Why aren't computer clocks as accurate as cheap quartz watches?

[David Maynard]

David Maynard <nospam private.net> wrote:

<snip of John Doe's inability to have a single thought of his own>

 

[David Maynard]

David Maynard simply argues. The rest of us simply jog our memory to
a time when Internet Explorer was an add-on component to Windows.

David Maynard is old enough and technically inclined enough to know
better.

To imagine that an Internet browser is a necessary part of a
personal computer operating system is to suggest that a personal
computer cannot run the myriad of extremely valuable programs it in
fact ran before Microsoft bound Internet explorer to Windows.

John Doe is apparently unable to comprehend that the world changes and what
were acceptable products in the past no longer are, just as the previously
popular cars with hand crank starters no longer are.

Corporations or any entity that wants its subordinate(s) to use the
computer but not use an Internet browser would buy an operating
system with no browser.

Now show me any significant number who actually practice that novel theory.

A really good example IMO would be a parent who wants their kid to
have access to the ever increasing universe of information on the
Internet but wants a browser specifically programmed/tailored to
help keep the kid from stumbling on all of the garbage.

Which is still an O.S. with a browser.

The rest of us might buy an operating system preinstalled with a
browser of choice.

It has always been possible to get any browser at all preinstalled, or add one.

<snipped the rest of David Maynard's Microsoft Speak>

Which just proves that John Doe can't think of anything at all without knee
jerk labeling it Microsoft 'something' because I never mentioned Microsoft.

Not to mention the disingenuous snip and hack job distorting the context.

 

[David Maynard]

Just a troll.

Which, even if true, doesn't alter the fact that your post was one of the
most hilarious things I've seen in a long time,

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David Maynard wrote:
"The Netscape matter is interesting because they began by giving
their browser away..."

David Maynard conveniently forgets his own writing less than 24
hours old.

Didn't forget a thing, pal.

Assuming David Maynard's claim is true (is anything he says fact and
not just agreement with his personal opinion?) about Netscape giving
Navigator away is true,

You can try obfuscating it all you want but it is a matter of record that
Netscape was free.

it is no different than allowing pirates to
steal Windows and later putting the squeeze on us (think Windows
Product Activation WPA).

Microsoft never did such a thing. Netscape did.

How's that for a 'difference', eh?

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

I would be very impressed if (in reality) you never had a question
appropriate for the homebuilt PC group.

I have repaired computers for 23 years. I teach free classes on
computer repair and how to build your own. I have worked with embedded
controllers, both custom design and PC-104 format. Some of my computer
work is in orbit aboard the ISS. Now that I am a 100% non service
connected disabled veteran I have started a program to collect and
repair computers which are given to disabled veterans who can't afford
to purchase on on their disability pension. I repair some motherboards
and other computer circuit boards, monitors and printers. I owned a used
computer business for a few years before I went back to electronics
manufacturing of communications equipment. Do you have any idea how much
bandwidth is available to the ISS, or what equipment they use? I worked
on the KU band equipment used for data and private video link to the
ISS.

 

[David Maynard]

Overly simplistic bullshit.

Your claim wasn't just overly simplistic it was fundamentally flawed logic.

It's all of the sources worldwide that
supplies the planet

Which is why your logic had no sense to it.

and there is plenty at the moment.

You've not provided any evidence of it.

It will
eventually run out, so I guess the oil guys figure they'll get their
money now, while the gettin' is good..

But sane, rational, 'good guy' you would wait till there isn't any?

You don't notice a teensy flaw in your business plan?

Again, overly simplistic bullshit.

Just the facts, mam.

Again, over simplistic. It's not that building a pipeline is not
permitted, it that it's not permitted to build it the *way* you guys
want to do it.

Metal tube in the ground. You got some other kind?

We *do* have environmental protection rules up this way,
and where we have them, we apply them.

Good for you. So stop whining about the costs they impose.

Your shipping argument is totally off the wall and incorrect as well.
Never saw weather yet that could keep an oil tanker from it's appointed
rounds. Not even in the North Atlantic.

I hope your house in on the docks then.

As with everything else, I suppose when you you find yourselves behind
the eight ball with energy costs and availability, you'll just walk in
and take it like you feel it's your right. What is it you folks call it
down there? Oh yes, "American interests".

I have absolutely no idea what the heck any of that is supposed to mean or
by what twisted logic it came from.

We have plenty of refining capacity to look after our own needs up this
way.

Glad to hear it, so I don't suppose you have a problem then.

Other countries are responsible for their own refining capacity
construction programs. Unless the oil companies there, wish to keep the
cost of fuel artificially high. And, what it's priced at on the good
old New York Stock Exchange is what you guys, and the rest of the
friggin' world, pay for it.

Supply and demand.

 

[David Maynard]

Where are your geo. credentials? I live in California, does that make me an
expert on California oil deposits?

Unless you live in California, I could care less.Your oil means nothing to
me(or at least it shouldn't). 93% of my gas comes from California crude. So
why is it that gas prices here, are even effected by 'OPEC?

Because it's a world market and if oil is going for X everywhere else why
would a 'local' sell it there for Y when they could sell it to someone else
for the X world price?

Its a CON, and
as far as 'plenty' maybe for you - yourself, but as far as the world is
concerned, we better find an alternative soon, if in fact we don't already
have one. And pulling out the last drop of 'ballast' from the earth would
be a good thing?

Uh, what do you think the earth might 'sink' into? Space?

Yes it is, yet you seem not to get it. OIL is the biggest CON of all.
Evetually? It has been 'running out' for 10 years or more, We reached
maximum capasity long ago, and demand has coninued to grow.

Proven Oil Reserves (billions of barrels)

World OPEC
2003 1213 819
2002 1031 819
2001 1028 814
2000 1016 802
1999 1034 800
1998 1019 797
1997 1019 789
1996 1007 777
1995 1000 770
1994 999 772

 

[John Doe]

I have repaired computers for 23 years. I teach free classes on
computer repair and how to build your own. I have worked with
embedded controllers, both custom design and PC-104 format. Some
of my computer work is in orbit aboard the ISS. Now that I am a
100% non service connected disabled veteran I have started a
program to collect and repair computers which are given to
disabled veterans who can't afford to purchase on on their
disability pension. I repair some motherboards and other computer
circuit boards, monitors and printers. I owned a used computer
business for a few years before I went back to electronics
manufacturing of communications equipment.

Maybe you should write an autobiography, elsewhere.

Do you have any idea how much bandwidth is available to the ISS,

The ISS has a 20 MHZ bandwidth KU-Band data link to and from the
ground.

See if you can focus all that bandwidth on the current topic.

or what equipment they use? I worked on the KU band equipment used
for data and private video link to the ISS.

That suggests you are all knowing about picking parts for,
assembling, booting, and configuring a personal computer (and maybe
every other subject you discuss), but only in your head.

--
?

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

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[John Doe]

John Doe is apparently unable to comprehend that the world changes
and what were acceptable products in the past no longer are, just
as the previously popular cars with hand crank starters no longer
are.

The main reason Microsoft integrated Internet Explorer into Windows
was to crush the Navigator/Java threat.

Now show me any significant number who actually practice that
novel theory.

Step out of your closet and take off your blinders.

Which is still an O.S. with a browser.

Which could better be included by OEMs or installed by those of us
who don't need everything preinstalled.

It has always been possible to get any browser at all
preinstalled, or add one.

I guess you've never experienced the problems an integrated Internet
Explorer can cause in Windows. Some of us enjoy having only the
programs we need.

Long gone are the days I tried to keep up with the ever increasing
garbage Microsoft dumped onto my hard drive with each new version of
Windows. It's like living on a landfill.

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[John Doe]

Whether or not what David says is true.

And what was that?

It's illegal for them to install the same copy of Windows on more
than one machine.

You could drop dead and no one would notice.

And typical American families don't do this, anyway. They buy
machines with Windows preinstalled, so no legal issues arise.

Many computers are handed down.

Perhaps, but only dishonest people do this.

Scatter brain.

How?

I think your memory is getting shorter by the minute.

They have Windows preinstalled on their machines,

You are out of touch.

and so they
have no reason to pirate it. Additionally, most of them are
honest, and so they wouldn't necessarily pirate it even if they
had a reason to do so.

They do and they feel justified. Everybody else in the world gets it
for free, Americans don't like being the only support for
Microsoft's empire.

 

[John Doe]

Which, even if true, doesn't alter the fact that your post was one
of the most hilarious things I've seen in a long time,

Or maybe it's the hard drugs you are using.

Didn't forget a thing, pal.

Obviously you did.

Microsoft never did such a thing. Netscape did.

How's that for a 'difference', eh?

I think you have it backwards. Netscape began giving navigator away
after Microsoft began pushing navigator out of the market. That loss
was approximately 17% of Netscape's income.

 

[John Doe]

Within limits, yes.

What can you remember?

If it is forgotten, how are you able to refer to it?

Refer to what?

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[Mxsmanic]

Many computers are handed down.

A handed-down computer still contains the operating system originally
installed upon it, so this is not an excuse to pirate the software.

You are out of touch.

Every ordinary desktop computer I see these days has something
preinstalled on it, typically Microsoft Windows.

They do and they feel justified.

Crooks always feel justified. But not everyone is a crook.

 

[David Maynard]

Or maybe it's the hard drugs you are using.

Now you've descended into witless name calling, not that it was all that
grand a descent from where you started.

Obviously you did.

Obviously not.

I think you have it backwards.

Then you'd be wrong.

Netscape began giving navigator away
after Microsoft began pushing navigator out of the market.

That's when they returned to giving it away.

Netscape began life as Mosaic Communications Corp in April 1994 and took on
the name Netscape in November of the same year.

Read and weep http://www.jwz.org/gruntle/newsrelease1.html

"Netscape, Available Now,
Builds On Tradition of Freeware for the Net

MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. (October 13, 1994) -- Mosaic Communications
Corporation today announced that it is offering its newly introduced
Netscape network navigator free to users via the Internet.
..
..
..
"Making Netscape freely available to Internet users is Mosaic
Communications' way of contributing to the explosive growth of innovative
information applications on global networks," said Andreessen, vice
president of technology at Mosaic Communications.
"

That loss
was approximately 17% of Netscape's income.

After they wiped out the competition and acquired a dominate position, yes.

 

[David Maynard]

The main reason Microsoft integrated Internet Explorer into Windows
was to crush the Navigator/Java threat.

That's certainly your opinion but what makes you think your mind reading
skills work any better on Bill Gates than they do on me?

Step out of your closet and take off your blinders.

In other words you can't support the theory.

Which could better be included by OEMs

I've already explained why an O.S. supplier would want to control things
like critical updates and other O.S. functions.

or installed by those of us
who don't need everything preinstalled.

Feel free to install anything you like, just as you've always been able to.

I guess you've never experienced the problems an integrated Internet
Explorer can cause in Windows. Some of us enjoy having only the
programs we need.

You're right, I haven't experienced any problems.

Long gone are the days I tried to keep up with the ever increasing
garbage Microsoft dumped onto my hard drive with each new version of
Windows. It's like living on a landfill.

Then don't use Windows.

 

[John Doe]

Liar troll

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David Maynard <nospam private.net> wrote:




The main reason Microsoft integrated Internet Explorer into Windows
was to crush the Navigator/Java threat.

That's certainly your opinion but what makes you think your mind reading
skills work any better on Bill Gates than they do on me?

Step out of your closet and take off your blinders.

In other words you can't support the theory.

Which could better be included by OEMs

I've already explained why an O.S. supplier would want to control things
like critical updates and other O.S. functions.

or installed by those of us
who don't need everything preinstalled.

Feel free to install anything you like, just as you've always been able to.

I guess you've never experienced the problems an integrated Internet
Explorer can cause in Windows. Some of us enjoy having only the
programs we need.

You're right, I haven't experienced any problems.

Long gone are the days I tried to keep up with the ever increasing
garbage Microsoft dumped onto my hard drive with each new version of
Windows. It's like living on a landfill.

Then don't use Windows.

 

[John Doe]

A handed-down computer still contains the operating system
originally installed upon it,

Many people upgrade the hardware and then update the operating
system. You act stupid.

<snipped an opinion based on the incorrect premise>

Crooks always feel justified.

The United States appeals court wrote:
"Microsoft's primary copyright argument borders upon the frivolous.
The company claims an absolute and unfettered right to use its
intellectual property as it wishes: "If intellectual property rights
have been lawfully acquired," it says, then "their subsequent
exercise cannot give rise to antitrust liability." That is no more
correct than the proposition that use of one's personal property,
such as a baseball bat, cannot give rise to tort liability."

But not everyone is a crook.

Microsoft is.

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[Jasen Betts]

["Followup-To:" header set to sci.electronics.basics.]

Peter wrote:

On the other hand, would you buy an O.S. with no browser?

if I already had a browser.

Would most people?

most people buy a computer with the software already installed.
they could as easily buy an OS and a browser as buy an OS with a browser.

And, if not, doesn't that make it a rather 'necessary part' of the
product whether one can remove it or not? And if you were making an O.S.
would you depend on someone else to provide your critical update mechanism,
hoping they make mods as you need them, on time, bug free, rather than
whatever they might determine is 'more important' to their own product
schedule? Or would you feel that important enough a feature to be 'a
necessary part' of your O.S., written and maintained by your own people?

There's no need for the browser to be part of the critical update mechanism.

But then, back to the other side, if you believe it isn't necessary you
just pooh pooh the notion and argue anyone's browser would work just fine
if they didn't 'intentionally' make their dumb update mechanism odd ball
(and you'd believe it).

Debian's update mechanism works fine without a browser.

And we could go on and on, back and forth, in the same manner because
there's always "a way to do it," depending on your opinion of what an O.S.
product "should be" and what's "just as good" or "acceptable."

But then browsers don't all work 'exactly' the same, do they? and when the
user has a problem with your "Internet Ready" O.S., and automatic updates,
who do they call for support? Who do they blame? What's broke? Who fixes it?

say what?

Bye.
Jasen

 

[John Doe]

Now you've descended into witless name calling, not that it was
all that grand a descent from where you started.

My name calling should flatter you. Obviously you will say anything
not no matter how frivolous, in an attempt to win an argument. Any
technical advice you give should be verified by the reader with
someone who can be trusted.

Then you'd be wrong.


That's when they returned to giving it away.

Netscape began life as Mosaic Communications Corp in April 1994
and took on the name Netscape in November of the same year.

Read and weep http://www.jwz.org/gruntle/newsrelease1.html

You provided a citation. I am impressed.

After they wiped out the competition and acquired a dominate
position, yes.

Which doesn't mean anything by itself. If Netscape were
overcharging, Microsoft would have been able to gain market share
without illegally using its Windows monopoly.

 

[Jasen Betts]

["Followup-To:" header set to sci.electronics.basics.]

Again, over simplistic. It's not that building a pipeline is
not permitted, it that it's not permitted to build it the *way*
you guys want to do it. We *do* have environmental protection
rules up this way, and where we have them, we apply them.
Your shipping argument is totally off the wall and incorrect as
well. Never saw weather yet that could keep an oil tanker from
it's appointed rounds. Not even in the North Atlantic.

pack ice?

Bye.
Jasen

 

[John Doe]

The federal appeals court wrote:

"...we uphold the District Court's finding of monopoly power in its
entirety."

"...we reject Microsoft's argument that we should vacate the
District Court's Finding of Fact 159 as it relates to consumer
confusion."

"The District Court found that the restrictions Microsoft imposed in
licensing Windows to OEMs prevented many OEMs from distributing
browsers other than IE."

"By preventing OEMs from removing visible means of user access to
IE, the license restriction prevents many OEMs from pre-installing a
rival browser and, therefore, protects Microsoft's monopoly from the
competition that middleware might otherwise present. Therefore, we
conclude that the license restriction at issue is anticompetitive."

"These restrictions impose significant costs upon the OEMs; prior to
Microsoft's prohibiting the practice, many OEMs would change the
appearance of the desktop in ways they found beneficial. (March 1997
letter from Hewlett-Packard to Microsoft: "We are responsible for
the cost of technical support of our customers, including the 33% of
calls we get related to the lack of quality or confusion generated
by your product.... We must have more ability to decide how our
system is presented to our end users. If we had a choice of another
supplier, based on your actions in this area, you would not be our
supplier of choice.")."

"Microsoft's primary copyright argument borders upon the frivolous.
The company claims an absolute and unfettered right to use its
intellectual property as it wishes: "If intellectual property rights
have been lawfully acquired," it says, then "their subsequent
exercise cannot give rise to antitrust liability." That is no more
correct than the proposition that use of one's personal property,
such as a baseball bat, cannot give rise to tort liability."

"In sum, we hold that with the exception of the one restriction
prohibiting automatically launched alternative interfaces, all the
OEM license restrictions at issue represent uses of Microsoft's
market power to protect its monopoly, unredeemed by any legitimate
justification. The restrictions therefore violate section 2 of the
Sherman Act."