Re: UK RICS report says solar takes 208 years to repay...nonsense! Help needed!

[Eeyore]

Graham is normally a quite sensible chap, but on this he's a rabid loon.
Plonk him for a week or two, and let's get on with it.....

The US obsession with guns is what's rabid ! No decent society needs widespread
gun ownership. The huge overwhelming majority of Britons don't even DESIRE gun
ownership.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Well so is 90% of Holland. And most of cambridgeshire and lincoln, and
quite a bit of Norfolk here.

So what?

Gonna just cry 'can;'t and give up?

Typical septic, No balls. Just guns..

Good point. Holland certainly knows how to makes sea defences that work. The
Thames Barrier seems to work too.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

QUESTION-
ALL YOU SMUG ANTI-GUNNERS; IF I SEE SOMEONE ABOUT TO BLOW YOUR BRAINS
OUT, DO YOU WANT ME TO SHOOT HIM FIRST, OR JUST SIT BACK AND SCORE HIM ON
MARKSMANSHIP?

Such things simply don't happen here. At least not in any significant number.
Even the criminals who may have guns don't want to use them !

You don't seem to be able to understand that our society here isn't so heavily
violence driven.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Thou shalt not commit murder.

rape

Thou shalt not commit adultery.

and take others things?

Thou shalt not covet.

Or are you

No, I just obey the law. God's and man's.

That's fine if you believe in some god *and* obey his rules.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

I'm comparing a state of the USA with a state of Europe.

You're talking crap.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Americans don't choose to pay such a high price: They are simply sold it
by top quality salesmen so they THINK they have chosen it. They haven't.
No viable alternative is ever given airtime.

Look at how Americans respond to the idea of an 'NHS' for example ! They'll all
suddenly defend the vast amounts they have to pay for health care. 15% of GDP
last time I checked.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Guns are used by gangs to establish respect

Ahem ! The word you want is "fear" methinks. Don't make it look 'respectable'.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Javelins were designed as weapons of war and only as weapons of war

Eh ?

They're just a development of spears. And spears are clearly primarily for
hunting.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Only Churchill was smart, and had a septic wife, and he conned you and
the russkies, and set you at each others throats so you would give us
the marshall plan to 'halt the spread of communism'..

The same way he bombed berlin to get hitler to bomb london instead of
the airfields and radar stations.

Errrr ..... wasn't the raid on Berlin in response to Luftwaffe bombs (later
apparently it turns out inadvertently) dropped on London ?

The Germans didn't spend much time on the radar stations since they hadn't worked
out what they actually were btw. Their own radars looked very different.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Inded. but NEVER for free. We gave all the technology - radar,computers,
atomic stuff, jet engines: Rockets they stole from the Nazis..and got it
SOLD BACK TO US. At a HUGE markup.

I don't recall us ever giving them computer technology actually.

The USA PROFITED from WWII MIGHTILY.

They did OK out of it for sure. That's one big advantage of being out of range of
the guns and bombs.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
...

Sure, let us get rid of the javelin and archery sports or make
the spears and arrows out of non-lethal foam rubber. While we're
at it, we'll need the nerf shot put and discus also. Perhaps
boxing could be changed where they aren't allowed to touch their
opponent.

Boxing is a dreadful spectacle. At least most fighting between animals has been
banned.

Graham

 

[Steve O'Hara-Smith]

About gun ! If my home was built in the middle of a 9 acres
land in Texas -as that uncle in another topic here - I'd have
lot of weappons, dogs, guards, alarms, ... and even wouldn't
sleep well.

Compare and contrast - when my home was in the middle of 40 acres
of Co. Kildare we rarely bothered to lock the door. We did have a couple of
dogs but they were pets not guards.

 

[Arnold Walker]

I think that clearly displays your psyche: White supremacist.

I bet you have never left the Americas.

There are very few actual gun killings in the UK - it used to be a dozen a
year. Its maybe in the one hundred or so now. last time I checked, Detroit
was a dozen a day.

Detroit and many of the northern cities have a gun ban......
As a matter of fact the worse one have gun bans.
Of course ,civilized folks like your self would never think of
making it a capital offense to do a crime with a gun.In stead of
strip constitional rights.....there for a reason.

 

[Andy Hall]

You're talking crap.

Graham

European Treaty.....

are you sure?

At the last count there were a very small number of factors missing
from the EU (I think it was 4-5) which would be needed to give it a
status equivalent to a country, in the same way that the comparison can
be made between the individual states of the U.S. and its federal
system.

 

[Andy Hall]

Look at how Americans respond to the idea of an 'NHS' for example ! They'll all
suddenly defend the vast amounts they have to pay for health care. 15% of GDP
last time I checked.

Graham

Except that the NHS is nothing to be proud of either

 

[Andy Hall]

Boxing is a dreadful spectacle. At least most fighting between animals has been
banned.

Graham

Implying that boxers are vegetables? Actually, come to think of it.......

 

[Neil Barker]

So your 'target shooting' guns are incapable of killing?

Did I say that ?

Nope.

You do realise how awkward and unwieldy a Morini .22 free pistol is ?
Hardly the sort of thing you can conceal, or rapidly reload.

 

[Neil Barker]

Have you got any statistics for that ?

Take your pick.

Firstly, there's the Home Office consulation document, although it only
has stats up to 2002-3:-

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/documents/cons-controls-on-firearms-
310804?view=Binary

Then there's any one of many news articles from the likes of the Daily
Telegraph quoting government stats showing the increase in handgun
crime:-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
xml=/news/2002/02/24/nguns24.xml


The handgun ban of 1998 basically did ****-all to "take handguns off
the streets" and politicians know it.

 

[Neil Barker]

p.s. most violent crime isn't handgun crime btw.

As Steve says, you do like shifting the goalposts, don't you ?

I simply asked you why handgun crime has more than tripled in the years
since handguns were banned in the UK. Your answer to that is ?

 

[Neil Barker]

Neil Barker wrote:

Which came first, target shooting or the gun ?

Irrelevant.

Which came first, playing cricket or whacking someone around the head
with a similar shaped bat ?