the 100W bulb lives on....

[Don Klipstein]

[email protected] wrote in

I don't know,they were in the apartment when I moved in.

OK...

Maybe they were like the ones I found in my most recent 2 apartments.
I save them to put back in when I move out.

Namely, 130V 60W, often 3500-hour, with nominal light output sometimes
stated as around 600 lumens. My experience is that these at 120V only
barely squeak past the light output of 1,000-hour-rated 40W incandescents.

And, I use some 9W CFLs that get close-enough in light output to those,
along with some 13W CFLs that are noticeably greater in light output -
and lasting on-average in my experience 4,000-plus to 5,000 hours,
improving as the years go by, so-far...

130V 60W incandescent at 120V consumes 54 watts...

I save at least 41 watts by replacing each with CFL, and at USA-average
residential electricity price of $.11-plus per KWH this means $18-plus
electricity savings in 4,000 hours from purchase of a $5-or-less bulb.

At that rate, I don't care if incandescents are free or lifetime-
guaranteed or even both - incandescents cost me more for "general
lighting" at USA national average electricity cost, let alone mine in
the Philadelphia/NYC/Chicago metropolitan areas class.

 

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I had a 1200W floor lamp once- the idea was to project all the light
onto the ceiling and bounce it back onto the room over a much greater
area- it was from the 1940s.

I had a couple of halogen torchiers I bought within the last 10 years. I
threw them out not because I didn't like them (loved 'em) but because they
fell apart.

 

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Although there are some exceptions, and I have a a recent fixture rated
for 150W incandescents, my experience is that most fixtures typically
taking non-reflectorized medium-screw-base bulbs are rated for 60W max.
incandescent.

The main exceptions in my experience are torchiere-style floor lamps
and base-down non-enclosed table lamps.

Floor lamps but not torchiers. They're tiffany style shaded. I had 1000W
torchiers up until our big move.

 

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Yes, you are right, but I see 1 watt LEDs on ebay for around $1 each,
so you could make a 10 watt unit (60 watt equivalent) for maybe $10
plus time to do it.

Do you really get 70 lm/W LEDs for $1 ?

If you intend to build these into the same space as the 60 W bulb, you
are going to have severe heat transfer problems. Quite possibly
needing aluminum based PCBs etc. connected to heat sinks.

Without handling the heat issue properly, you end up with a LED lamp
design that does not even last as long as the ordinary incandescent
bulb .

 

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Back in my old house in Irvine, we had two fancy carriage type lamps
beside the garage door. They were on a photcell to come on and off
during the night. The HOA required you to keed them lit, and would
fine you if one was out too long, They were the only street lighting
away from the corners.

Did that requirement also specify how many lumens had to be emitted ?

I have used a 2 W LED bulb in a street number cube that has now been
constantly on for more than two years, surviving two cold winters and
two hot summers. While the ground illumination is quite minuscule, it
is enough to avoid any obstacles.

 

[Les Cargill]

On Jul 16, 10:58 pm, Phil Hobbs

Liberty is nice, but we are entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit
of happiness - not just one of the three - and unrestrained
anthropogenic global warming does threaten the lives of at least some
of our descendants,

Crimping people's collective financial style has produced more
deaths than any other form of error so far. Developing strategies
that *don't* significantly reduce people's financial options
with respect to global warming simply hasn't happened yet.

This assuming that we can do anything about it in the
first place.

One thing that is also never said - ever - fossil
fuels are our collective solution to the problem of slavery.
Either replace them with proper generating technologies or we
will be forced to revert to slavery. Indeed, what's proposed
as curtailment can easily be confused *for* slavery.

And a replacement hasn't happened, either.

and would severely crimp their pursuit of
happiness.

We don't even know what that means. Had you shown my grandparents
a child thumbing text messages on a cell phone, they'd have put the
kid in a home.

Our father's generation were conscripted to fight wars in
foreign lands, which was a rather more drastic curtailment of their
liberty in pursuit of what might be seems as a more "trivial" goal.

That doesn't make it right. WWII and to a lesser extent WWI were
prime examples of mismanagement of the economy.

http://www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/5536

WWI was due to Bismarck's use of the Franco-Prussian War to
unify a Germany out of the crazy quilt as much as anything else.

Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan didn't offer the kind of people we'd
willingly import to reshape our societies, but their ministrations
weren't likely to have lead to the kind of general population crash
which unrestrained anthropogenic global warming could provoke.

We're at the threshold of a population crash *now*. I thought
that was generally considered a good thing...

 

[John S]

Also, the hood light tends to be on longer.

Considerably longer, true.

I guess I am really asking if the 40W appliance bulbs will be legislated
off the market very soon.

John

 

[John S]

Meanwhile, the term "great room" has meaning.

Is that what we used to call the "Living Room" not so long ago?

 

[John S]

I disagree with your philosophy. It is not the place of government
to discourage people from wasting money. It is their money, they
should be able to waste it if they want to.

Dan

The government doesn't discourage people from wasting their money.
Haven't you heard of the lottery?

John

 

[Don Klipstein]

I guess I am really asking if the 40W appliance bulbs will be legislated
off the market very soon.

These are unaffected by the ban scheduled to take effect in phases
from 2012-2014. Specific exemptions include:

* Appliance bulbs up to and including 40 watts

* Tubular bulbs 10 inches long or shorter are exempt if not over 40 watts
(Tubular incandescents more than 10 inches long are exempt regardless
of wattage.)

In any case, the ban does not apply to non-exempt 40-watters until the
beginning of 2014.

 

[John S]

These are unaffected by the ban scheduled to take effect in phases
from 2012-2014. Specific exemptions include:

* Appliance bulbs up to and including 40 watts

* Tubular bulbs 10 inches long or shorter are exempt if not over 40 watts
(Tubular incandescents more than 10 inches long are exempt regardless
of wattage.)

In any case, the ban does not apply to non-exempt 40-watters until the
beginning of 2014.

Thanks. I read your stuff, but I guess I missed it.

 

[John S]

These are unaffected by the ban scheduled to take effect in phases
from 2012-2014. Specific exemptions include:

* Appliance bulbs up to and including 40 watts

* Tubular bulbs 10 inches long or shorter are exempt if not over 40 watts
(Tubular incandescents more than 10 inches long are exempt regardless
of wattage.)

In any case, the ban does not apply to non-exempt 40-watters until the
beginning of 2014.

When the time comes, they're gonna have a problem getting CFLs to
survive in my oven at 450F.

 

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Is that what we used to call the "Living Room" not so long ago?

No, it's a lot more than a "living room", though includes that space. It also
normally includes the kitchen and some sort of dining area, (in our case a
breakfast area with a more-or-less separate formal dining room). It's more of
an open-plan than individual rooms. They usually have vaulted ceilings (more
to piss off the lefties), as well.

 

[John S]

There's no doubt that we could do something about it. Jared Diamond's
"Collapse" makes the point that community leaders in the past have
ignored similar threats and "continued to fiddle while Rome burned"
and that certainly seems to be going on at the moment.

Yes, Bill. You are fiddling.

By "We" I assume you mean everyone except you. If I am wrong about that,
then please get a position of importance and enact laws, petition your
representatives, do your voting thing, make waves in the
media...something other than spewing you stuff in a forum where it only
creates arguments. Your voice is wasted here and, if you are
intelligent, you know that.

 

[[email protected]]

The government doesn't discourage people from wasting their money.
Haven't you heard of the lottery?

What's wrong with voluntary taxation?

 

[John S]

What's wrong with voluntary taxation?

Wat the 'ell is that?

 

[John S]

No, it's a lot more than a "living room", though includes that space. It also
normally includes the kitchen and some sort of dining area, (in our case a
breakfast area with a more-or-less separate formal dining room). It's more of
an open-plan than individual rooms. They usually have vaulted ceilings (more
to piss off the lefties), as well.

I don't know about "lefties", what ever they are (I assume it is a
political tag with which I am unfamiliar), but I have a mobile home with
such an arrangement. The dining, breakfast, living, kitchen areas are
all in such a combined "room". The bathrooms and bedrooms are separate.

Is that what you mean?

 

[[email protected]]

I don't know about "lefties", what ever they are (I assume it is a
political tag with which I am unfamiliar), but I have a mobile home with
such an arrangement. The dining, breakfast, living, kitchen areas are
all in such a combined "room". The bathrooms and bedrooms are separate.

Is that what you mean?

Pretty much, but about 1000-1500 sq.ft. with 20' ceilings (except the kitchen
is 9').

 

[[email protected]]

Wat the 'ell is that?

Are lotteries mandatory? They are a tax (on the stupid).

 

[John S]

Pretty much, but about 1000-1500 sq.ft. with 20' ceilings (except the kitchen
is 9').

Oh, well, no way do I have a "great room". The entire mobile home is
only 14x70. But, I guess that it is the greatest area in the MH.

Thanks and Cheers,
John S