Resistor vs transformer

[The Real Andy]

** Arguing from " a position of ignorance" is Bill Sloman's one specialty.

Since he has an overwhelming abundance of ignorance available for the
purpose.


Da Slow Man is a fucking public menace.





........ Phil

Yawn.....

 

[Fred Bloggs]

"Fred Bloggs"




** But some of us have a better idea than others.






** Look exactly like the Chinese auto-transformer step-downs that were
withdrawn by importers and electronics retailers across Australia on safety
grounds.

They are sold world-wide and imported into the US by Seven Star:
http://www.sevenstar.com/p_transformer.htm

They are manufactured in Zhejiang Province, China by this group:
http://zheneng.en.alibaba.com/

And they are retailed at low price by numerous legitimate US outlets:
http://appliances.safeshopper.com/45/711.htm?802

I would allow +25% competitiveness factor for domestic manufacturer
first, and pass over for critical application-as with most domestic
manufacturers. This product is strictly low end consumer.

 

[Weinberger Hans]

Otherwise for 8-9 dollars (transport excluded) each I could get
supply you 50 of those in plastic casing rated at 45 watts ! Email me
if you're interested.

lemonjuice

Do these units accept USA plugs? Are the plugs grounded? Do they
plug directly into German plug sockets? 2 or 3 German plug sockets?
What is the certification? CE, FCC etc?

Thank you

Hans

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

"Safety grounds" often translates as "cheaper that the regular
supplier".

Read up on "non-tariff barriers to trade". The U.S.A. has been using
asimilar trick to exclude Australian beef from the U.S. market for as
long as I can remember.

Really? Then you can tell us which US laws, statutes, tariffs, or
other regulations are keeping it out. Or is it that they use different
inspection standards, which will bar its entry?

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

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Really? Then you can tell us which US laws, statutes, tariffs, or
other regulations are keeping it out. Or is it that they use different
inspection standards, which will bar its entry?

Easy. Australian slaughterhouses never come up to U.S. specifications.

Build a new slaughterhouse precisely to the the U.S. specifications,
and the U.S. inspectors come out and condemn it. It was true when I was
at school with Tasmanian farmer's kids in th 1950's, and it is
apparently still true - my wife's step-mother has a couple of kids in
the business in Queensland, and when I was talking to her last month
she confirmed that the same old scam is still being used.

 

[Phil Allison]

"The Real Andy"


** Shame Andy Pearson has run out of public toilets to troll.

Maybe he will stalk the ones at the local Brisbane primary next.

Be more his intellectual level.





......... Phil

 

[Paul Burke]

Build a new slaughterhouse precisely to the the U.S. specifications,
and the U.S. inspectors come out and condemn it. It was true when I was
at school with Tasmanian farmer's kids in th 1950's, and it is
apparently still true - my wife's step-mother has a couple of kids in
the business in Queensland, and when I was talking to her last month
she confirmed that the same old scam is still being used.

From http://tinyurl.com/73uno

"Beef has been Australia's major goods export to the USA for the past
three years, accounting for $1,357m (14%) of Australia's goods exports
to that country in 2003. Since 1998, the volume of beef exports to USA
has risen by 30%, while the value of beef exports has risen by 81%.


Australia's beef exports are subject to a quota of 378,214 tonnes
annually which was negotiated to meet the USA's World Trade Organization
(WTO) obligations. Exports below this are subject to a US4.4c per
kilogram tariff, whereas exports above this figure attract a much higher
tariff of 26.4%. For the last three years, Australia's beef exports to
the USA have been at or near the quota. Under the proposed free trade
agreement, the quota would be gradually lifted to 448,214 tonnes over an
18 year period."

But you're right about the non- tariff barriers. The RoHS directive (and
several other directives) seem to be mainly cack-handed attempts at such
a scam. They have ended up only by shafting the local industry, though.

Paul Burke

 

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<[email protected]>



** Blah blah blah....

All wild guesswork.

BTW has no-body twigged that such a auto dialler unit made *expressly* for
the 120 volt market is NOT going to have the relevant telecoms approvals for
use in Germany etc.

When I was involved with the development of a similar product,
expressly intended for the British and U.K. markets, back in 1980, the
Deutsche Bundespost was still using "safety standards" as a non-tariff
barrier to trade. Since then, things have changed a bit

"Telephone services in Germany were formerly provided exclusively by
the Deutsche Bundespost or, later, by Deutsche Telekom AG. In mid-1996,
the Telecommunications Act entered into force. This act established the
regulatory framework for a liberalization of the telecommunications
market as of Jan. 1, 1998. Since then, telecommunications have been
deregulated throughout Europe and sparked keen competition and lower
telephone rates."

** Shame how such capacitors will pass DOUBLE current when fed from 240
volts as opposed to 120 volts AC.

So what.

Shame how same US items have film cap of up to 47nF fitted from AC line to
ground.

67.7k, or 3.5mA at 50Hz and 240V

Shame how the type of film caps US makers use reliably with 120 volts fail
SHORT due to internal corona when fed by a 240 volt supply.

That would have to be a film and foil capacitor - metalised film
capacitors fail open when exposed to internal corona. It would be a
surprising choice - Farnell's list of class Y film capacitors seems to
be pretty much entirely metallised film parts, which are smaller and
cheaper than their film and foil counterparts.

This alone crates a fatal shock hazard !!!!

It might conceivably do so, if your hypotheses about the existence of
the capacitors and the nature of their construction were both correct.

Shame how Bill Sloman is FUCKING public menace.

Amusing to see Phil Allison constructing hypothetical dangers out of
his under-equipped imagination.

** Yes, it may very well be unsafe when used with an auto-transformer
stepdown.

One *cannot know* without a full and detailed inspection of the unit.

True, but this is also true of ostensibly properly certified and
certificated gear - certification officials aren't always incoruptible.

The only SAFE advice to give when this is NOT possible is to use an
isolation stepdown.

The only really safe advice to give would be to tell the OP to take the
devices back to his boss, and insist that the company buy a system
designed and certified for the German market, which a 110V powered
device obviously isn't. Sadly, the OP doesn't want to do that.

 

[Phil Allison]

"Fred Bloggs" = another AUTISTIC FUCKING ****

They are sold world-wide and imported into the US by Seven Star:
http://www.sevenstar.com/p_transformer.htm

They are manufactured in Zhejiang Province, China by this group:
http://zheneng.en.alibaba.com/

And they are retailed at low price by numerous legitimate US outlets:
http://appliances.safeshopper.com/45/711.htm?802

** None of which has ** ANY ** relevance to my *very precisely termed *
comments.

Any USA or Canadian based **web site** can offer what ever lethal piles
of ** SHIT ** they *fucking like* to any person with a valid credit card.

It completely out-foxes all European or Australian laws.


Fred Bloggs ( ???) is a Criminal Cathead WHO wouldn't know if his STUPID
FAT ASS were on fire.





.......... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"Weinberger Hans"

Do these units accept USA plugs? Are the plugs grounded? Do they
plug directly into German plug sockets? 2 or 3 German plug sockets?
What is the certification? CE, FCC etc?

** ROTFL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This Krautstein FUCKING IDIOT takes the fucking cake !!!!!!!!

He * ACTUALLY * wants advice from "lemonjuice" ?????????


What will the demented schizo Kraut prick want next ???

Herr Hitler & Goebbels to contribute their inputs ??


ROTFL ..............


ROTFLMFAO !!!






......... Phil

 

[lemonjuice]

Do these units accept USA plugs? Are the plugs grounded? Do they
plug directly into German plug sockets? 2 or 3 German plug sockets?
What is the certification? CE, FCC etc?

Thank you

Hans

Yeah American standard NEMA 5-15 and we have both CEE 7/4 and CEE
7/7. Take your choice .

CE certification is there . If you need more standards the price goes
up to $14.99 a piece.

If your management is really geared on using those units we provide
certification also for RF equipment . Reverse engineering may be
necessary!

I imagine you also have 3 phase power over there. You could take into
consideration powering the whole outfit from a single 3P transformer.
We provide those too ... but its not going to be cheap.


lemonjuice

 

[Phil Allison]

<[email protected]

So what.

** So the asinine Dutch POS **** has no idea what the safety laws say.

Nothing to a psychotic, know nothing, public safety law breaking, reckless
**** called Bill Sloman.

67.7k, or 3.5mA at 50Hz and 240V

** So the asinine Dutch **** has no idea what the safety laws say.

Nothing to a psychotic, know nothing, public safety law breaking, reckless
**** called Bill Sloman.

That would have to be a film and foil capacitor - metalised film
capacitors fail open when exposed to internal corona.

** Utterly false.

Means nothing to a psychotic, know nothing, public safety law breaking,
reckless **** called Bill Sloman.

True,

** That candid admission alone = end of debate.



Bill Sloman is a fucking Neo Nazi ****.

Bill Sloman is also a fucking public menace.

Millions of moronic, autistic egomaniac Dutch Cunts are exactly the same.

Track the SOBs down to where they live.

Exterminate.






......... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"Paul Burke"


** **** OFF - HALFWIT !!!!






......... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"lemonjuice"


** This FUCKING ASSHOLE is a criminal, schizophrenic psychotic.


Sorry for having to point out the bleeding obvious.







.......... Phil

 

[Paul Burridge]

Means nothing to a psychotic, know nothing, public safety law breaking,
reckless **** called Bill Sloman.

I wouldn't say he was reckless...

 

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<[email protected]

<snipped a more than usually contentless rant>

If we could keep on provoking the twit for long enough, he might blow a
blood vessel.

If he had any vestige of sense, he'd realise that he was being
provoked, but his perceptions of human interactions seem to be as
superficial as his grasp of electronics.

It seems a shame to lay off now, and miss a possible chance of winding
him up to the point of self-destruction, but unfortunately he seems to
have exhausted his stock of technical fantasies.

I suppose I've got a social obligation to find some other way of
rattling his cage. He does seem to think that fatuous allegations about
other people's sex lives are worth making, but who could believe that a
character with Phil's social skills could ever have a sex life?
With other human beings, that is ...

 

[Phil Allison]

"Paul Burridge" "Phil Allison"

I wouldn't say he was reckless...

** LOL !!


So the others all apply in full !!!




........... Phil

 

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"Paul Burridge" "Phil Allison"



** LOL !!


So the others all apply in full !!!

And there was I thinking that Phil thought himself infallible, and now
he is producing a gratified reaction to partial agreement from Paul
Burridge, the well-known super-guru ...

I guess Phil has to encourage any supporter he can get - beggars can't
be choosers.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Easy. Australian slaughterhouses never come up to U.S. specifications.

Build a new slaughterhouse precisely to the the U.S. specifications,
and the U.S. inspectors come out and condemn it. It was true when I was
at school with Tasmanian farmer's kids in th 1950's, and it is
apparently still true - my wife's step-mother has a couple of kids in
the business in Queensland, and when I was talking to her last month
she confirmed that the same old scam is still being used.

Oh! That's terrible abuse! They do the same horrible thing to
slaughterhouses in the US that don't pass every inspection.

On second thought, I think that they have read the sci.electronics
newsgroups, and they think that you and Phil have mad cow disease, so
they don't want to take any chances on importing infected beef.

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Fred Bloggs]

"Fred Bloggs" = another AUTISTIC FUCKING ****






** None of which has ** ANY ** relevance to my *very precisely termed *
comments.

Any USA or Canadian based **web site** can offer what ever lethal piles
of ** SHIT ** they *fucking like* to any person with a valid credit card.

It completely out-foxes all European or Australian laws.


Fred Bloggs ( ???) is a Criminal Cathead WHO wouldn't know if his STUPID
FAT ASS were on fire.

That is total nonsense; there is no safety issue with these
transformers. And there is no requirement for isolation. Feel free to
cite the safety report on the Australian incident.