Telular Telguard TG-1 & TG-4 Service Pricing

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Mark-

Sounds great - this is exactly what I'm looking for - full CID
reporting. I've read a posting from someone else who has the Uplink
AnyNet with the alarm service I'm looking to go with and they stated
they have full CID reporting working - so hopefully I shouldn't have a
problem getting everything to play together.

I still need to go through each of the zones in the panel and set them
up to make sure they're reporting correctly (I skipped through this
part since the system wasn't monitored yet anyway.)

Today, I talked to someone who I believe will help get me the Stealth
Labs GSM 1650 cellular link through a dealer. It's a fairly new unit
and my assumptions were right that it looks like most of their dealers
don't even know about it yet. I should hear more within a day or so on
the pricing and availability (doesn't matter if it takes a bit since I
still have a few more sensors to install in the house before I go about
activating the system anyway.)

Thanks.

 

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Mark-

For a Caddx NX-8E? If you haven't screwed with the reporting codes leave it
alone

I should have been more clear. I didn't mean the actual event code on
the zone, but the zone characteristics (Fire, 24-hour (non-fire),
Keyswitch, Delay, Follower, Interior, etc..)

I'm still in the process of adding more modules (I'm down to the next
to impossible to wire modules now! so I still haven't finished all
the programming yet. I'd like to do the program setup in one shot
verses messing with it every time I add in a new sensor.

Its going to be expensive like the old 1650

That's my thought too, but I'm hoping I might get a little "break" on
the price since the idea is to try to buy directly from the
distributor. I really hope this pans out, but we'll see though. I
probably should have at least inquired today what the suggested retail
pricing will be (completely forgot to ask.)

Either way on the cost, I'm out of ideas on how to get the Telguard to
be activated (no one I've talked to is interested in touching it), so
right now expensive or not I think this is my only option for GSM
cellular with CID reporting. At least there's a few options on alarm
monitoring services with the Uplink who will sign me up for service.

 

[Carnival Midway Hawker]

I'm out of ideas on how to get the Telguard to
be activated

Why don't you ask Robert Bass how he activates the ones he sells?

 

[spike]

Why don't you ask Robert Bass how he activates the ones he sells?

hehehe

 

[FIRETEK]

You can't be serious!!

 

[FIRETEK]

In other words you're providing "monitoring service" and "setup" for
customers purchasing Telguard, Uplink, and AlarmNet communicators. That
means you'd be deriving revenue (you call it RMR) from being a "Dealer".
Interesting.

 

[Frank Olson]

hehehe

I'm surprised he hasn't "offered to" already...

 

[Frank Olson]

In other words you're providing "monitoring service" and "setup" for
customers purchasing Telguard, Uplink, and AlarmNet communicators. That
means you'd be deriving revenue (you call it RMR) from being a "Dealer".
Interesting.

What's Bob Worthy's favourite phrase: Oh, yeah... "Click File Save".

 

[Frank Olson]

It was just a matter of time, Fowler gets a donation from RLB and now he's
all nicey nice and now Frank

I'm sending Robert's "donation" back. I figured there was something
fishy about it when it was delivered by a couple of guys wearing full
environmental suits driving a HAZMAT truck.

 

[Robert L Bass]

In other words you're providing "monitoring service"

Wrong again, Olson.

and "setup" for customers purchasing Telguard,
Uplink, and AlarmNet communicators. That
means you'd be deriving revenue (you call it
RMR) from being a "Dealer".

Nope. You're still wrong.

Interesting.

I'm not surprised.

 

[Carnival Midway Hawker]

I'm sending Robert's "donation" back. I figured there was something
fishy about it when it was delivered by a couple of guys wearing full
environmental suits driving a HAZMAT truck.

Anything postmarked from Sarasota should be treated as suspect. I
wouldn't put anything past him.

 

[Carnival Midway Hawker]

Correct, you aren't providing monitoring service however since you are
offering the devices for sale and are (I assume) activating the units then
you are a dealer for Telguard and offering their monitoring

And since Telguard 'forwards' the signals derived from the unit that
means RLB has a 3rd party regular monitoring service in his contract
(or so it would seem). The plot thickens.


Why is he wrong?

If you are the dealer then he is correct, even if you aren't you are in
effect an agent of that dealer

And on a side note it's interesting that the closer one gets to the truth
concerning you the less words you say in your defense

I shall call this phenomenon 'The Bass Effect"

I shall call his activities illegal, they are subject to Florida law
that requires alarm monitoring resellers to be licensed.

Norm Mugford - do you agree?

A perfect 3 word example! Huzzah!

It's really a four word example. Conjunctions count as two words.

 

[Carnival Midway Hawker]

Thats a good point, he sells them therfore he must be able to activate them
and we all know how supportive he is of DIY'ers

Seems our friend is offering monitoring again, illegally.

 

[Jim]

means RLB has a 3rd party regular monitoring service in his contract
(or so it would seem).   The plot thickens.

Weellllllll ......now see, ya gotta be careful what words you choose,
when you're responding to Fat Ass Bass.

Ya gotta think about whats on his mind every minute of the day and what
the word "plot" conjures up.

 

[Robert L Bass]

If you are the dealer then he is correct...

Nope. He's wrong. But don't let that stop
you from agreeing with him.

even if you aren't you are in
effect an agent of that dealer

Florida statute makes no mention of remote
programming. It also makes no mention of
nor does it concern itself with going to a
website to order services on behalf of an
end user.

And on a side note it's interesting that the
closer one gets to the truth concerning
you the less words you say in your defense

I just enjoy watching you idiots try to figure
out what I mean and what services I offer.
You've yet to get it right in over eight years.
All the bullfrank about Florida statutes, even
one idiot claiming that there's a new law
written in my name, is just that bull.

I'll give you a hint, moron. There's a huge
difference between ordering services which
the DIYer pays someone else for and
providing services.

I don't offer monitoring services and I
don't collect RMR. What I found over the
years is that an installing dealer is in a
better position to collect RMR than an
online provider. Too many accounts
"forget" to pay. People also move,
leaving systems reporting and the dealer
remains responsible to pay for it even after
the RMR has stopped coming in.

I can make more profitable use of my time
selling new systems than chasing after
unpaid monitoring contracts. So I stopped.

I know you idiots like to pretend it had
something to do with Mugford's pals'
bogus complaint but that's just bullshit
and you know it. The agent concluded
that my business was and is fully
compliant with Florida law and that was
the end of it. Had he found otherwise,
Mugford would have been hopping around
boasting about it like Jiminex in a new
rowboat.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-866-1100
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>

 

[Carnival Midway Hawker]

Ya gotta think about whats on his mind every minute of the day and what
the word "plot" conjures up.

If he is reselling monitoring VIA Telguard, he is ->monitoring<-. He
was told to stop this activity, it is punishable by criminal code.

 

[Carnival Midway Hawker]

I don't offer monitoring services and I
don't collect RMR

Do you activate the Telguard units? You already said you did.

 

[Frank Olson]

Florida statute makes no mention of remote
programming. It also makes no mention of
nor does it concern itself with going to a
website to order services on behalf of an
end user.

I think that's open to "interpretation" though.



I've noticed this too.

I just enjoy watching you idiots try to figure
out what I mean and what services I offer.
You've yet to get it right in over eight years.
All the bullfrank about Florida statutes, even
one idiot claiming that there's a new law
written in my name, is just that bull.

Your meaning is rather clear. Frank's right. Complaints from people
outside of your State have fallen on deaf ears. When the complaint
originated with a licensed tradesman *in* Florida, though, some major
changes took place on your website.

I'll give you a hint, moron. There's a huge
difference between ordering services which
the DIYer pays someone else for and
providing services.

So I'm kinda "fuzzy" about the difference between offering monitoring
services in which you were named the "Dealer" and activating a cellular
communicator which also requires your registration as the "servicing
Dealer". In an earlier post you'd stated that you couldn't provide "on
site" help to a DIY that purchased product from you and who may just
live "down the road" from you because that would be construed as
"service" (and technically require licensure under Florida's Statutes).
I don't see the difference between providing this "service" either "in
person" or over the phone. The Florida Statute is full of such
loopholes though, and I think it's only a matter of time before they're
going to limit your "services" to simple sale of product.

I don't offer monitoring services and I
don't collect RMR. What I found over the
years is that an installing dealer is in a
better position to collect RMR than an
online provider. Too many accounts
"forget" to pay. People also move,
leaving systems reporting and the dealer
remains responsible to pay for it even after
the RMR has stopped coming in.

Your "contract" stated that the *homeowner* was responsible. I could
hardly think any CS would hold their Dealer responsible for the fact
that the customer moved without notice or decided he wasn't going to pay
for the service any longer.

I can make more profitable use of my time
selling new systems than chasing after
unpaid monitoring contracts. So I stopped.

And it was a "coincidence" that at the same time you decided it was time
to quit "chasing after unpaid monitoring contracts", the DBPR was
investigating your operation... Sure...

I know you idiots like to pretend it had
something to do with Mugford's pals'
bogus complaint but that's just bullshit
and you know it.

No actually, we don't. We only have your word for it and we all know
"your word" means next to nothing.

The agent concluded
that my business was and is fully
compliant with Florida law and that was
the end of it.

Yes, yes... and you have many "friends and neighbours" that happen to
be pilots and engineers that all say you can't roll a Boeing 737. Just
as I have many acquaintances that are Airline Transport rated pilots and
aircraft engineers that say the exact opposite. We know all this, Bass.
It doesn't "prove" anything besides the fact that you like to post
hearsay. I have a friend that's actually seen the movie I have, and
posted that fact in this Group. You've called him a "sock puppet" and
even suggested that "he" is "me". You've also been unable to prove that
too, Bass.

Had he found otherwise,
Mugford would have been hopping around
boasting about it like Jiminex in a new
rowboat.

I believe Bob Worthy knows what really happened and it appears there was
some disagreement in the Attorney General's Office over the wording of
the Statute. Hopefully, they're going to be able to amend that section
so that it's less ambiguous and not open to the kind of interpretation
we all know you're capable of.

 

[Norm Mugford]

Yes........

I agree.......

Do I hear a motion to send in an unlicensed
activity complaint for Mr. BAss.......


Norm Mugford

And since Telguard 'forwards' the signals derived from the unit that
means RLB has a 3rd party regular monitoring service in his contract
(or so it would seem). The plot thickens.



Why is he wrong?


I shall call his activities illegal, they are subject to Florida law
that requires alarm monitoring resellers to be licensed.

Norm Mugford - do you agree?




It's really a four word example. Conjunctions count as two words.

I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html

 

[Frank Olson]

Yes........

I agree.......

Do I hear a motion to send in an unlicensed
activity complaint for Mr. BAss.......

Lame, Norm... really lame...