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Why aren't computer clocks as accurate as cheap quartz watches?

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Rich Grise

Not easy enough that I can arrest them for begging without feeling a
pang of conscience.

Hey, it's just as illegal for rich people to sleep under bridges as it
is for poor people.

:-/
Rich
 
R

Rich Grise

Michael A. Terrell wrote:


He should give a goddam sight more than he does. S.O.B. got
rich by stealing CP/M and rewriting it slightly and calling it
MS-DOS. Daddy was a big time lawyer and mommy was a big shit in
government so, true to the American way, Billy got his own way
and became very very rich. If some other poor S.O.B. off the
street tried it, they would probably throw him so deep in the
slammer they'd have to pump sunshine to him.

I guess *you'll* call that *free* enterprise.

Nah, it's just the ruling-class/peasant dichotomy, which Americans seem
to be really enamored of trying to convince themselves doesn't exist.

Wonder what Uncle Billy's paying for a blow job these days? ;-P

Thanks!
Rich
 
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Rich Grise

None of your business what he gives nor does it matter what you think he
'should'.


And CPM was 'stolen' from Digital Equipment Corp RT-11 right down to pip
but if you think MS-DOS looks like CPM then you never used CPM.

On the other hand one wonders how he ran the 'stolen' 8 bit 8080 CMP code
on 16 bit processors.

He didn't have to. IBM and Intel were kind enough to provide him with the
ever-popular 8088, which once they got the assembler written, could cross-
compile 8080 code and execute it. I once had an opportunity to play with
a very expensive S-100 computer that had both and 8085 and an 8088, and
could run the native code of each, but not simultaneously. I had some
great fun writing interprocess communications stuff in assembly code,
and trying to invent file locking on a "MP/M-8/16" OS. It was based on
CP/M, but was "multi-user", in that it supported several ASCII serial
terminals, but not "multi-user" in any real sense.

Anyway, at the time Intel came out with the 8088, everyone with half a
brain or more wondered, "If they're segmenting memory to get an effective
20-bit address, with two overlapping 16-bit address registers, why didn't
they just multiplex it to 32 x 16 right on the spot, and not worry about
"segmentation," but start right out with flat memory? There's really
no excuse for making a processor as crippled as an 8088, other than that
everybody already had an 8080, and all of the peripherals were 8 bits,
and the bus was 8 bits at the time; but why not just for the time being,
ignore the unused 8 bits on the 16-bit bus, go ahead and have 16-bit wide
memory on-board, and so on?

But nOOOOOooo! They graced us with the 8088 and all that has followed.

Oh, well - hindsight is always 20-20, and I think I have a ... Nah, lemme
check: Heh. AMD Athlon, but I have no idea if it's 16 or 32 bits - call it
a brain fart. Blame it on rant endorphins, thanks. :)
</rant>

Cheers!
Rich
 
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John Doe

Rich said:
Nah, it's just the ruling-class/peasant dichotomy, which Americans
seem to be really enamored of trying to convince themselves
doesn't exist.

It's easy enough to measure and often enough complained about here
in the United States.

Could be better if our big corporations would stop exporting jobs to
countries which are much more ruling-class/peasant based.
Wonder what Uncle Billy's paying for a blow job these days? ;-P

You can get more attention with that troll in a politics group.


Thanks!
Rich




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R

Rich Grise

I don't recall mentioning you. Hmm.


Do you find "dime-store" psychology to be complicated?

Bill Gates is no more a thief than any other corporate CEO. He
happens to be the founder of a very successful company, and the
founders of successful companies are routinely demonized, typically
without any rational basis for doing so.

I've heard him called a "brilliant opportunist", which, AFAIU,
means, "being in the right place at the right time and being
conscious/sober enough at the time to spot the goose that's laying
the golden egg".

I want to sell bumper stickers that say, "If you're so rich, howcome
you're not smart?" ;-)

Thanks!
Rich
 
P

Pig Bladder

Because you demonstrate the trait even in the denial of it.

Which trait is that? Being a thief? Please show us an example of this
alleged "demonstration".

You certainly are showing a lot of the symptoms of this "denial" you so
glibly bandy about, however.
 
R

Rich The Philosophizer

... Lawd hep us!!

He wants to, but it seems very, very few people are willing to relax
their brain-lock enough to accept it in the form it's currently being
offered.
 
R

Rich Grise, but drunk

I hate mice. I hate graphics tablets worse, and I hate trackballs only
marginally less than I hate mice, but I hate mice with a passion.

I am to pointing devices what Yosemite Sam is to rabbits.

What? You try to cheat them at poker?

Could you be thinking of Elmer Fudd?

Thnaks!
Rich
 
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David Maynard

Rich said:
He didn't have to. IBM and Intel were kind enough to provide him with the
ever-popular 8088, which once they got the assembler written, could cross-
compile 8080 code and execute it.

It's really a moot point as Microsoft bought QDOS to make PC-DOS for IBM.
 
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David Maynard

Rich said:
I've heard him called a "brilliant opportunist", which, AFAIU,
means, "being in the right place at the right time and being
conscious/sober enough at the time to spot the goose that's laying
the golden egg".

There's certainly something to be said for having the snap to recognize a
golden opportunity. Remember, IBM wanted to use CPM and went to Digital
Research FIRST.
I want to sell bumper stickers that say, "If you're so rich, howcome
you're not smart?" ;-)

Reminds me of an old commercial with a rich fellow in his limo clipping
coupons and a startled bystander exclaims "as rich as you are you clip
coupons?" and the rich dude replies "how do you think I got to be so rich?"
 
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David Maynard

Pig said:
Which trait is that? Being a thief? Please show us an example of this
alleged "demonstration".

I never said a thing about anyone being a thief so your request is nonsensical.

You certainly are showing a lot of the symptoms of this "denial" you so
glibly bandy about, however.

Name one.
 
D

David Maynard

Gary said:
David Maynard wrote:

<SNIP>

This is obviously going nowhere. You have your opinion, I have mine.
Hmmm, strange huh? Just like two nations. :)

As with them, discussions are sometimes useless.

It is true that discussions usually go no where when one, or both, simply
throw 'opinions' around. That's why I provide the logic and reasoning, so
it isn't 'just an opinion'.

That, of course, doesn't work either if one clings to 'opinions' regardless
of logic or reasoning.
 
M

Mxsmanic

Rich said:
I've heard him called a "brilliant opportunist", which, AFAIU,
means, "being in the right place at the right time and being
conscious/sober enough at the time to spot the goose that's laying
the golden egg".

Many successful people owe their success in some measure to simple
luck, but the suggestion that their success is _entirely_ due to luck
is almost always an extreme exaggeration, as it is here.
 
M

Mxsmanic

Rich said:
Anyway, at the time Intel came out with the 8088, everyone with half a
brain or more wondered, "If they're segmenting memory to get an effective
20-bit address, with two overlapping 16-bit address registers, why didn't
they just multiplex it to 32 x 16 right on the spot, and not worry about
"segmentation," but start right out with flat memory? There's really
no excuse for making a processor as crippled as an 8088, other than that
everybody already had an 8080, and all of the peripherals were 8 bits,
and the bus was 8 bits at the time; but why not just for the time being,
ignore the unused 8 bits on the 16-bit bus, go ahead and have 16-bit wide
memory on-board, and so on?

Engineers always make mistakes with addressing; there is probably no
other aspect of computer engineering that is as consistently the
source of serious design errors as addressing. Yes, the engineers
could have planned ahead ... but they never do.
 
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Michael A. Terrell

John said:
Maybe you should write an autobiography, elsewhere.


The ISS has a 20 MHZ bandwidth KU-Band data link to and from the
ground.


Do you know who built the equipment, and where? Also, if they had
waited about a year to order the equipment they would have had the
option for 40 Mhz bandwidth. Unfortunatly, that equipment line was
dropped when our company was bought and shut down to get our newest
design. That receiver uses a variant of the MC68020 with a custom
realtime OS.
See if you can focus all that bandwidth on the current topic.


That suggests you are all knowing about picking parts for,
assembling, booting, and configuring a personal computer (and maybe
every other subject you discuss), but only in your head.


Whatever you want to believe, but my test stamp is on a number of
circuit boards in the custom 700 series reciever aboard the ISS.
 
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Gary H

David said:
It is true that discussions usually go no where when one, or both,
simply throw 'opinions' around. That's why I provide the logic and
reasoning, so it isn't 'just an opinion'.

That, of course, doesn't work either if one clings to 'opinions'
regardless of logic or reasoning.


Sir, you supply *nothing* to these discussions except the same
old tired rhetoric, time after time, post after post. You
"seem" as though you don't live in the real world at all. All
you ever offer the other side of a discussion are your points of
view while trying to the discredit the other party with
accusations of paranoia, flawed logic, being a whiner,
irrational, conspiracy buff and so on and so on.
You take a totally off-hand discussion of views, on a given
subject, and turn it into a personal thing where you try to
discredit a point of view with personal slurs. Then you have
the audacity to say?

*When attempting to work with someone else it's never 'all' one
or the other and that you seem to think so is likely one of the
problems.*

I didn't say that and I don't even believe that.
I would think *that* would likely be *your* major problem though
because, as I see it, some of the things I said were "spot-on"
and some of the things you said were "spot-on". However, you
have indicated clearly, on more than one occasion, that you
believe you were *absolutely correct* and I was *absolutely
incorrect*.

Man, you have no idea what debate or discussion is. I *could*
play your game.
I could be saying I think you're nothing but a goddam troll who
doesn't have a life who spends his time in the NGs looking for
arguments and trying to impress people with the thickness of his
black book of useless information. But I won't.
I could also say, I believe you're a condescending lecturer type
filled with a sense of wonder at what you perceive to be *your*
wealth of accumulated knowledge and wisdom. But I won't.

Anyone, including me, can play that stupidly useless "personal
card" as well. Useless because, as I said somewhere far back in
these bullshit meanderings, I don't know you, I don't know
anything about you, not what your life is and sure as hell not
what your knowledge base or acquired level of wisdom is. So,
how can I, in good conscience, make personal remarks and/or
observations about you without, "logically" (a word you like to
use a lot) having those facts. I can't.

One thing I am sure of though and that is the fact that you're
one of the nastiest assholes I've ever been unfortunate enough
to come across. Further communication between us is definitely
*not* in the cards.

Have a good "Holiday season"
 
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Ed Medlin

Gary H said:
Sir, you supply *nothing* to these discussions except the same old tired
rhetoric, time after time, post after post. You "seem" as though you
don't live in the real world at all. All you ever offer the other side of
a discussion are your points of view while trying to the discredit the
other party with accusations of paranoia, flawed logic, being a whiner,
irrational, conspiracy buff and so on and so on.
You take a totally off-hand discussion of views, on a given subject, and
turn it into a personal thing where you try to discredit a point of view
with personal slurs. Then you have the audacity to say?

*When attempting to work with someone else it's never 'all' one or the
other and that you seem to think so is likely one of the problems.*

I didn't say that and I don't even believe that.
I would think *that* would likely be *your* major problem though because,
as I see it, some of the things I said were "spot-on" and some of the
things you said were "spot-on". However, you have indicated clearly, on
more than one occasion, that you believe you were *absolutely correct*
and I was *absolutely incorrect*.

Man, you have no idea what debate or discussion is. I *could* play your
game.
I could be saying I think you're nothing but a goddam troll who doesn't
have a life who spends his time in the NGs looking for arguments and
trying to impress people with the thickness of his black book of useless
information. But I won't.
I could also say, I believe you're a condescending lecturer type filled
with a sense of wonder at what you perceive to be *your* wealth of
accumulated knowledge and wisdom. But I won't.

Anyone, including me, can play that stupidly useless "personal card" as
well. Useless because, as I said somewhere far back in these bullshit
meanderings, I don't know you, I don't know anything about you, not what
your life is and sure as hell not what your knowledge base or acquired
level of wisdom is. So, how can I, in good conscience, make personal
remarks and/or observations about you without, "logically" (a word you
like to use a lot) having those facts. I can't.

One thing I am sure of though and that is the fact that you're one of the
nastiest assholes I've ever been unfortunate enough to come across.
Further communication between us is definitely *not* in the cards.

Have a good "Holiday season"

And "Merry Christmas" to you Gary. When talking pipelines in and
through Canada, you have to take into consideration that your economy needs
to continue to be the largest oil supplier to the US. Many people don't know
that you ARE the largest importer of oil we currently have. US companies DO
purchase your oil, but by no means OWN it. Your producers do. Any pipeline
from Alaska or anywhere is a positive for your economy by giving another
conduit for shipping your petroleum to the US or to ports to export
elsewhere.
You may disagree with David but your insults about him could not be
further from the truth. It is you that just cannot stand to have someone
that doesn't agree with you. You have this built-in hate for large
corporations like Microsoft and oil companies that no one is going to change
and you can only respond to others with insults and unsubstantiated "facts".
You seem unable to accept that there are a lot of positives and not just
negatives in respect to these companies being successful.

Ed
 
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Gary H

Ed Medlin wrote:

And "Merry Christmas" to you Gary.

You will note that I said "Have a good holiday season" That is
because I am not Christian and I do not celebrate "Christmas".
But, thank you anyway. :)

When talking pipelines in and
through Canada, you have to take into consideration that your economy needs
to continue to be the largest oil supplier to the US. Many people don't know
that you ARE the largest importer of oil we currently have.

I'm sure you mean Canada is the largest exporter of petroleum
products to the US. And, hopefully we will continue to be.
Only however, if environmental and native concerns are properly
considered and protected.
That's my belief, not necessarily the way it will be. If it's
not? Then I have the right to express my concerns without being
labeled paranoid and a conspiracy buff.

US companies DO
purchase your oil, but by no means OWN it. Your producers do. Any pipeline
from Alaska or anywhere is a positive for your economy by giving another
conduit for shipping your petroleum to the US or to ports to export
elsewhere.

Please read the full thread. When discussing the Alaska Gas
Pipeline, the discussion revolved around environmental concerns,
not dollars and the economy.
You may disagree with David but your insults about him could not be
further from the truth. It is you that just cannot stand to have someone
that doesn't agree with you.

My "insults" were rhetorical comments showing that I didn't have
the right to insult. Please observe context when reading the
material. My command of English may not be the best but I give
it my best shot.

My "nastiest asshole" comment *was* a genuine remark.

You have this built-in hate for large
corporations like Microsoft and oil companies that no one is going to change
and you can only respond to others with insults and unsubstantiated "facts".
You seem unable to accept that there are a lot of positives and not just
negatives in respect to these companies being successful.

I have no hate for anything or anyone, built-in or otherwise.
But, I do feel there is something wrong in the system and if
folks think that sounds paranoid, then so be it. It's called an
honest opinion based on observation (subjective I think they
call it), not a fact, unsubstantiated or otherwise and it
certainly is not paranoia.
 
J

John Doe

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John said:
Maybe you should write an autobiography, elsewhere.


The ISS has a 20 MHZ bandwidth KU-Band data link to and from the
ground.


Do you know who built the equipment, and where? Also, if they had
waited about a year to order the equipment they would have had the
option for 40 Mhz bandwidth. Unfortunatly, that equipment line was
dropped when our company was bought and shut down to get our newest
design. That receiver uses a variant of the MC68020 with a custom
realtime OS.
See if you can focus all that bandwidth on the current topic.


That suggests you are all knowing about picking parts for,
assembling, booting, and configuring a personal computer (and maybe
every other subject you discuss), but only in your head.


Whatever you want to believe, but my test stamp is on a number of
circuit boards in the custom 700 series reciever aboard the ISS.



--
Been there, Done that, I've got my DD214 to prove it.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
 
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Rich Grise

Rich Grise <eatmyshorts doubleclick.net> wrote:

You can get more attention with that troll in a politics group.

You're right, I shouldn't have posted that crap to s.e.basics.

My apologies.

Thanks,
Rich
 
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