Telular Telguard TG-1 & TG-4 Service Pricing

[Stanley Barthfarkle]

We order replacement chips for customers whose panels have been locked by

the installing dealer. At least with Napco the customer has a way to get
control his own system if the alarm company tried to pull a fast one.

Verb 1. pull a fast one on - deceive somebody; "We tricked the teacher
into thinking that class would be cancelled next week"
fob, fox, play a trick on, trick
cozen, deceive, delude, lead on - be false to; be dishonest with
snooker - fool or dupe; "He was snookered by the con-man's smooth talk

 

[[email protected]]

Does anyone know how the Honeywell AlarmNet 7435-GSM unit would
interface into the Caddx NX-8e panel? It's not too clear to me how that
hook-up would be accomplished (there doesn't seem to be a lot of
documentation on the Honeywell site on installation information that I
could find at least.) Also, would the connection provide full Contact
ID reporting?

I'm asking because I've got back several responses mentioning they
support the AlarmNet-G systems and would provide monitoring with my
Caddx panel for a reasonable fee. At least to me so far, it appears
that AlarmNet seems to have more support than Telguard with the service
monitoring companies.

Thanks!

 

[IOW, you lie.]

Does anyone know how the Honeywell AlarmNet 7435-GSM unit would
interface into the Caddx NX-8e panel? It's not too clear to me how that
hook-up would be accomplished (there doesn't seem to be a lot of
documentation on the Honeywell site on installation information that I
could find at least.) Also, would the connection provide full Contact
ID reporting?

You won't get full CID reporting with Alarmnet and a GE panel. It can
only be used in 'zone' mode with panels without a Honeywell ECP bus.

 

[Robert L Bass]

These products are indented...

You can fix that with a ball pean hammer.

for use by monitoring resellers, not to
end users...
Nonsense!

The online parts-pusher doesn't want to
tell you up front what obstacles you'll
face when actually putting these devices
into service...

If we sell it we put it into service. I have no
idea what others may do.

You might end up paying more than you
would have if you just let an installing
dealer 'give' you the equipment and
maintain it and monitor it.

Uh-huh. Or... you might end up saving 50%
or more over the cost of "professional"
installation. It depends on who is doing
the work and how much they are goug...
er, charging.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-866-1100
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>

 

[[email protected]]

Hmm.. I had a bad feeling about that when I was reading through the
documentation at the Honeywell web site (I notice the ECP bus wording
but wasn't sure what that meant since I really only know about Caddx
systems.) Ideally, I really would like to have a full CID solution (for
obvious reasons) - I knew it was too good to be true! Thanks for
replying.

I'll probably need to look into an Uplink AnyNet solution then. The
biggest drawback I see with this approach is not only will I have to
buy a NX-584 for a second serial port (since my first one is used),
I'll have to build a custom cable to hook them together (unfortunately
Uplink doesn't even include a standard serial cable.)

At this point I'm almost considering getting a PhoneLabs Dock-n-Talk
module and use a regular cell phone with a reduced monthly service plan
this way it will run both cellular (if the land line has been cut) or
land line (primary). It's sad - I know.

 

[Crash Gordon]

Not sure why you'd need serial port.

You're gonna run into similar problem in that Uplink only sells service to
alarm dealers though.


| Hmm.. I had a bad feeling about that when I was reading through the
| documentation at the Honeywell web site (I notice the ECP bus wording
| but wasn't sure what that meant since I really only know about Caddx
| systems.) Ideally, I really would like to have a full CID solution (for
| obvious reasons) - I knew it was too good to be true! Thanks for
| replying.
|
| I'll probably need to look into an Uplink AnyNet solution then. The
| biggest drawback I see with this approach is not only will I have to
| buy a NX-584 for a second serial port (since my first one is used),
| I'll have to build a custom cable to hook them together (unfortunately
| Uplink doesn't even include a standard serial cable.)
|
| At this point I'm almost considering getting a PhoneLabs Dock-n-Talk
| module and use a regular cell phone with a reduced monthly service plan
| this way it will run both cellular (if the land line has been cut) or
| land line (primary). It's sad - I know.
|
| > On 23 Jan 2007 14:19:28 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
| >
| > >Does anyone know how the Honeywell AlarmNet 7435-GSM unit would
| > >interface into the Caddx NX-8e panel? It's not too clear to me how that
| > >hook-up would be accomplished (there doesn't seem to be a lot of
| > >documentation on the Honeywell site on installation information that I
| > >could find at least.) Also, would the connection provide full Contact
| > >ID reporting?You won't get full CID reporting with Alarmnet and a GE
panel. It can
| > only be used in 'zone' mode with panels without a Honeywell ECP bus.
|

 

[Doug]

Is it that hard to catch RLB sober?

Doug

 

[[email protected]]

I'm pretty sure the only way you can get the Uplink AnyNet to do CID
reporting is hooking up the Serial Port from the panel. I'd have to
re-read the documentation, but I believe this is how it works (please
correct me if I'm wrong here.)

I've found a few alarm service monitoring companies which uses Uplink
so I don't think I'll run into the same problem I'm hitting with the
Telguard.

 

[Doug]

I think I would stay with the Telguard TG-4 if you can find a company that
will monitor it for you at a price that you deem reasonable.

Doug

--

 

[[email protected]]

Doug-

Maybe I'll give it one last shot (since I already have the Telguard
hardware) and try calling one of the inside sales reps at Telular to
see if they can point me to a dealer who will do the monitoring for me.
Obviously there has to be some companies out there who are dealers
otherwise they wouldn't still be in business.

Thanks.

 

[[email protected]]

For the most part I did save some money by doing the installation
myself, but price really wasn't the real motivational factor for me
(again, I wasn't happy with my "professional" installation of my
previous system.) However, knowing now what my neighbor paid to have
his ADT system installed, it definitely makes me feel good about the
money savings part (even better knowing I have much better coverage for
half the price.)

What Bass isn't telling everyone though is the money I have been
spending on my system has been going to him! (BTW, thanks for the
quick shipment (again) for my order last week.) Even though I know he
takes a lot of abuse by people here, he does run a good business for
DIYers with very quick turn-around based on my own personal experience
of dealing with him. I can't say the same for some of the other
companies I've dealt with.

(Now, do I get that 50% off my next order coupon you promised me since
I posted what you told me to?!?! No, no.. Just kidding - he never said
that, but I couldn't resist the hazing! <grin> Thanks for the help
though!)

 

[[email protected]]

A dealer on ebay was liquidating his unused stock a while back (maybe
they decided not to carry Telguard - honestly, I'm not really too sure
what his reasoning was to sell them.) To make a long story short, I
have two of them that are still new in the box, but I haven't got
around to hooking one up yet until I can guaranteed I'm going to get
service on it (thus my current search for an alarm monitoring service.)


Also, thanks for the information on the Uplink. I was pretty sure the
CID reporting would work, but I would still need a NX-584 to get
everything working since my built-in serial port is used. The Uplink
would cost me the most amount of money in the end, but I'll go this
route if I can get a working setup with reporting.

 

[[email protected]]

I was doing some surfing just now, and noticed there's actually a
digital (GSM) version of the older Uplink 1650 with pass-thru's for the
RJ31x jack like the Telguard RG-4. It's made by Stealth Laboratories
and is based off of the Uplink AnyNet. From what I read on their web
site it looks like it should provide full CID reporting without having
the need to hook it up directly via serial. Here's a link:
http://www.stealthlabs.com/GSM1650Instructions.pdf.

The good part is that it should be very simple to hook into my Caddx
system and I also know of a few monitoring companies that will activate
this for me. I'm going to call them tomorrow to get more details since
none of their dealer links actually provide any information on the unit
(although the documentation is dated 12/26/06 so it looks to be fairly
new) or the price.

This might be a good solution based on the AnyNet unit.

 

[Crash Gordon]

Dunno.
I think DMP has an Uplink/Stealth that reports fully from the 100 & 500
panels but I've not used it yet.

Actually, I'd never really noticed the serial port on the AnyNet till this
thread ... gettin olde me thinks.



| I've been told the AnyNet supports the serial output from the NX-8E
although
| I don't have any info on it
|
| | > Not sure why you'd need serial port.
| >
| > You're gonna run into similar problem in that Uplink only sells service
to
| > alarm dealers though.
| >
| >
| > | > | Hmm.. I had a bad feeling about that when I was reading through the
| > | documentation at the Honeywell web site (I notice the ECP bus wording
| > | but wasn't sure what that meant since I really only know about Caddx
| > | systems.) Ideally, I really would like to have a full CID solution
(for
| > | obvious reasons) - I knew it was too good to be true! Thanks for
| > | replying.
| > |
| > | I'll probably need to look into an Uplink AnyNet solution then. The
| > | biggest drawback I see with this approach is not only will I have to
| > | buy a NX-584 for a second serial port (since my first one is used),
| > | I'll have to build a custom cable to hook them together (unfortunately
| > | Uplink doesn't even include a standard serial cable.)
| > |
| > | At this point I'm almost considering getting a PhoneLabs Dock-n-Talk
| > | module and use a regular cell phone with a reduced monthly service
plan
| > | this way it will run both cellular (if the land line has been cut) or
| > | land line (primary). It's sad - I know.
| > |
| > | > On 23 Jan 2007 14:19:28 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
| > | >
| > | > >Does anyone know how the Honeywell AlarmNet 7435-GSM unit would
| > | > >interface into the Caddx NX-8e panel? It's not too clear to me how
| that
| > | > >hook-up would be accomplished (there doesn't seem to be a lot of
| > | > >documentation on the Honeywell site on installation information
that
| I
| > | > >could find at least.) Also, would the connection provide full
Contact
| > | > >ID reporting?You won't get full CID reporting with Alarmnet and a
GE
| > panel. It can
| > | > only be used in 'zone' mode with panels without a Honeywell ECP bus.
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

 

[Robert L Bass]

What Bass isn't telling everyone though

is the money I have been spending on
my system has been going to him! ...

Hmm. I wouldn't have told them anyway,
but in truth I didn't realize at first that you
were one of my customers. Next time
contact me, please let me know that it
was you posting here. No 50% breaks,
but I'd still like to know. :^)

(BTW, thanks for the quick shipment
(again) for my order last week.) Even
though I know he takes a lot of abuse
by people here, he does run a good
business for DIYers with very quick
turn-around based on my own personal
experience of dealing with him. I can't
say the same for some of the other
companies I've dealt with.

Thanks for the kind words. I try to give
good service. Once in a while we screw
up but for the most part we get things
right.

(Now, do I get that 50% off my next
order coupon you promised me since
I posted what you told me to?!?! No,
no.. Just kidding - he never said that,
but I couldn't resist the hazing! <grin>
Thanks for the help though!)

You're most welcome.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-866-1100
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>

 

[Doug]

I'm sure he does a good job for his customers, but despite his assertions to
the contrary, its not his DIY business that makes him a pariah in this group
and probably the real world as well, its his obnoxious attitude, constant
derogatory comments about anyone who disagrees with him, and since I'm in a
charitable mood, his poetic license with the truth or pathological lies if
you prefer, his narcissistic behaviour doesn't gain him many friends either.

Doug.

 

[Frank Olson]

I'm sure he does a good job for his customers, but despite his assertions to
the contrary, its not his DIY business that makes him a pariah in this group
and probably the real world as well, its his obnoxious attitude, constant
derogatory comments about anyone who disagrees with him, and since I'm in a
charitable mood, his poetic license with the truth

You mean they actually renewed it?? ;-)

 

[Doug]

Its been rumoured, well it has now, that he's been advised to upgrade to a
professional version, apparently the personal edition is only good for up to
10 uses per day and furthermore is only valid if there is a shred of truth
in a statement.

Doug

--

 

[Robert L Bass]

constant derogatory comments about

anyone who disagrees with him...

That is simply not true. Everyone knows that I believe Doug is a wonderful fellow. Ok, so maybe that would constitute a bit of
poetic license. :^)

All kidding aside, regardless what these gentleman may claim, the whole ASA war started because I refused to accept their demands
that I not mention my website or pretty much anything about catering to DIYers. This goes back many years.

The mud-slinging has always been largely the work of a small group of less-than-honest installers who hang out in ASA. It's sad,
really, because some of these people are knowledgeable and could do much to make the industry look better. Instead, they make the
trade look like a bunch of carnival midway hawkers and schoolyard bullies.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-866-1100
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>

 

[Jim]

poetic license.  :^)

All kidding aside, regardless what these gentleman may claim, the whole ASA war started because I refused to accept their demands
that I not mention my website or pretty much anything about catering to DIYers.  This goes back many years.

The mud-slinging has always been largely the work of a small group of less-than-honest installers who hang out in ASA.  It's sad,
really, because some of these people are knowledgeable and could do much to make the industry look better.  Instead, they make the
trade look like a bunch of carnival midway hawkers and schoolyard bullies.

You dying piece of dog shit.

If it wasn't for your arrogance and nasty fucking attitude towards
anyone who disagrees with you and you're thinking that it's alright for
you to do anything to anyone with out retribution, YOU wouldn't be the
one who has the majority of people who participate in this group
repremanding you constantly. No one is going to let you get away with
what you've done to this Newsgroup with out giving you opposition.

If, ..... as YOU say,...... it's because no one wants you to sell to
DIY'ers, why is it that the same disruptions happened to the Aviation
newsgroup ( where you weren't selling anything) when you were
participating and now that you're not, it's peaceful there?
Everything that you did in that group and the resulting conditions of
that group is the exact same thing that you've caused here. There's no
denying it. You deliberately cause disruption here and that's a fact
proved by your lying past reputation. And you think what? If you
deny it ...... nobody will notice?

Yeah ..... sure!

**** off, you dead piece of crap. You get treated exactly how you
deserve to be treated.