Why aren't computer clocks as accurate as cheap quartz watches?

[Mxsmanic]

Many people upgrade the hardware and then update the operating
system.

No, they do not. Most people replace the computer if they need a
faster one. Many people keep the same computer for years without any
changes. They usually keep it until it fails, then they replace it.

 

[David Maynard]

Liar troll

Please, no more of your self analysis.

 

[David Maynard]

My name calling should flatter you. Obviously you will say anything
not no matter how frivolous, in an attempt to win an argument. Any
technical advice you give should be verified by the reader with
someone who can be trusted.

Well, at least you're consistently loony.

You provided a citation. I am impressed.

First sane thing you've said.

Which doesn't mean anything by itself. If Netscape were
overcharging, Microsoft would have been able to gain market share
without illegally using its Windows monopoly.

I didn't make any comment at all about what would be a 'fair', or 'unfair'
price.

 

[David Maynard]

["Followup-To:" header set to sci.electronics.basics.]

Peter wrote:


On the other hand, would you buy an O.S. with no browser?

if I already had a browser.

Would most people?

most people buy a computer with the software already installed.
they could as easily buy an OS and a browser as buy an OS with a browser.

And, if not, doesn't that make it a rather 'necessary part' of the
product whether one can remove it or not? And if you were making an O.S.
would you depend on someone else to provide your critical update mechanism,
hoping they make mods as you need them, on time, bug free, rather than
whatever they might determine is 'more important' to their own product
schedule? Or would you feel that important enough a feature to be 'a
necessary part' of your O.S., written and maintained by your own people?

There's no need for the browser to be part of the critical update mechanism.

But then, back to the other side, if you believe it isn't necessary you
just pooh pooh the notion and argue anyone's browser would work just fine
if they didn't 'intentionally' make their dumb update mechanism odd ball
(and you'd believe it).

Debian's update mechanism works fine without a browser.

And we could go on and on, back and forth, in the same manner because
there's always "a way to do it," depending on your opinion of what an O.S.
product "should be" and what's "just as good" or "acceptable."

But then browsers don't all work 'exactly' the same, do they? and when the
user has a problem with your "Internet Ready" O.S., and automatic updates,
who do they call for support? Who do they blame? What's broke? Who fixes it?

say what?

It's a redundant waste of time to snip out the 'other side' points I
included and then type them right back in with your own wording of the same
thing.

 

[Gary H]

Your claim wasn't just overly simplistic it was fundamentally flawed logic.



Which is why your logic had no sense to it.



You've not provided any evidence of it.



But sane, rational, 'good guy' you would wait till there isn't any?

You don't notice a teensy flaw in your business plan?



Just the facts, mam.



Metal tube in the ground. You got some other kind?

Stupid a**hole. The pipeline would be over a coupla thousand
miles of Tundra. Do you know what that is? I doubt it. Why
let factual information get in the way. You cannot bury pipe in
perma-frost. Also, when run on the surface, migration paths for
caribou and other migratory species *must* be considered. The
route chosen by our government, which would have addressed all
those concerns was too costly and too much trouble for
administrators of the US oil industry so, they wouldn't build
it. So, screw ya, do without it.

Good for you. So stop whining about the costs they impose.

Not whining about that part. Whining because the goddam crowd
of thieves on Wall St are the cause of these increases.

<snip, bullshit>

 

[David Maynard]

Stupid a**hole. The pipeline would be over a coupla thousand miles of
Tundra. Do you know what that is?

Sure, I know what it is. I do not, however, know where the hell you're
located so get off you self indulgent high horse.

I doubt it. Why let factual
information get in the way. You cannot bury pipe in perma-frost. Also,
when run on the surface, migration paths for caribou and other migratory
species *must* be considered. The route chosen by our government, which
would have addressed all those concerns was too costly and too much
trouble for administrators of the US oil industry so, they wouldn't
build it. So, screw ya, do without it.

Typical whiner. Can't do this. Can't do that. Then blame it on someone else.

If your government is going to decide everything then why don't you folks
build it your own blessed selves?

Not whining about that part. Whining because the goddam crowd of
thieves on Wall St are the cause of these increases.

Yeah, it's all a 'plot' just to get you.

And you wonder why you sound like a conspiracy buff or paranoid.

 

[Gary H]

Sure, I know what it is. I do not, however, know where the hell you're
located so get off you self indulgent high horse.



Typical whiner. Can't do this. Can't do that. Then blame it on someone
else.

Good gawd a'mighty, what the hell are you on about. There's no
blame being placed on anyone.
It's strictly the US government and US oil interests who are
whining, because they can't get their own way in implementing a
pipeline from Alaska (that's US territory) through Canada
(that's our territory).
They want to do it cheap and dirty and consequently, go about
f**king up some other country's environment like they've done
with their own. Canada says no, meet these criteria or forget
it. Don't you think the US would do the same if things were
reversed??

If your government is going to decide everything then why don't you
folks build it your own blessed selves?

Of course we decide everything in this case, It's still our
country. I suppose it is? I haven't looked at Dubbya's latest
moves yet today. You *do* understand that Canada is not part of
the US I assume?

We don't need to build it. We don't want to build it. We have
no reason to build it. We have enough oil, we don't need any
more. Besides, it's US oil, not Canadian oil. Already told you
that a number of times as well. It's US oil coming from a US
State and Canada *happens* to be in the way.

Ha, how many times do you have to be told that is not where the
costs come from. The costs are fixed by the New York Stock
Exchange and Futures Buyers. Jeeze, you *can't possibly* be
that dumb and unaware of the world around you. Haven't you
noticed statements like "The price of oil for delivery in
February will be ....", for example or, the price of oil was up
on the NYSE today due to "profit taking" (like that excuses it).
How in the hell does anyone *know* what the situation is
gonna be in February? Nobody knows what it will be like next
friggin' week for chrissake.

Yeah, it's all a 'plot' just to get you.

Not a plot, just plain GREED, as I've said a number of times
already. Why do you always have to try and read in something
that is not there? Really don't feel too secure in your
argument or what??

And you wonder why you sound like a conspiracy buff or paranoid.

Keeerist, you're sure hung up on the psychological babble talk.
Find another angle, this one is wearing thin.

 

[John Doe]

There's no need for the browser to be part of the critical update
mechanism.

That's true, no need at all.

Debian's update mechanism works fine without a browser.

So does Microstar International's which will even assess and update
a user's BIOS.

But you are arguing with a troll, facts bounce right off of him.

 

[John Doe]

No, they do not. Most people replace the computer if they need a
faster one. Many people keep the same computer for years without
any changes. They usually keep it until it fails, then they
replace it.

I said "many". Whether or not most do is probably unmeasured.

Once again, you leave me wondering why you are hanging out in the
homebuilt PC group. To ask questions and shill for Microsoft I
guess.

 

[Mxsmanic]

Once again, you leave me wondering why you are hanging out in the
homebuilt PC group.

I'm running two computers that I built myself.

To ask questions and shill for Microsoft I guess.

Don't guess.

 

[David Maynard]

Good gawd a'mighty, what the hell are you on about. There's no blame
being placed on anyone.

Why is it that some people think that denying what they do in the very next
sentence is a 'logical' argument?

It's strictly the US government and US oil interests who are whining,
because they can't get their own way in implementing a pipeline from
Alaska (that's US territory) through Canada (that's our territory).
They want to do it cheap and dirty and consequently, go about f**king up
some other country's environment like they've done with their own.
Canada says no, meet these criteria or forget it. Don't you think the
US would do the same if things were reversed??

I've already seen how it can bes done cooperatively and with extensive
environmental 'considerations', as you call it, with the existing Alyeska
pipeline so your claims do not jibe with reality.

Of course we decide everything in this case, It's still our country. I
suppose it is? I haven't looked at Dubbya's latest moves yet today.
You *do* understand that Canada is not part of the US I assume?

When attempting to work with someone else it's never 'all' one or the other
and that you seem to think so is likely one of the problems.

We don't need to build it. We don't want to build it. We have no
reason to build it. We have enough oil, we don't need any more.
Besides, it's US oil, not Canadian oil. Already told you that a number
of times as well. It's US oil coming from a US State and Canada
*happens* to be in the way.

Thanks for being a good neighbor.

Ha, how many times do you have to be told that is not where the costs
come from. The costs are fixed by the New York Stock Exchange and
Futures Buyers. Jeeze, you *can't possibly* be that dumb and unaware of
the world around you. Haven't you noticed statements like "The price of
oil for delivery in February will be ....", for example or, the price of
oil was up on the NYSE today due to "profit taking" (like that excuses
it). How in the hell does anyone *know* what the situation is gonna be
in February? Nobody knows what it will be like next friggin' week for
chrissake.

Supply and demand.

Not a plot, just plain GREED, as I've said a number of times already.
Why do you always have to try and read in something that is not there?
Really don't feel too secure in your argument or what??

Just that I understand supply and demand in a world market.

Keeerist, you're sure hung up on the psychological babble talk. Find
another angle, this one is wearing thin.

Well, yes, your insistence on using it is getting rather old.

 

[Gary H]

Why is it that some people think that denying what they do in the very
next sentence is a 'logical' argument?

I really think you need to not only learn to read, but learn to
understand what you read. What is written below is a
*statement* not a *blame*. You're definitely mistaking me for
someone who gives a shit as to whether or not the oil gets south
of the border.

I've already seen how it can bes done cooperatively and with extensive
environmental 'considerations', as you call it, with the existing
Alyeska pipeline so your claims do not jibe with reality.



When attempting to work with someone else it's never 'all' one or the
other and that you seem to think so is likely one of the problems.

Man, you can't play ball with Goliath when he's continually
shoving the bat up your ass.

Thanks for being a good neighbor.

Good neighbor? If "good neighbor" is defined by giving up your
right to implement your own rules in your own country in what
you perceive as being the best and least destructive, Then I say
f**k it, be a lousy neighbor. Don't see much "good neighbor"
coming north from your neck of the woods, except when it serves
"American interests". Takes 2 to tango mister.

Supply and demand.

Supply and shit, we're talking months into the future. Supply
*and* demand is what happens in the present.

Just that I understand supply and demand in a world market.

WooHoo. From this thread and others I get the impression you
think you understand a lot about everything. I would argue the
point. But???

I say GREED. Do you need a definition? What could that
possibly have to do with "conspiracy and paranoia". Man, you
make absolutely no sense sometimes. I notice it normally occurs
"argument legs" get really wobbly.

Well, yes, your insistence on using it is getting rather old.

Really dumb statement. I guess enough is enough. Later

 

[David Maynard]

I really think you need to not only learn to read, but learn to
understand what you read. What is written below is a *statement* not a
*blame*. You're definitely mistaking me for someone who gives a shit as
to whether or not the oil gets south of the border.

Your assessment of virtually everything is a 'blame' of one sort or the
other. In this particular case, it's a blame you apparently consider
thankfully 'averted': the dirty rotten cheap bastard oil companies from
"f**king up some other country's environment."

Man, you can't play ball with Goliath when he's continually shoving the
bat up your ass.

I supposed this isn't a 'blame' either.

Good neighbor? If "good neighbor" is defined by giving up your right to
implement your own rules in your own country in what you perceive as
being the best and least destructive, Then I say f**k it, be a lousy
neighbor. Don't see much "good neighbor" coming north from your neck of
the woods, except when it serves "American interests". Takes 2 to tango
mister.

IMO a "good neighbor" is defined, in part at least, as being reasonable,
rational and, ideally, cordial and helpful but I'm not getting that
impression from you.

Supply and shit, we're talking months into the future. Supply *and*
demand is what happens in the present.

Simply not so. Companies of all kinds, not just 'oil', have to deal with
future supplies for the simple fact they hope to be in business past 'the
present' and not everything just spontaneously appears on your dock the
instant you may need it, at least not without planning into the future. So
if see you won't be able to get what you need *then* it affects what you do
*now*.

Btw, in your futures trading examples, the price generally goes *down* on
"profit taking," not up, (increased supply as the profit takers try to
sell) and that "nobody knows... what the situation is gonna be in February"
is why it's a risk. Futures traders are gambling on the price, they don't
'fix' it, so if that "for delivery in February" price they paid turns out
to be high they lose.


"Greed" is a motive and if it were not acted on you wouldn't be so
incensed. But you are so you obviously feel it's being acted on and that is
'the plot'. Or, in your case, I suspect it's many plots as you seem to use
it as a universal explanation for every perceived ill.

WooHoo. From this thread and others I get the impression you think you
understand a lot about everything. I would argue the point. But???

I provide the logic behind my 'understanding' so it can be evaluated.

I say GREED. Do you need a definition? What could that possibly have
to do with "conspiracy and paranoia". Man, you make absolutely no sense
sometimes. I notice it normally occurs "argument legs" get really
wobbly.

Explained just above. "Greed" is simply a motive behind the 'conspiracy'
and without the act the motive is moot so you'd have nothing to rail about.

Really dumb statement. I guess enough is enough. Later

I was referring to your insistence that every perceived ill is due to "greed."

 

[Gary H]

David Maynard wrote:

<SNIP>

This is obviously going nowhere. You have your opinion, I have
mine. Hmmm, strange huh? Just like two nations.

As with them, discussions are sometimes useless.

 

[JAD]

David Maynard wrote:

<SNIP>

This is obviously going nowhere. You have your opinion, I have mine.
Hmmm, strange huh? Just like two nations.

As with them, discussions are sometimes useless.

I find communication breaks down when the same old rhetoric gets spewed over
and over, whether its fact or just something they heard once from 'someone'
at the dinner table, who could have invested in MS in the 80's, but didn't
because it was a lark and would never become anything worth while.

 

[Gary H]

I find communication breaks down when the same old rhetoric gets spewed over
and over, whether its fact or just something they heard once from 'someone'
at the dinner table, who could have invested in MS in the 80's, but didn't
because it was a lark and would never become anything worth while.

You sure got that right. By both parties. My apologies, I
should have left it alone many many lines back.
Too stupid I suppose.

 

[Rich Grise, but drunk]

your begging the old fashioned way and you have internet access? Get with it
man, I'm a Technobum. I don't need to deal with the elements. I sit in blogs
and virtual street corners, I make twice that.

Really? Please do tell me more!

I suppose you could email me - I have a spamdump at [email protected],
but if you elide ard, I'll get it eventually. ;-)

But netiquette asks that you post so that others can benefit from your
answers; so if you want to email me, just cc your post.

Remember to elide ard. ;-)

Quant Suff!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise, but drunk]

The only people I have seen begging fit Rich's description of
alcoholics wanting booze. I've seen them with "Will work for food signs"
and they got pissed when someone stopped and gave them food instead of
money.

I don't. I thank them gushingly. Let's face the facts, I've been a bum
since long before I became a professional beggar. And like I said, it
takes a lot of pride to go hungry in a country where they throw away
hundred of pounds of food every day because the "sell by" code was
yesterday.

Hell, in college, the guys in the dorm would walk across the street
to the burger joint at closing time, when they were about to toss
the unsold burgers and fries into the dumpster. They just tossed them
to us instead.

The other things I learned in college are, Tang mixes perfectly well
with straight vodka, but it's terribly strong; and how to burn farts.

He's talking about Florida, the state that got Dubya elected. Of course
they're harsh!

Gee, its easy for you to judge others. Its a warm climate and these
people hive migrated here from all over the country. Some have mental
problems, others are thieves. They make no attempt to fit in with people
outside their small groups, and most encounters are when they are
stealing something. How do you expect people to think of them? They
have been offered help, food and clothing along with a place to shower
for free. Their reaction was to start more trouble. Some have been
arrested a number of times.

I notice a lot of "Them" here, speaking of "judg[ing] others". Maybe
"they" prefer not to receive largesse from a self-righteous boor who
issues his charity with a generous dollop of guilt-trip.

What was that crack about your walking-stick? You're such a victim
because they cut you off in the crosswalk? Is that the old rich white
people who do that?

Just whack them with your stick!

And lately, I haven't been begging, I've been selling jokes. This one's
pretty popular:

Q: How many white guys does it take to change out a light bulb?

A: One.

;-P

Good Luck!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

So, enlighten us! How do you help people who refuse to be helped?
Can you do that with only one hand on the keyboard?

We get off our fat, self-righteous, judgemental ass, and give what we can
spare, when we can spare it.

You astonish me sometimes, the way you rag on Jim Thompson, while, in
these tirades, you're practically indistinguishable from him.

Self-righteous is as self-righteous does.

And that "one hand on the keyboard" crack is kind of pitiable, when you
think it through.

Good Luck!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

I can only speak about those that I have met. I'm sure that there are
others, but I have never met any of them.

Maybe you should try. You might learn a little bit about what "self-
sufficiency" really means: Here's a clue: It's not "waiting for my
benefits check".

Thanks,
Rich