the 100W bulb lives on....

[Rich Grise]

Right, anything except the useful ones. You uebermenschen are soooo
merciful to us poor benighted slobs.

Oh, but you see, it's "For Your Own Good."
</sarcasm>

Thanks,
Rich

 

[John S]

It's simple, but it falls down because most people want to buy what
they bought last time.

If you want to discourage people from wasting money and power by
buying filament bulbs you've either got to raise the price enough for
them to notice - and filament bulbs are cheap enough that this would
just create a smuggling business, or ban them.

Face it. Sometimes you need to get people to behave differently.

Bill, you're trying to push a rope.

 

[Rich Grise]

On Jul 15, 2:34 pm, Phil Hobbs

Right. No compulsory re-education camps to get you up to speed on the
subjects you are pontificating about ...

Do you mean like the ones you've attended?

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Don Klipstein]

[email protected] (Don Klipstein) wrote in



Yes,so what? they last a long time,so you aren't replacing them often,and
that matters when such filament bulbs are becoming rarer.
So what if they have a slightly reduced light output.I don't even care
about their lower efficiency.

how many households have 130VAC supplied to them? Not many.

BTW,I have one contractor bulb in my apartment that has lasted for 25
years,daily,frequent use(bathroom,no dimmer),and another lasted 16 years.

No answer as to which 130V version? Since I mention the differing-from-
each-other 120V performances of 3 common 130V 100W versions, with a 1:38
to 1 range of light output and efficiency at 120V, and a 4-plus-to-one
range in life expectancy at 120V, I think it's relevant to ask which one
you were referring to.

 

[Don Klipstein]

In <4b53d0e2-3055-45aa-a4de-1935142c4459@w24g2000yqw.googlegroups.com>,

Small incandescents also make excellent almost-constant current
limiters for LED flashlights. They're far, far superior to the usual
dropping resistor.

The dropping resistor overloads the LEDs when the batteries are fresh,
quickly chewing up the batteries and LEDs, then output drops
dramatically and the darn things are dim.

An incandescent in the path gives nearly flat output that falls off
gracefully, is easy on all the parts, and gives more hours of usable
light per set of batteries.

The bulb barely glows, so it'll last forever (or until dropped).

All of these incandescent applications look like ones already typically
served by incandescents that are exempt from the upcoming ban.

 

[Don Klipstein]

Back in my old house in Irvine, we had two fancy carriage type lamps
beside the garage door. They were on a photcell to come on and off
during the night. The HOA required you to keed them lit, and would
fine you if one was out too long, They were the only street lighting
away from the corners.

So, we all kept trying to find less expensive, longer lived bulbs, but
CFLs usually didn't do very well. The photocells tended to not be a
smooth on/off, but tended to cycle back and forth a few times. All
those quck switchings usually killed a CFL within a week...

Get any of these:

* An incandescent not affected by the ban, such as 40W flame shape, or
a halogen having enough energy efficiency to escape the ban on that
basis (such as 2 Philips and 4 GE models that I am aware of).

* An LED bulb, if it is rated for dimmers or photocells.

* A cold cathode CFL. They are a little less efficient than the
usual hot cathode ones, but they last longer, suffer essentially
zero wear from starting, and most are rated for dimmers - which means
OK for electronic switching.
Did I say essentially zero wear from starting? These are even used
for marquee lights in Las Vegas!
I only seem them in brick-and-mortar stores up to 3 or 4 watts
so far, but online sellers have them up to at least 8 watts.

 

[John S]

Get any of these:

* An incandescent not affected by the ban, such as 40W flame shape, or
a halogen having enough energy efficiency to escape the ban on that
basis (such as 2 Philips and 4 GE models that I am aware of).

* An LED bulb, if it is rated for dimmers or photocells.

* A cold cathode CFL. They are a little less efficient than the
usual hot cathode ones, but they last longer, suffer essentially
zero wear from starting, and most are rated for dimmers - which means
OK for electronic switching.
Did I say essentially zero wear from starting? These are even used
for marquee lights in Las Vegas!
I only seem them in brick-and-mortar stores up to 3 or 4 watts
so far, but online sellers have them up to at least 8 watts.

What about those 40W appliance bulbs? In refrigerators, they last a long
time. In the ventilation hoods, not so long.

 

[John S]

They vibrate more in a range hood.

Really? Why?

 

[[email protected]]

The Lumen Nazis, of course.

The sick sort.

 

[[email protected]]

Right- it's hard to find a fixture rated for more than 60W these days,
and actually for the last couple of decades- and even then they run
too hot to touch at that dissipation.

Hmm, we have a couple of 150W lamps, we bought last year, in the great room.
There goes that theory too.

 

[John S]

I did not write the following:
they are a few inches from a cheap indution motor driven fan, and
the socked is mounted on a cheap snap made of spring steel. Haven't you
ever installed one, or even looked at one? You can feel the vibration if
you touch the hood, and you can hear it, if you aren't deaf.

Also, the hood light tends to be on longer.

Fine. Except my hood has not had a fan for the last 30 years.

 

[[email protected]]

They want everyone to be in the dark, like them.

No, they what everyone *else* to be in the dark. Note that Slowman won't even
follow his prescription for the rest of us "common folk". What the ill
lumin-nazis cannot understand is that they'll be in the cars at the front of
the train.

 

[[email protected]]

You're just flushing money down the toilet- that's one approach...

Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about; common affliction for
lefties.

 

[hamilton]

I was planing on using an existing table lamp with the parts mounted
inside the head of the lamp. Used table lamps are about $2 each at

OK, thats one.

 

[hamilton]

Really? Why?

Huh, fan.

 

[[email protected]]

Doesn't everyone just love these pseudo-sophisticates, I wouldn't
insult a 3rd grader by comparing their reading and writing ability.

Don't you just love the lefties telling everyone else how to live their lives?

And this "great" room thing- a modern factition and rib splitting
laughable farce to anyone with even a cursory knowledge of the
evolution of modern interior design- elicits memories of the medieval
household where the "great" room was the "only' room- for a large
extended family ( of destitute illiterate peasants) who all ate,
pooped, and procreated together in one large hovel called the great
room...seriously laughable but suitable for most.

I'm glad you were able to laugh today. That must make, what, a year in
between smiles?

Meanwhile, the term "great room" has meaning. Sorry if you're too dumb to get
it.

 

[Don Klipstein]

What about those 40W appliance bulbs? In refrigerators, they last a long
time. In the ventilation hoods, not so long.

My guess is that these will hold up in
blinked-a-few/several-times-per-daily-start applications.

And, they are exempt from the upcoming ban.

 

[Don Klipstein]

I did not write the following:
they are a few inches from a cheap indution motor driven fan, and
the socked is mounted on a cheap snap made of spring steel. Haven't you
ever installed one, or even looked at one? You can feel the vibration if
you touch the hood, and you can hear it, if you aren't deaf.

Fine. Except my hood has not had a fan for the last 30 years.

I am aware of applicance bulbs, especially refrigerator ones, designed
to have life expectancy of only 500 hours at 120V.

Also, many applicance bulbs are low-bid-of-China ones. Even 12-15 years
ago, dollar stores and "discount stores" had these - and my experience
was noticeably disappointingly short life. I do not know whether these
got better since.

(Then again, my experience is that "dollar store CFLs" from most dollar
stores other than Dollar Tree mostly rose only slightly in the past nearly
decade that they were available - and not out of the "stool specimen" range
of levels.)

 

[Don Klipstein]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 06:43:18 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs


Hmm, we have a couple of 150W lamps, we bought last year, in the
great room. There goes that theory too.

Although there are some exceptions, and I have a a recent fixture rated
for 150W incandescents, my experience is that most fixtures typically
taking non-reflectorized medium-screw-base bulbs are rated for 60W max.
incandescent.

The main exceptions in my experience are floor lamps and base-down
non-enclosed table lamps.

 

[Don Klipstein]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 06:43:18 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs


Hmm, we have a couple of 150W lamps, we bought last year, in the
great room. There goes that theory too.

Although there are some exceptions, and I have a a recent fixture rated
for 150W incandescents, my experience is that most fixtures typically
taking non-reflectorized medium-screw-base bulbs are rated for 60W max.
incandescent.

The main exceptions in my experience are torchiere-style floor lamps
and base-down non-enclosed table lamps.