned.
It desintegrates over time at the high temperatures.
MS fixes it by adding an extra fan and heatpipe.
MS will make a new Xbox design (Falcon).

If this is correct we can expact more multi million PC fun....

Source (in German):
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/92447

I remember reading about Microsoft's XBOX environmental testing a few
years ago, they had pictures of their testing chamber, it looked like
someone when to home depot and bought some lumber and built it. I was
thinking these people need to contract this stuff out, I guess I was
right, anyway this was I think the article, but no pictures
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2005/08/a_walk_through_.html

 

[krw]

It will destroy a cells mechainsm and cause cancer causing death.

Highly unlikely. Pu has a half-life of 80 or 25000 years.

A cloud of burned Du will contain many such particles.
Do the math.

A cloud of PuO2 contains more than one atom of PU. Do the math.

 

[Jasen Betts]

It will destroy a cells mechainsm and cause cancer causing death.

A cloud of burned Du will contain many such particles.

Do the math.

Thirty particles may or may not cause cancer depending on what they
hit, DNA is a small target, the few miligrams of potassium in your
body is a radioactive source over million a times stronger than a
single atom of plutonium.

 

[Spurious Response]

Ah, the Godzilla Effect: nuclear testing in the 1950's caused Katrina.

Actually, it did.

John

You are so full of shit.

Us, getting closer and closer to the galactic equator is doing it.

2012 is just around the corner.

Poles be flippin'...

Before you know it, exactly none of the set of worries about daily life
you possess currently will matter compared to those you will acquire.

 

[Spurious Response]

Actually, it can, but the probability is awfully low.

Plutonium gets a bad rap. It's neither the most toxic nor the most
carcinogenic substance known, as I've heard anti-nukers claim. The
really nasty stuff is produced by bacteria and molds.

John

Beer! (close, spores are to bacterium)

And...

Rye Fungus! (close to mold, but better for you) ;-]

 

[Spurious Response]

Thirty particles may or may not cause cancer depending on what they
hit, DNA is a small target, the few miligrams of potassium in your
body is a radioactive source over million a times stronger than a
single atom of plutonium.

The word for today is: MOLE.

How much damage would a mole do? (not the front yard variety)

 

[Eeyore]

Actually, it can, but the probability is awfully low.

Plutonium gets a bad rap. It's neither the most toxic nor the most
carcinogenic substance known, as I've heard anti-nukers claim. The
really nasty stuff is produced by bacteria and molds.

Beer! (close, spores are to bacterium)

And...

Rye Fungus! (close to mold, but better for you) ;-]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergot

Dodgy stuff.

The first migraine treatment I was prescribed contained ergotamine tartrate.

Graham