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Homer J Simpson

Of course, what you should have said is "I don't care about the original
topic of this thread, I'll reply to make some commentary, and cross-post
it to sci.electronics.design in addition to the original
sci.electronics.components because I'm more interested in this off-topic
stuff than in commenting in the original newsgroup about the original
post".

Sometims not saying anything is more effective than trying to chime into
every thread.

This thread belongs on sci.electronics.design and I wasn't the one who
'drifted' it.
 
M

Michael A. Terrell

Barry said:
Does that mean that possession of 555's is a felony?


Bill Sloman thinks it should be.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
 
J

John Larkin

I got the very same scores as you did (800/720) in 1993(the scoring
adjustment came a year or two after that).

I don't think the SAT is more than some rough indicator. I went to
school with a few true math geniuses, way better than me, and none of
them nailed the math part, after several tries. Taking the SAT mainly
demonstrates one's skill at taking the SAT.

John
 
J

John Larkin

One can criticise ordinary people when they believe claims for which
there is absolutely no objective evidence.
The usual criticism is to call them gullible, and point ot that they
are being deluded by religious leaders who make a nice income out of
peddling this kind of rubbish.



What are they believing in that is bigger than themselves? You've
measured a god recently?


Cartoon animations do exist. Their relation to reality isn't all that
direct, but then again, nobody is being asked to worship them, or to
support missionaries who go out and try to persuade other suckers to
worship them.


Like I said, mean people suck.

John
 
H

Homer J Simpson

How many scientific Nobel prizes has Canada scored lately? I can't
remember seeing a Canadian electronic or scientific instrument that
looks worth buying. There certainly must be some, but there's no
obvious glaring intellectual advantage that Canada's advanced social
policies have created. You may dislike Americans, but to claim the US
is short on intelligence and knowledge is, well, stupid.

Took a while to find this. Research by Americans, not by ME!

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Literacy levels among the educated must not continue recent decline

After years of hand-wringing about literacy in the United States, Congress
passed the National Literacy Act of 1991. The aim was to make improved
literacy a priority.
The federal government did a base-line assessment of national literacy in
1992. Now, the government has released the first follow-up. The results are
a big disappointment.

Overall, literacy has remained flat. In 1992, 83 percent of the population
16 and older were at basic literacy or above. That remained virtually the
same in 2003 (84 percent).

The bigger disappointment is that literacy is slipping at every level of
education. Educated Americans remain literate, but their capability in
processing complex information is declining.

That presents a quandary. Should we put our efforts into bringing the 17
percent of illiterate or barely literate adults up to basic literacy? Or
should we focus on improving the literacy of those who will graduate from
high school, college or postgraduate institutions? In an ideal world, we
would do both. But the more alarming dip is in the educated population. We
can more easily reach those individuals.

Part of the problem is that our culture is more oral and visual. With
television, cell phones, video games, etc., people increasingly deal with
flashes of information.

Educational institutions must swim upstream to get students to interpret and
analyze lengthy, difficult passages of words.

To see the problem in stark form, look at what's happened to college
graduates in the past decade.

They remain literate: 98 percent are at basic literacy or above (it was 99
percent in 1992). That looks like there's no problem. "Basic" means a person
can perform simple tasks such as interpreting instructions from an appliance
warranty or writing a letter explaining an error made on a credit card bill.

But then look at intermediate literacy or above: 84 percent are at that
level, compared with 89 percent in 1992. That's a five-point slip in skills
such as explaining the difference between two types of employee benefits,
using a bus schedule to determine an appropriate route or using a pamphlet
to calculate the yearly amount a couple would receive for basic Supplemental
Security Income.

But the biggest slip is at the proficient level: Only 31 percent are at this
highest level, compared with 40 percent in 1992. That's a nine-point slip in
mastery of complex activities such as critically evaluating information in
legal documents, comparing viewpoints in two editorials or interpreting a
table about blood pressure and physical activity.

We cannot afford to have our most educated population drop in complex
literacy levels. The task falls mostly to our schools, but they cannot do it
alone. Others, from parents to libraries, must limit the video games and
make reading fun again.

http://www.modbee.com/opinion/story/11668996p-12397206c.html
 
H

Homer J Simpson

Like I said, mean people suck.

I agree. What sort of sick, twisted scum sucking bastards lie to thousands
of people so they can steal from them and live a life of luxury while their
'believers' live in misery? Apart from Republicans that is?
 
K

kell

I don't think the SAT is more than some rough indicator. I went to
school with a few true math geniuses, way better than me, and none of
them nailed the math part, after several tries. Taking the SAT mainly
demonstrates one's skill at taking the SAT.

John
Right.
But the verbal part is even worse. In effect it's a measure of your
socioeconomic status. It's a vocabulary test.
I grew up in a roomy middle-class home with lots of books and college-
educated parents, but some kid raised in an inner-city apartment that
contains few or no books (but has of course a television) would hardly
be likely to score as well on that test, no matter how great his
native intelligence.
 
D

D from BC

Took a while to find this. Research by Americans, not by ME!

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Literacy levels among the educated must not continue recent decline

After years of hand-wringing about literacy in the United States, Congress
passed the National Literacy Act of 1991. The aim was to make improved
literacy a priority.
The federal government did a base-line assessment of national literacy in
1992. Now, the government has released the first follow-up. The results are
a big disappointment.

Overall, literacy has remained flat. In 1992, 83 percent of the population
16 and older were at basic literacy or above. That remained virtually the
same in 2003 (84 percent).

The bigger disappointment is that literacy is slipping at every level of
education. Educated Americans remain literate, but their capability in
processing complex information is declining.

That presents a quandary. Should we put our efforts into bringing the 17
percent of illiterate or barely literate adults up to basic literacy? Or
should we focus on improving the literacy of those who will graduate from
high school, college or postgraduate institutions? In an ideal world, we
would do both. But the more alarming dip is in the educated population. We
can more easily reach those individuals.

Part of the problem is that our culture is more oral and visual. With
television, cell phones, video games, etc., people increasingly deal with
flashes of information.

Educational institutions must swim upstream to get students to interpret and
analyze lengthy, difficult passages of words.

To see the problem in stark form, look at what's happened to college
graduates in the past decade.

They remain literate: 98 percent are at basic literacy or above (it was 99
percent in 1992). That looks like there's no problem. "Basic" means a person
can perform simple tasks such as interpreting instructions from an appliance
warranty or writing a letter explaining an error made on a credit card bill.

But then look at intermediate literacy or above: 84 percent are at that
level, compared with 89 percent in 1992. That's a five-point slip in skills
such as explaining the difference between two types of employee benefits,
using a bus schedule to determine an appropriate route or using a pamphlet
to calculate the yearly amount a couple would receive for basic Supplemental
Security Income.

But the biggest slip is at the proficient level: Only 31 percent are at this
highest level, compared with 40 percent in 1992. That's a nine-point slip in
mastery of complex activities such as critically evaluating information in
legal documents, comparing viewpoints in two editorials or interpreting a
table about blood pressure and physical activity.

We cannot afford to have our most educated population drop in complex
literacy levels. The task falls mostly to our schools, but they cannot do it
alone. Others, from parents to libraries, must limit the video games and
make reading fun again.

http://www.modbee.com/opinion/story/11668996p-12397206c.html
Derek Zoolander: "At the Derek Zoolander Center For Children Who Can't
Read Good And Wanna Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too, we teach you
that there's more to life than being really, really good looking."
From the movie Zoolander.
:)
D from BC
 
J

John Larkin

I agree. What sort of sick, twisted scum sucking bastards lie to thousands
of people so they can steal from them and live a life of luxury while their
'believers' live in misery? Apart from Republicans that is?

Read this

http://www.amazon.com/Who-Really-Ca..._bbs_sr_1/002-5867625-2326462?ie=UTF8&s=books


That author discovered, somewhat to his own dismay, that
self-described conservatives, Republicans, and Christians are far more
charitable, and generous to the community at large, than
self-described liberals and atheists. More likely to help others; more
likely to donate time and money to both religious and non-religious
causes; more likely to help strangers and foreigners. The least
generous people are young liberals.

I heard him on a local PBS interview. He's a sincere and committed
statistician who reported what he found.

As usual, your prejudices are at odds with reality.

John
 
J

John Larkin

Took a while to find this. Research by Americans, not by ME!

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Literacy levels among the educated must not continue recent decline

After years of hand-wringing about literacy in the United States, Congress
passed the National Literacy Act of 1991. The aim was to make improved
literacy a priority.
The federal government did a base-line assessment of national literacy in
1992. Now, the government has released the first follow-up. The results are
a big disappointment.

Overall, literacy has remained flat. In 1992, 83 percent of the population
16 and older were at basic literacy or above. That remained virtually the
same in 2003 (84 percent).

The bigger disappointment is that literacy is slipping at every level of
education. Educated Americans remain literate, but their capability in
processing complex information is declining.

That presents a quandary. Should we put our efforts into bringing the 17
percent of illiterate or barely literate adults up to basic literacy? Or
should we focus on improving the literacy of those who will graduate from
high school, college or postgraduate institutions? In an ideal world, we
would do both. But the more alarming dip is in the educated population. We
can more easily reach those individuals.

Part of the problem is that our culture is more oral and visual. With
television, cell phones, video games, etc., people increasingly deal with
flashes of information.

Educational institutions must swim upstream to get students to interpret and
analyze lengthy, difficult passages of words.

To see the problem in stark form, look at what's happened to college
graduates in the past decade.

They remain literate: 98 percent are at basic literacy or above (it was 99
percent in 1992). That looks like there's no problem. "Basic" means a person
can perform simple tasks such as interpreting instructions from an appliance
warranty or writing a letter explaining an error made on a credit card bill.

But then look at intermediate literacy or above: 84 percent are at that
level, compared with 89 percent in 1992. That's a five-point slip in skills
such as explaining the difference between two types of employee benefits,
using a bus schedule to determine an appropriate route or using a pamphlet
to calculate the yearly amount a couple would receive for basic Supplemental
Security Income.

But the biggest slip is at the proficient level: Only 31 percent are at this
highest level, compared with 40 percent in 1992. That's a nine-point slip in
mastery of complex activities such as critically evaluating information in
legal documents, comparing viewpoints in two editorials or interpreting a
table about blood pressure and physical activity.

We cannot afford to have our most educated population drop in complex
literacy levels. The task falls mostly to our schools, but they cannot do it
alone. Others, from parents to libraries, must limit the video games and
make reading fun again.

http://www.modbee.com/opinion/story/11668996p-12397206c.html

With immigration and college enrollment both at record levels, it's
not surprising that we have a declining "literacy" (meaning English
literacy) rate among citizens in general and among college students. I
walk down the street here and hear dozens of different languages being
used. Their kids will be just fine.

You are savoring the decline of America, but it really ain't
happening. So sorry.

John
 
H

Homer J Simpson

That author discovered, somewhat to his own dismay, that
self-described conservatives, Republicans, and Christians are far more
charitable, and generous to the community at large, than
self-described liberals and atheists. More likely to help others; more
likely to donate time and money to both religious and non-religious
causes; more likely to help strangers and foreigners. The least
generous people are young liberals.

I heard him on a local PBS interview. He's a sincere and committed
statistician who reported what he found.

As usual, your prejudices are at odds with reality.

No, they aren't. From Halliburton to Henry Hinn I see no liberals.
 
H

Homer J Simpson

With immigration and college enrollment both at record levels, it's
not surprising that we have a declining "literacy" (meaning English
literacy) rate among citizens in general and among college students. I
walk down the street here and hear dozens of different languages being
used. Their kids will be just fine.

'Here' is NOT the USA?
You are savoring the decline of America, but it really ain't
happening. So sorry.

Sadly it is. What can you say when the most popular 'game' show isn't
answering questions but guessing which bag to open?

When the POTUS is a mumbling idiot?

Throughout the post-World War II economic boom the American government
denied it had a literacy problem. In 1970 the Census Bureau, under pressure
from the military, reinstated the literacy question in the census for the
first time since it was removed in 1940. Due to the way it phrased the
question, the Census Bureau reported that 99 percent of all US adults could
read.

As late as the early 1980s the US reported to the United Nations that 99.5
percent of American adults could read and write. But much earlier reports
already indicated there were severe illiteracy problems in America.

The Adult Performance Level study (APL), conducted in 1975 by the University
of Texas, found that 20 percent of all US adults were functionally
incompetent, some 23 million people. In addition the report stated that 34
percent, or 39 million people, were marginally competent. The English
Language Proficiency Study (ELPS) in 1982 found 13 percent of US adults, or
17 million to 21 million people it considered illiterate.

In 1983 the US Department of Education conducted its own study revealing
that an estimated 23 million American adults were totally or functionally
illiterate. The same report found that an additional 49 million US adults
function on a level that was considered marginal.
 
H

Homer J Simpson

Read the book.

List all of the liberals running Halliburton.

Republicans fall into two camps. Those who are rich and want to keep it all.

Those who aren't rich and think being a Republican will help.

Which group is larger? Which is more generous?
 
E

Eeyore

kell said:
I got the very same scores as you did (800/720) in 1993(the scoring
adjustment came a year or two after that).

Dare I ask how it's possible to score over 100% ? It's not by any change an
attempt to massage the average figure is it ?

Talking of which the average figure someone posted is equivalent to 56% which is
pretty damn lame.

Graham
 
E

Eeyore

kell said:
Right.
But the verbal part is even worse. In effect it's a measure of your
socioeconomic status. It's a vocabulary test.
I grew up in a roomy middle-class home with lots of books and college-
educated parents, but some kid raised in an inner-city apartment that
contains few or no books (but has of course a television) would hardly
be likely to score as well on that test, no matter how great his
native intelligence.

The trouble is that nowhere I can think of is reading books presented as
worthwhile 'entertainment' any more.

Graham
 
J

John Larkin

Dare I ask how it's possible to score over 100% ? It's not by any change an
attempt to massage the average figure is it ?

A "perfect" score on the Scholastic Aptitude Test (the common
college-admissions test here) is 800.
Talking of which the average figure someone posted is equivalent to 56% which is
pretty damn lame.

That depends on how hard the questions are.


John
 
E

Eeyore

John said:
A "perfect" score on the Scholastic Aptitude Test (the common
college-admissions test here) is 800.

Where does the /720 bit come from then ?

That depends on how hard the questions are.

Call me a sceptic but I can't imagine them being too hard these days !

Graham
 
H

Homer J Simpson

Taking that somewhat further, that loops back to the original post IMHO.

How many kids have *hobbies* these days ?

I know the hams complain that no one is interested any more. And there's
little interest in 8 bit computer systems - they'd rather play with their
wii or hunt porn on the net!
 
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