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Rod Speed

annily wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Oh can they?
Yep.

This link provides the evidence to back up my claim:

Everyone can see that that proves what I said, you silly little pathological liar.
The above link proves that there was.

Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, as always.
The above link proves that I did.

Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, as always.
Wrong again. See the above link

Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, as always.
And again. See the above link.

Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, as always.
See the above link.

Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, as always.
Prove it.

Just did.
Have you asked everyone, to substantiate that claim?

Dont need to, you silly little pathological liar.
 
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keithr

kreed wrote

You can get pretty decent GB/$ value if you want it, you just cant get the higher speeds as well.



That analogy falls down badly with the ADSL2+ which has very decent download limits like with say TPG etc.

You dont even pay all that much per month for that.

You dont however get speeds better than 24Mbs that route.

Thats a lot better than a used Commodore.


The higher volume TPG plans are a lot better than that.


Its a pretty distorted view. The TPG ADSL2+ plans are nothing like
a drive to the shops once a week and maybe to church on sunday.


Depends on how its paid for. If part of what was obtained by flogging
off Telstra was used to pay for it, it would be perfectly possible to
charge say $50/month total and provide say a 180GB limit per month.

Corse its very arguable that that is the best use of $50B instead of say hospitals etc.


No you cant, particularly if the NBN was paid for using part of what was obtained by flogging off Telstra.

Corse its all up in the air now if the coalition jumps into bed with the independants and dumps the NBN.
The problem with that is that the independent ADSL2 is only available on
exchanges in the cities and larger towns. Where I live, TPG only retails
Telstra's ADSL1 at a much higher price than TPG's own ADSL2 and with
much lower download limits. The only way to get ADSL2 around here is to
go with Telstra with lower download limits.
 
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Rod Speed

keithr wrote
Rod Speed wrote
The problem with that is that the independent ADSL2 is only available on exchanges in the cities and larger towns.

That is however where the vast bulk of consumers are.
Where I live, TPG only retails Telstra's ADSL1 at a much higher price than TPG's own ADSL2 and with much lower
download limits.

Yes, Telstra should have been forced to resell ADSL2.
The only way to get ADSL2 around here is to go with Telstra with lower download limits.

Yes, but most dont download anything like those higher TPG ADSL2+ download limits.

And it doesnt make any sense to be spending anything like $50B to fix that downside
with places outside the citys and larger towns, it would cost a hell of a lot less to force
Telstra to resell the ADSL2+ thats already installed in those other exchanges, and to
add more ADSL2+ for the higher takeup of ADSL2+ that would result in fixing that.

And spend a hell of a lot less than anything like $50B on decent wireless for those
who cant get a decent ADSL2+ service even if Telstra was forced to resell it etc.
 
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annily

annily wrote


Everyone can see that that proves what I said, you silly little pathological liar.

You're incredible. Even though the link clearly proves that I did update
my comment to say "OK, some of the copper connections are crap", and
that comment subsequently disappeared from what you quoted in reply
(even after you had quoted it twice), you continue to try to bullshit by
saying that I never said it.

Your either need to see a psychiatrist (or become a politician).
 
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Rod Speed

annily wrote
Rod Speed wrote
You're incredible.

You're just pathetic, you silly little pathological liar.
Even though the link clearly proves that I did update my comment to say "OK, some of the copper connections are crap",
and that comment subsequently disappeared from what you quoted in reply

That link doesnt show that, you silly little pathological liar.
(even after you had quoted it twice), you continue to try to bullshit by saying that I never said it.

I never ever said anything like that, you silly little pathological liar.
Your either need to see a psychiatrist (or become a politician).

You should get surgery for that nose, pinnochio.
 
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annily

annily wrote


You're just pathetic, you silly little pathological liar.


That link doesnt show that, you silly little pathological liar.

So you can't read now?
I never ever said anything like that, you silly little pathological liar.

Of course you did, liar.
 
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annily

annily wrote


Everyone can see for themselves that I can read fine, you silly little pathological liar.

Everyone can see for themselves that you are delusional.
Everyone can see for themselves that I never ever did, you silly little pathological liar.

No. Everyone can see for themselves that you did.
 
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Rod Speed

kreed wrote
That is true. I would be quite happy if it was practical to get 1.5Mb
where I am without high cost and ridiculously small download limits.

Thats perfectly possible for most.
It would allow for things like use of internet at a better speed while being on a VOIP phone call,

You dont need 1.5Mb for that.
the use of skype video calling etc for example.

Or that.
Not at all. Even if it takes a few hours to download a DVD size content
its more practical than dumping that much money into this scheme.
Alternatives would be to find a VCD quality or similar file (much smaller - faster) for download.

Which is what most do right now.
It's probably a lot more feasible for a lot of people to wait or get a lower sized
download than the hassle of driving to the video store, time spent parking, going in,
finding the vid, paying, driving home etc, then doing it again to return it (if a rental).

I believe all that is grossly overstated.
That has been happening in parts of where I live

Not to individual houses it hasnt.
In that case the telephone system in that area (most likely
copper) is not going to cope with the extra connections,

Wrong, that works fine with RIMs and CMUXes.
and would need an upgrade to cope with the extra population density from these developments.

Only in the sense of more RIMs and CMUXes.

Most of those developments are too small to warrant individual RIMs and CMUXes in each building etc.
When you are looking at major works for this that is the time
to start upgrading the area of the works to fibre service.

No it isnt with FTTP.
If you have to lay from scratch or do a major upgrade to lines,
its probably not going to be a huge difference in cost of laying
copper cable or laying fibre ?

The big difference in cost is at each house.
Would probably need a lot of work in that sort of growing area
with upgrades to electrical services, water, sewerage, gas etc.

That doesnt happen much with individual houses replaced by blocks of units.
Could prioritize suburbs that are due for upgrades, ageing infrastructure,

Thats what we have been doing with RIMs and CMUXes.
have lots of development happening (see above), or ones
with high rates of ADSL usage that would very likely use these
new faster services compared to areas where there were groups
that didnt use much internet, or only cheap, slow plans who aren't
likely to change for cost reasons. (ie: pensioners, low income areas etc)

Still makes no sense to be going for FTTP.
That is true. There are plenty of other public services that need funds.
As I see it, getting as many across Australia as possible up to at least a
reasonably priced ADSL 1 / 2 standard should be what we need to look at.

We've already got that.
Would BPL (power line broadband) work in rural areas ?

Nope. Wireless makes a hell of a lot more sense.
Relatively few users per sq KM, therefore not much clutter or overload of the bandwidth ?

Perfect for wireless. We do that right now with voice comms.
Not as many issues with possible radio interference
compared to using it in an urban area ?,

There is no problem with those in urban areas. 3G works fine.
Gives coverage over a wide area without needing any extra cabling ?

So does wireless and has the advantage of location being completely flexible.
Works from any power socket ?
Fast enough ?
Nope.

AFAIK a majority of rural properties have mains electricity,
Yes.

though probably a lot of SWER systems - do they work with BPL ?
Nope.

Ones that were very isolated would have to use satellite.

They dont have to be very isolated for that to be practical.
Don't see much other option.
Correct.
True. He is gone but his legacy lives on.

Specially with Gillard being stupid enough to continue with it.

But she's gone now too. Good riddance.
I hope to god you are right on that one.

I cant see it ever happening with both majors opposing it.

Even Gillard wasnt that stupid.
 
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Rod Speed

kreed wrote
For you and Rod, that is the same situation where I live, and was referring to .
When I look on several non-Telstra providers webpages and enter my number,
they show that the exchange is ADSL 1 only - and plans are at a maximum of 1.5mb.

TPG isnt.
would like this, but the cost and limits are too restrictive compared to the current situation.
I'm still on a 512 plan

Voip works fine on that.

The only thing that doesnt work too well is ABC iView.
that was genuinely unlimited when I signed up, and seems to have
stayed unlimited, even though it was dropped a couple of years
back and since then only limited and/or shaped (same thing)
plans are now available from that provider on their webpage.
However, I would much rather live with it than be forced to go be
responsible as a taxpayer for billions for something that will no
doubt increase my speed but will likely cost more as a net user also.

And forcing Telstra to resell the ADSL2 thats already in your exchange would cost a hell of a lot less too.
 
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Rod Speed

Some gutless fuckwit pathological liar desperately cowering behind
annily desperately attempted to bullshit and lie its way out of its
predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.
 
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SG1

Rod Speed said:
Some gutless fuckwit pathological liar desperately cowering behind
annily desperately attempted to bullshit and lie its way out of its
predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.
The "BOT" is back. All Hail the bot.
 
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annily

Some gutless fuckwit pathological liar desperately cowering behind
annily desperately attempted to bullshit and lie its way out of its
predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.

Blah blah.
 
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Rod Speed

Some gutless fuckwit pathological liar desperately cowering behind
annily desperately attempted to bullshit and lie its way out of its
predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.
 
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annily

Some gutless fuckwit pathological liar desperately cowering behind
annily desperately attempted to bullshit and lie its way out of its
predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.

Rod's usual crap when he loses an argument. He just has to have the last
word, even if he's run out of arguments.
 
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atec77

Rod's usual crap when he loses an argument. He just has to have the last
word, even if he's run out of arguments.
Now if you stopped feeding woddles I wouldn't see his mindless pap
 
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SG1

atec77 said:
Now if you stopped feeding woddles I wouldn't see his mindless pap

I don't killfile him but after 2 relies he has lost it so that thread gets
to be NONdownloadable on my pc.
 
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SG1

atec77 said:
Now if you stopped feeding woddles I wouldn't see his mindless pap

I don't killfile him but after 2 relies he has lost it so that thread gets
to be NONdownloadable on my pc.
 
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Rod Speed

Some gutless fuckwit pathological liar desperately cowering behind
annily desperately attempted to bullshit and lie its way out of its
predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.
 
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