You didnt, you waffled on about 'brown clouds', which just happen
to be completely and utterly irrelevant to what was being discussed,
where that jet black soot inside monitors comes from.
Air that is colored brown but transparent, in spades.
And you clearly originally said 'fairly transparent' and you
have now attempted to slither off to just 'transparent'
Even you should be able to grasp that that cant possibly
the be source of the jet black soot seen inside monitors.
Crap. I said that the brown haze I WAS TALKING ABOUT is
particles and
http://www.phoenixvis.net/causes.html clearly
says that particles are the 'principal' cause of 'brown clouds'
Pity its completely and utterly irrelevant to what was being discussed,
WHERE THE JET BLACK SOOT SEEN IN MONITORS COMES FROM.
Pity its completely and utterly irrelevant to what was being discussed,
WHERE THE JET BLACK SOOT SEEN IN MONITORS COMES FROM.
It clearly says that the 'principal' cause of 'brown cloud' is particles.
Which just happens to be completely and utterly irrelevant
to what was being discussed, WHERE THE JET BLACK
SOOT SEEN IN MONITORS COMES FROM.
It clearly is with THE HAZE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
Wrong. And you initially said 'fairly transparent' anyway.
The brown is just the particles.
You claim particles and in the past claimed it's dust and not jet black
soot. You are ignoring my pointing out that your favored
http://www.phoenixvis.net/causes.html says as I claim that the brown color
is from nitrogen dioxide and that plenty of soot is present. You seem to
think that your favored web page saying particles are the principle cause
of the cloud negates that same page saying nitrogen dioxide gives the
cloud its color.
And its all completely and utterly irrelevant to what
was being discussed, WHERE THE JET BLACK
SOOT SEEN IN MONITORS COMES FROM.
Relevant to you saying brown cloud pollution is, depending on when you
said it, dust or particles, and other than jet black soot which I assert
and your favored
http://www.phoenixvis.net/causes.html says is a major
component of "brown cloud" urban air pollution.
Bullshit. And clearly at nothing like the levels seen
in major citys, so you should see significantly less
of that jet black soot inside monitors used on
pacific islands than in major citys, and you dont.
Basic logic.
Did anyone claim that it builds up as fast in the Pacific Islands as it
does in Philadelphia? No, only that it occurs there! Significantly less
than what I see in Philadelphia can easily be a black covering of the
stuff! Heck, I have seen the stuff a couple millimeters thick in
some trashed TV sets in Philadelphia! A hundredth as much is more than
enough to be quite a noticeable totally black coating!
Your terminally silly 'soot magnet' theory has blown up in your
face and covered you with black stuff very spectacularly indeed.
At nothing like the levels seen in major polluted citys.
Pity the pacific islands dont even get those
'brown clouds' that it is clearly discussing.
I did not say they get brown clouds, and you don't need a brown cloud to
get a coating of black soot on things that attract it!
Pity the pacific islands dont even get those
'brown clouds' that it is clearly discussing.
Pity the NOx levels seen in thunderstorm clouds aint even visible.
Then what do you claim is the transparent brownish stuff that I saw
blowing out of the upper regions of some of them? You have yet to offer
any evidence that NO2 is invisible in air masses several miles wide better
than noting that a web page I have known you to favor says the principle
cause of "brown cloud" is particles, and you have yet to refute that same
web page saying that NO2 gives "brown cloud" its color!
<SNIP lead-up to this that reverts back to
http://www.phoenixvis.net/causes.html>
Pity about the first para.
Pity about the first para.
Need anyone say more?
I didnt snip it out, it was quoted where it appeared, much further down.
All completely and utterly irrelevant to where
the jet black soot seen inside monitors even on
pacific islands with **** all diesel engines in use.
Basic logic.
Carbon particle output being totally not tolerated because it reduces
fuel economy according to you even while significant CO output is
tolerated, as an argument that engines can't be producing any fine carbon
particles, is relevant.
All completely and utterly irrelevant to where
the jet black soot seen inside monitors even on
pacific islands with **** all diesel engines in use.
Basic logic.
Relevant because they do make soot and relevant because the soot does
easily travel thousands of miles and relevant because Pacific islands do
get some of the stuff!
Reams of your completely irrelevant crap
about 'brown clouds' flushed where it belongs.
Doesnt have a damned thing to do with what was
being discussed, WHERE THE JET BLACK SOOT
FOUND INSIDE MONITORS IS COMING FROM.
I didnt even comment on what CAUSES an inversion,
I was just saying that its the inversion that inversion
effect that produces smoke reaching only that level.
And nearly enough the same level whether a smoke source has no heat
source under it all or a 6-alarm fire under it!
Have fun explaining why it rises.
Turbulence in the air layer below the inversion due to wind (common to
extend upward hundreds of feet and sometimes extends up a couple thousand
feet), and convection within the air layer below the inversion if sunlight
is reaching the ground.
Lie. I JUST said that diesel soot can only be a tiny part of
the total number of particles that produce a 'brown cloud'
And your favored
http://www.phoenixvis.net/causes.html sure seems to
think that soot particles from tailpipes are a major part of the
particulate content of "brown cloud". Do you propose that it's all coming
from gasoline engines (I only said diesel as an example and not as a
limitation anyway)?
Pity it does even on pacific islands with **** all diesel engines.
Basic logic.
Reams more completely irrelevant crap that has no relevance
what so ever to where the jet black soot found in monitors on
pacific islands with **** all diesel engines, flushed where it belongs.
Where ITS CLEAR VISIBLE AS BROWN CLOUD.
It doesn't magically precipitate when wind blows the air somewhere else
and dilutes it!
It obviously aint with pacific islands that
dont even get the brown cloud effect.
Nope, because it clearly isnt a visible BROWN CLOUD there.
He didnt cite a single study and the OTHER individual that did,
didnt say a damned thing about the levels seen with pacific islands.
AND we just happen to have an atmospheric monitoring
station in Tasmania, whose primary role is to monitor
the levels of greenhouse gases AND THEY DONT
FIND SIGNIFICANT LEVELS IN THE AIR THERE.
So you bring up greenhouse gases? And significant levels of what? And
what do you call significant - monitors accumulating whatever it is at 1%
of the rate I have seen TV sets get in Philadelphia would have no problem
accumulating a noticeable totally jet black layer of the stuff!
So your terminally silly 'soot magnet' theory has blown up in your
face and covered you with black stuff very spectacularly indeed.
from!
Doesnt matter a damn what he may or may not 'think'
What matters is that the measured soot levels are **** all
compared with what is seen in major polluted industrial citys
and since the same effect with jet black soot seen inside
monitors happens in both, it cant be your terminally
silly 'soot magnet' theory that explains that.
Basic logic.
1% of what TV sets accumulate in Philadelphia is more than enough to
form a noticeable jet black layer of the stuff!
Pity pacific islands DONT GET THOSE BROWN CLOUDS ITS DISCUSSING THERE.
You don't need brown clouds to get a fraction of a percent of the
average soot content of Philadelphia air!
Pity pacific islands DONT GET THOSE BROWN CLOUDS ITS DISCUSSING THERE.
Pity pacific islands DONT GET THOSE BROWN CLOUDS ITS DISCUSSING THERE.
You don't need brown cloud to get half a percent of the average soot
content of Philadelphia air, and a monitor getting half a percent as much
of whatever I have seen in TV sets in Philadelphia will get a noticeable
jet black layer of the stuff!
<SNIP a couple additional batches of back-and-forth that so far have ended
with Rod Speed closing with the like of "Pity pacific islands DONT GET
THOSE BROWN CLOUDS ITS DISCUSSING THERE".>
I doubt anyone has ever bothered to measure that.
- Don Klipstein (
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