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[Robert L Bass]

Hmm. Soliciting another bogus complaint, eh Mugford? You really aught to check Florida's rules for employees. I never filed a
formal complaint against anyone yet, but perhaps it's time to deal with you.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Bass Home Electronics
941-866-1100
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
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[Norm Mugford]

Mr. BAss wrote:

"I never filed a formal complaint against anyone yet,
but perhaps it's time to deal with you".

You Lie, You Lie, You Lie!!!!
You've filed several Mr. BAss....

I welcome your complaint Mr. BAss.

Norm Mugford

 

[Stanley Barthfarkle]

I know you idiots like to pretend it had
something to do with Mugford's pals'
bogus complaint but that's just bullshit
and you know it. The agent concluded
that my business was and is fully
compliant with Florida law and that was
the end of it. Had he found otherwise,
Mugford would have been hopping around
boasting about it like Jiminex in a new
rowboat.

Why not just get fully licensed in Florida? Is there something preventing
you from becoming a fully licensed alarm professional? What would that be?

 

[Stanley Barthfarkle]

So I'm kinda "fuzzy" about the difference between offering monitoring
services in which you were named the "Dealer" and activating a cellular
communicator which also requires your registration as the "servicing
Dealer". In an earlier post you'd stated that you couldn't provide "on
site" help to a DIY that purchased product from you and who may just live
"down the road" from you because that would be construed as "service" (and
technically require licensure under Florida's Statutes). I don't see the
difference between providing this "service" either "in person" or over the
phone. The Florida Statute is full of such loopholes though, and I think
it's only a matter of time before they're going to limit your "services"
to simple sale of product.

In our state (Illinois) everyone "in the trade" must be licensed by the
Dept. of Professional Regulation, including "online sellers". Isn't it
ironic that he (and his Liberal views) had to run away from a Democrat state
to set up shop in a Republican state in order to conduct business without
excessive government oversight and regulation. In our highly Democrat state
(blame Chicago) he couldn't sell squat.

 

[Norm Mugford]

Stanley....I'm sure he doesn't tell his DIY'ers in Illinois
that he is not licensed to sell in that area of the
country, even if it's only "on line sales".

Norm Mugford

In our state (Illinois) everyone "in the trade" must be licensed by the
Dept. of Professional Regulation, including "online sellers". Isn't it
ironic that he (and his Liberal views) had to run away from a Democrat
state to set up shop in a Republican state in order to conduct business
without excessive government oversight and regulation. In our highly
Democrat state (blame Chicago) he couldn't sell squat.

I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html

 

[Robert L Bass]

Why not just get fully licensed in Florida?

If I wanted to install alarms for a living I would take the test and get the license. Since I only sell online there is no reason
to be licensed. Furthermore, the license app states that the applicant intends to engage in the covered work within (I forget the
number of) days upon receiving the license. I have no intention of going back to installing alarms. I couldn't take the pay cut.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Bass Home Electronics
941-866-1100
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
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[Robert L Bass]

In our state (Illinois) everyone "in the trade" must be licensed by the Dept. of Professional Regulation, including "online

sellers". Isn't it ironic that he (and his Liberal views) had to run away from a Democrat state to set up shop in a Republican
state in order to conduct business without excessive government oversight and regulation. In our highly Democrat state (blame
Chicago) he couldn't sell squat.

You're either extremely ill informed about your state laws concerning your own profession, a liar or both. My bet is it's both.

According to Illinois Public Law:
"PROFESSIONS AND OCCUPATIONS (225 ILCS 447/) Private Detective, Private Alarm, Private Security, and Locksmith Act of 2004.
(225 ILCS 447/Art. 5 heading) ARTICLE 5. GENERAL PROVISIONS."

"Private alarm contractor" does not include a person, firm, or corporation that manufactures or sells alarm systems only from its
place of business and does not sell, install, monitor, maintain, alter, repair, replace, service, or respond to alarm systems at
protected premises or premises to be protected."

This clearly exempts retailers, online or otherwise, from license requirements. The Illinoin legislature obviously has the same
attitude about this as does virtually every other state legislature -- contractor licenses are for those who go out and install
stuff.

BTW, since I never lived in Illinois, you saying I "ran away" from there is... a lie. Then again, no one expected any better from
you.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Bass Home Electronics
941-866-1100
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>

 

[Robert L Bass]

Stanley....I'm sure he doesn't tell his DIY'ers in Illinois

that he is not licensed to sell in that area of the
country, even if it's only "on line sales".

No one is "licensed to sell" alarms in Illinois, you idiot. Illinois issues licenses to people and companies that install alarms --
not people and companies that sell online.

 

[Carnival Midway Hawker]

You're either extremely ill informed about your state laws concerning your own profession, a liar or both. My bet is it's both.

My bet is that he knows what he's talking about.

According to Illinois Public Law:
"PROFESSIONS AND OCCUPATIONS (225 ILCS 447/) Private Detective, Private Alarm, Private Security, and Locksmith Act of 2004.
(225 ILCS 447/Art. 5 heading) ARTICLE 5. GENERAL PROVISIONS."

"Private alarm contractor" does not include a person, firm, or corporation that manufactures or sells alarm systems only from its
place of business and does not sell, install, monitor, maintain, alter, repair, replace, service, or respond to alarm systems at
protected premises or premises to be protected."

This clearly exempts retailers, online or otherwise, from license requirements. The Illinoin legislature obviously has the same
attitude about this as does virtually every other state legislature -- contractor licenses are for those who go out and install
stuff.

But there is a problem here, Mr Ass. See the stuff about:

1> "monitor" (which you admit to by activating cell communicators)
2> "service", "alter" (which you admit to performing by remote
programming)

BTW, since I never lived in Illinois, you saying I "ran away" from there is... a lie. Then again, no one expected any better from
you.

He said you ran away from a blue state that is implied as
Connecticut.



What makes you think you can do whatever you want with complete
disregard of the law in the jurisdiction? If a jurisdiction requires
the "monitor" or "alterer" or "servicer" to be licensed than you have
to be. Norco alarms or Home Security Source (for example) do not
engage in this type of activity that you insist on providing,
illegally. It doesn't matter where "you" live, asshole... What
matters is where the service is being provided and for whom.

 

[Stanley Barthfarkle]

No one is "licensed to sell" alarms in Illinois, you idiot. Illinois
issues licenses to people and companies that install alarms -- not people
and companies that sell online.

The Illinois Department of Professional Regulation would beg to differ. They
make no distinction insofar as alarm sales goes, between an installation
company and an equipment reseller. All must be licensed by DPR, complete
with background checks, etc.

Of course, they only regulate people selling from within the state. You
really should check your facts before calling someone an idiot.... you just
look foolish and angry.

 

[Stanley Barthfarkle]

He said you ran away from a blue state that is implied as
Connecticut.



What makes you think you can do whatever you want with complete
disregard of the law in the jurisdiction? If a jurisdiction requires
the "monitor" or "alterer" or "servicer" to be licensed than you have
to be. Norco alarms or Home Security Source (for example) do not
engage in this type of activity that you insist on providing,
illegally. It doesn't matter where "you" live, asshole... What
matters is where the service is being provided and for whom.

He must have found an outdated section, or amended it, because every single
wholesaler, online dealer, or service company that operates FROM here that
deals with security or fire alarm systems must have a DPR license. Call ADI
in Chicago and ask who holds theirs.

 

[spike]

If I wanted to install alarms for a living I would take the test and get
the license. Since I only sell online there is no reason to be licensed.
Furthermore, the license app states that the applicant intends to engage
in the covered work within (I forget the number of) days upon receiving
the license. I have no intention of going back to installing alarms. I
couldn't take the pay cut.

just think of all the parts you can "sell" if the world knew you had a
licensed professional as a member of Team Bass!

 

[Petem]

According to Illinois Public Law:
"PROFESSIONS AND OCCUPATIONS (225 ILCS 447/) Private Detective, Private
Alarm, Private Security, and Locksmith Act of 2004.
(225 ILCS 447/Art. 5 heading) ARTICLE 5. GENERAL PROVISIONS."

"Private alarm contractor" does not include a person, firm, or corporation
that manufactures or sells alarm systems only from its place of business
and does not sell, install, monitor, maintain, alter, repair, replace,
service, or respond to alarm systems at protected premises or premises to
be protected."

This clearly exempts retailers, online or otherwise, from license
requirements. The Illinoin legislature obviously has the same attitude
about this as does virtually every other state legislature -- contractor
licenses are for those who go out and install stuff.

Maybe my english is not good enough,or something else,but what i read in the
secound part of the quote is exactly what you do:

"and does not sell, install, monitor, maintain, alter, repair, replace,
service, or respond to alarm systems at protected premises or premises to be
protected."


If we read carefully,we see that to be exempt from the law someone should
not sell alarm system to a protected premises or to be protected promises...

your online activity,is exactly that..you sell to the owner of those
premises,when they are inside that premises(in front of there pc),and you
even send the stuff to the premises,you clearly are not exempt from that
law....

Oups!!!

 

[Petem]

You should read more carefully.

Bass never read carfully he allways asume that you type what he think you
wanted to type

I was speaking of the irony that you left your former state, Connecticut
( a Democrat state), for Florida (a Republican state) in order to operate
within the law.

No one said anything about you being in or operating from Illinois. If you
had been paying attention instead of in a huge hurry to argue in response,
you would have known that.

he cant pay attention,we are all just jealous of him...,so he thinks,so he
doesn't need to pay any attention to us..

 

[Frank Olson]

just think of all the parts you can "sell" if the world knew you had a
licensed professional as a member of Team Bass!

Gee. Do you think "Team Bass" "T" shirts come with the job?? Do they
come in "extra large"?

 

[Carnival Midway Hawker]

Gee. Do you think "Team Bass" "T" shirts come with the job?? Do they
come in "extra large"?

I fuckin' hope so because my fat ass wants to *represent*.


Go team Bass!

 

[Frank Olson]

Mr. BAss wrote:

"I never filed a formal complaint against anyone yet,
but perhaps it's time to deal with you".

You Lie, You Lie, You Lie!!!!
You've filed several Mr. BAss....

I welcome your complaint Mr. BAss.

Norm Mugford

None of the complaints Robert's filed were legit. They were based on
lies and "Italian condoms". The Attorney General's investigation
obviously didn't include his Dealer Accounts with Telguard, Honeywell,
Suregard and Uplink (either that or there was an oversight). The fact
that he sells these products is proof positive he's also providing the
service. Suregard "kicks back" 50% of the fee they charge for SkyRoute
to the servicing Dealer. In most cases the "servicing Dealer" collects
annual fees from the customer and pays them to the provider. You know
how this works.

Tom's right, Norm. Either shit or get off the pot.

 

[My nig]

None of the complaints Robert's filed were legit. They were based on
lies and "Italian condoms". The Attorney General's investigation
obviously didn't include his Dealer Accounts with Telguard, Honeywell,
Suregard and Uplink (either that or there was an oversight). The fact
that he sells these products is proof positive he's also providing the
service. Suregard "kicks back" 50% of the fee they charge for SkyRoute
to the servicing Dealer. In most cases the "servicing Dealer" collects
annual fees from the customer and pays them to the provider. You know
how this works.

Tom's right, Norm. Either shit or get off the pot.

Yeah.....

Didn't you just re-state the current allegation?

" The Attorney General's investigation obviously didn't include his
Dealer Accounts with Telguard, Honeywell, Suregard and Uplink (either
that or there was an oversight). The fact that he sells these
products is proof positive he's also providing the service"

Service and monitoring are activities that requires a licence.

Why is Norm "lame" for pursuing unlicensed activity? It seems he has
a duty to do so. **** Tom and what he thinks is "boring", there are
legitimate firms in FL that follow the rules and RLB should follow the
law too. There is no excuse for any firm to violate the regulations
passed down, boring to you or not.

 

[Doug]

Say's Frank from the next stall.


Doug

 

[Robert L Bass]

Cracker mumbled:

My bet is that he knows
what he's talking about.

Compared to you even Sabodish
would seem bright.

1> "monitor" (which you admit to by
activating cell communicators)

Activating a cell phone does not
constitute monitoring an alarm. Perhaps
it has escaped your attention
(considering your drug-induced haze,
most things do) but cell phone dealers
are not required to carry an alarm
license.

2> "service", "alter" (which you admit
to performing by remote programming)

You're igoring (verb form of "ignoralt")
the fact that the Illinois law specifiec
work done at the customer's premises.
They specifically exclude work done at
the company's office.

He said you ran away from a blue
state that is implied as Connecticut.

Actually, when I left CT there was a
Repugnican named John Rowland
residing in the governor's mansion.
He has since been errrm, relocated
by the federal authorities to a more
suitable residence in Danbury, CT.

What makes you think you can do
whatever you want with complete
disregard of the law in the
jurisdiction?

What makes you think...? Hmm, no.
Scratch that. Thinking isn't part of
your skill set.

If a jurisdiction requires the "monitor"
or "alterer" or "servicer" to be
licensed than you have to be...

If they did and I for some reason
wanted to live there I would. However,
I don't live in Illinois and even if I did
they still don't require a license to sell
online.

Norco alarms or Home Security
Source (for example) do not engage
in this type of activity...

I don't know either ot them well enough
to be sure that is true but if it is, I can't
help it if they don't provide any service.
Come to think of it, you don't know them
either.