Planned Obselescence....A Good Thing?

[clare at snyder.on.ca]

Rod Speed ha escrito:


Please explain how the manufacturer of a light bulb, fluorescent lamp
or CFL can provide an estimate of the lifetime of the lamp. Don´t say
"They can´t because it´s impossible". Explain exactly why it´s
impossible.

MTBF is a standard ENGINEERING concept. The fact it is not available
from many manufacturers for many products is due to the fact there is
NO ENGINEERING involved. A product is "copied" and "modified for
production".This is dictated by COST. As long as it works when it
leaves the factory, and a small sample lasts (at least a reasonable
percentage of the sample) longer than the 90 day warranty, they are
happy. As for brands and brand loyalty, who even has a clue WHO makes
90% of the consumer electronics products on the market today.
Previously quality brand names are now simply licenced and attatched
to product from unknown and unspecified offshore manufacturing
concerns. The typical North American consumer doesn't know or care who
made the product they buy, and will buy another made by the same
manufacturer, under a different name, and not have a clue. It's nice
looking, or has "gee whiz" factor, or brand cachet (they've seen it
advertized by a catchy, moronic TV ad) so they buy it.
Domestic? What's domestic? Made in Mexico? Made in Peurto Rico? Made
in Guam? Or assembled in "north America" of imported parts?
When did you last work for a domestic appliance or electronics
manufacturer that you can say they do not with authority?

And are you an engineer that you can claim with impunity that it is
impossible????

I'll give you IMPRACTICAL at today's price-point, with today's
de-centralized offshore "manufacturing" and the lack of engineering
involved in the manufacture. Have you SEEN a chinese electronics
"factory" MANY of the parts are built/assembled by totally unskilled
workers (including children) in "cottage industries" and then
assembled either in a central facility or by another "cottage
industry", then packaged and collected to a central facility for
trans-shipment to the buyer or "north american manufacturer".

There is NO quality control. You CAN get chinese goods of exceptional
quality - and from the same "manufacturer", on the same day, get an
"identical" product of such abysmal quality you would not believe it
came from the same PLANET, muchless the same supplier.
This is why REPUTABLE distributors of chinese electronics test and
repackage ALL of their product before retailing. North american
quality control can sort the GOOD stuff, which can be sold under a
particular brand name, from the "also-rans" that are sold off to
lesser brand companies to sell at a lower cost and/or to a less
discriminating clientelle.Depends what you call "mass market" If a company puts their name and a
2 or 3 year warranty on a hard drive, they have either calculated or
empirically tested the product so they KNOW what their warranty
exposure is.
If they are "selling on cost" with a 90 day warranty, nothing has been
either tested or calculated.(beyond the fact they are making enough
that they can break even if a few more than they guessed fail, and 50%
of those get back for warranty within the alotted time, and are
returned according to the warranty requirement (in original
shipping/packageing).

 

[Rod Speed]

clare at snyder.on.ca wrote

Fantastic for digital cameras though.

Yep, but you cant get rechargable AA and AAA lithiums and so
you get better life when you dont use standard format batterys.

 

[clare at snyder.on.ca]

Nope, Dilbert ain 'what really happens'


The exaggeration, stupid.

It is BASED ON FACT.

Or because its exaggerated. It is BASED ON REALITY


Nope, its an exaggeration of reality.

It is a Parody. This necessitates that there be recognisable truth.

So can Dilbert and The Office.


Nope, they exaggerate reality.

Semantics.
I say pot-ate-oh, you say poh-taght-oh

And its not true to life, its a caricature/exaggeration of life.


Sure, but thats not surprising.

What's surprising with SOME that I see working in SOME offices (the
"dilbert types" )is that they get anything at all!

 

[Andrew VK3BFA]

etc etc.

I thought this rod speed "person " was a bit too much, so did a Google
on [ "Rod Speed" troll.]

Pages of stuff.

This one is a good summary...

http://phorums.com.au/archive/index.php/t-42666.html

Andrew VK3BFA.

 

[clare at snyder.on.ca]

clare at snyder.on.ca wrote


Utterly mangled all over again. Its actually the engineers that
choose to make things in a way that minimises the cost of
manufacturer, and maximises the reliability, even if that does
produce a product that is difficult or impractical to repair if it fails.

Most obviously with plugpacks which cant be opened without
physically breaking them, and molded power cords etc.

It's the bean counters that dictate the quality or lack thereof that
makes the part failure prone in the first place, and glue is a lot
cheaper than screws. Moulded power cords, on the other hand, are not
only CHEAPER, but "more reliable" They are cheaper to make than just
the replaceable end itself because they are moulded in place.

No they dont. And thats got nothing to do with his stupid claim
about who gets to decide how things are constructed anyway.

This is getting to be like mud wrestling with a pig.

 

[Rod Speed]

clare at snyder.on.ca wrote

Nobody said anything about separate chargers.

I just did.

ANd you DO see lithium AA and AAA batteries
- they are just not rechargable lithium

Pity we happened to be discussing rechargeable batterys.

(and in fact, there ARE rechargeable Lithiums in the AA format.)
Nope.

Yes, there is. It's called "marketing" and "catch'em while you can"

Nope. Nokia for example use the same format battery
over multiple generations of their cellphones. Its actually
about a physical format that works well with cellphones.

I've actually got one that not only takes its own format battery,
but allows you to use AA batterys in an emergency, but that has
the real downside that its much thicker than current cellphones
and considerably bigger overall too.

My cordless phone does in fact use standard NiMH or NiCad AA
batterys, and its much thicker than most modern cellphones. Not as
important with a cordless which doesnt get carried around as much.

Please explain.

Its the tiny physical format that makes user changable batterys less
practical, particularly when you cant charge them outside the ipod easily.

Not if you can't get them, it isn't.

You'll be able to get them, just because of the volume of those sold.

And by the time they are, the units will be obsolete.

Who cares if they still work fine ?

I didn't say it was a conspiracy.

The OP did.

I said it was building as cheaply as possible (and often cheaper).

Have fun explaining why the absolute vast bulk of cellphones
can still be opened fine, and have replaceable covers etc.

It's the bean-counters running the shop.

Have fun explaining why the absolute vast bulk of cellphones
can still be opened fine, and have replaceable covers etc.

I've worked for a company (computer industry) that was
quite successful until a harvard MBA type started "managing"
the company. It went from profitable to 1.5 million dollars
a year loss in 18 months. Was gone in 22.

Clearly hasnt happened with Apple, Nokia, etc etc etc.

 

[John Husvar]

A whole big bunch of text and data files will
_still_ fit on a floppy. It's just that floppy drives are being replaced
by inexpensive CD and DVD RW storage that store more and have better
data retention, more or less.

Better data retention? Think again.

Hard drive/tape/floppy (as in magnetic) storage have the best lifespan.

DC/DVD storage life can be measured in just a few years.[/QUOTE]

Ach, so? I'll have to look farther into this. I'd heard some mumblings
about CD and DVD not being as lasting a storage method as they were
first thought to be.

Archival storage of data is a BIG deal that the industry doesn't like
to talk about.

Well, I suppose one could print and store all all the data records on
acid-free paper and then physically go find the ones they wanted.
Shouldn't take more than a medium-sized army of clerks and only a small
hollowed mountain range for the storage.

We could then test the adage about it requiring (some large number)
clerks working (some large number) years to make an error a computer can
make in nanoseconds too.

 

[Rod Speed]

clare at snyder.on.ca wrote

No reason subassemblies can not be replaceable.

No point when there is only one with stuff like
an ipod, electric toothbrush, cellphone etc.

Connectors today can be made extremely compact,

And still cost signifcantly more than no connector at all.

With the failure rate with PCs so low, its a complete waste of money.

and with LSI the active components can all be put
into one plug-in component worth a couple of dollars.

What they actually do is surface mount that on a single component and
allow what is needed for the owner/monkey to press to be connected etc.

SMT could still be used on the "backbone" which
could also be a low cost field replaceable part.

Why would it be low cost when its the bulk of the product
like with an ipod, a cellphone, a cordless phone, etc etc etc.

There is absolutely NOTHING that cannot be made
serviceable in the consumer electronics arena.

Yes, but what is the point of making it easy to replace the
vast bulk of the device when the failure rate is so low ?

Yes, it makes sense to have cellphone batterys readily
replaceable, and the front cover etc, because batterys
do have a limited number of recharge cycles and people
do bugger up the covers quite often, but there isnt any
point in having more than a single module with all the
electronics on it with a cellphone or even a PC motherboard.

Will it cost more? Likely Does it have to? Not necessarily.

Corse it has to over no connector at all.

Would people buy it? Smart people would.

I doubt it when they have adequate information on the failure rate.

I suspect some on this list would not.

Its not a list, they are newsgroups.

 

[Rod Speed]

clare at snyder.on.ca wrote

Conspiracy of idiocy

There is no conspiracy, just idiocy.

Explain that one.

It should be obvious what the cost of having connectors
for all the caps, resistors, ics etc would cost.

I'd love to hear the spin you can put on THIS!!!!!!

You wouldnt know what spin was if it bit you on your lard arse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[lsmartino]

Andrew VK3BFA ha escrito:

clare wrote:

I thought this rod speed "person " was a bit too much, so did a Google
on [ "Rod Speed" troll.]

Pages of stuff.

This one is a good summary...

http://phorums.com.au/archive/index.php/t-42666.html

Andrew VK3BFA.

I started to suspect that he was a troll, and you confirmed my
suspicions... *sigh*

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

Well, it can be estimated how long will a power semiconductor
run if you leave it without a proper heatsink.

Not in a domestic environment it aint, because
the ambient temperature varys so much.

I got a bit of a start relatively recently when someone was having
overheating problems with their PC to discover that they were one
of the few in this area who were silly enough to have no form of
cooling whatever, not even a swamp cooler, in an area which can
see 10 days over 40C some summers. We had one just last week
and it got to 44C, and it was like walking into a furnace walking
outside my airconditioned house.

Open any Samsung TV, for instance, to see for yourself
how important transistors are left bare, dissipatting heat
to the air. I don´t see why it should be difficult for the
manufacturer to know that these particular transistors
left overheating will fail within a finite number of hours.

There is no finite number of hours, because the
ambient temp varys so much in domestic situations.

Those who dont have any cooling at all in an area which
can see a week over 40C wont survive the warranty
period and those who have decent air conditioning will
find that the TV lasts long past the warranty period.

Also, you will notice that the same circuit will have electrolytic
capacitors near heat sources, when it´s a well known fact that
heat shortens dramatically the life of electrolytics caps.

In practice that isnt a significant problem with domestic appliances.
Essentially because you dont see many electros in that situation with them.

The manufacturer know how to properly design an electronic
circuit in order to provide a long life, but it also it knows how
to design it to fail within a short term under certain conditions,

No they dont on that silly claim about surviving the
warranty fine, but failing immediately after that expires.

and accordingly they estimate a warranty just long
enough to cover the product for a safe term, a
safe term for the manufacturer, not the user.

Have fun explaining how come not a single electronic device
I have ever owned has died just after the warranty has run out.

And that includes my latest gigantic widescreen TV too.

Of course it´s impossible to predict exactly how many years
the TV will last, but the manufacturer count with statistical
data which says, for instance, that a TV set is turned on
10 hours per day for instance, and taking that into account,
and estimating how long the weakest part of the TV will last
under these conditions, they can determine the warranty lapse.

Pity about the TVs that get left on all the time.

The claim is completely fanciful and those making that sort of
claim have obviously never actually designed a damned thing.

And only the stupidest manufacturer would deliberatly design
their product to die as soon as the warranty has expired
anyway, because the bulk of those who had bought such
a dud wouldnt be buying another from that manufacturer.

Exactly, these are estimates,

Pity the claim was about TESTING, which doesnt happen, like I said.

and most of the time very accurate,

Like hell it is. Have you actually tried converting
the MTBF of a current hard drive to years ?

specially those concerning the maximum number of startups/stops
the drive can tolerate before the heads get completely worn.

Wrong again. Its such a round number it cant have been produced
by TESTING, and the number of starts and stops dont produce
any wear of the heads with modern hard drives anyway.

I don´t want to imply that all manufacturers are dishonest per se, but
I can easily see how a given manufacturer can produce different items,
with differents level of quality of design and manufacture. And these
differences *will* impact the useful lifetime of the final product.

Separate matter entirely to the claim that they do reliability TESTING with domestic appliances.

They dont, and dont with mass market hard drives either to
produce the MTBF or the number of start stop cycles either.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

No, it wasnt a surprise - they paid me to go.

Because its cheaper for them to do that than to continue to 'employ' you.

Took ages to work it so they did.

No it didnt, they did that wholesale.

Best move I ever made, out of the loony rat race and crazy people.

They say the same things about the dregs like you who cant manage
to work out the basics on redundancy or anything else at all, either.

So I spend my time arguing with the brain dead and fixing
stuff that otherwise would go to landfill. Just my thing.

You just mindlessly bay at the moon and everyone has noticed.

Whats yours - besides being a disagreeable little prick with too much
time on their hands? Do you actually DO ANYTHING or just talk crap?

Any 2 year old could do better than that pathetic effort.

Get one to help you before posting again, if anyone is
actually stupid enough to let you anywhere near one.

 

[Mike Hartigan]

Nope, Dilbert ain 'what really happens'

Maybe you would be so kind as to explain the difference between "what
really happens" and "true".

The exaggeration, stupid.

Well, there goes any hope I had for an intelligent discussion. I'm
outta here.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

Not necessarily. They can move the charging circuit to the cell in itself.

Not practical with AA and AAA batterys being discussed.

In spades with an ipod battery.

Of course that will steal space from the chemical part of
the cell with the resultant capacity loss, but it can be done.

But isnt practical and it cant be done with an ipod battery anyway.

Thus the charger used to recharge the battery becames
inmaterial because any proper voltage source will suffice.

The problem aint the voltage source.

In fact, since lithium cells produce 3V, and a AA battery
shouldn´t produce more than 1.5V, I suspect that these
lithium cells have some form of voltage regulating circuit inside.

No they dont. They are in fact nothing like RECHARGABLE lithium technology.

If that is true, then it´s possible that in several
years that circuit will be designed to allow a
safe recharging of a lithium AA or AAA battery.

Its obvious technically possible right now given that cellphones
and ipods etc can obviously charge them fine now, and with
cellphones particularly can handle all of NiMH, NiCad and Lion etc.

The problem is that if they are in AA or AAA format, there
is nothing to stop an individual putting them in an inappropriate
charger and ending up with a massive legal liablity problem.

Take this cordless phone, for instance,

It´s designed to work with standard AAA rechargeable batteries.

So is mine. Pity it doesnt accept Lithium rechargable AAA batterys.

Also I own a Siemens C4000 cordless phone and it works with
standard AA rechargeable batteries. It can take NiCd or NiMh batteries.

So does my Panasonic, and I bought it for that reason.

It will not however accept lithium rechargable batterys.

Both of my current cellphones, Nokias, will accept all of NiMH,
NiCad and Lion batterys, but they arent AA or AAA format
because there is too much risk with that approach of someone
trying to charge the Lion batterys with a separate charger that
doesnt know how to charge Lion batterys.

So, *if* the manufacturer wants to develop a product
using standard rechageable batteries, *it can do it*.

Nope, because there is no way to stop someone putting
it in a charger that knows nothing about Lion charging.

 

[lsmartino]

Rod Speed ha escrito:

Not in a domestic environment it aint, because
the ambient temperature varys so much.

I got a bit of a start relatively recently when someone was having
overheating problems with their PC to discover that they were one
of the few in this area who were silly enough to have no form of
cooling whatever, not even a swamp cooler, in an area which can
see 10 days over 40C some summers. We had one just last week
and it got to 44C, and it was like walking into a furnace walking
outside my airconditioned house.

They can do the estimate considering an ambient temperature of 20ºC -
25ºC. Check the datasheet of any semiconductor and learn something
before you write. Any rise in the temperature will shorten the lifespan
of the product. To me, that´s a quite profitable scenario.

In practice that isnt a significant problem with domestic appliances.
Essentially because you dont see many electros in that situation with them.

Are you crazy? Have you ever seen a modern SMPS? Try to tell all us
that a SMPS (Switched Mode Power Supply, in case you don´t know what a
SMPS is) don´t HAVE electrolytics caps, and that those caps doesn´t
have a finite lifespan. Even electrolytics are classified based on
their MBTF at certain temperatures. Again, try to find the datasheet of
some electrolitycs caps, and educate yourself.

No they dont on that silly claim about surviving the
warranty fine, but failing immediately after that expires.

No one is telling that the product will explode right after the
warranty expires, but that it can be designed to fail within a short
life span, especially with cheap products.

Have fun explaining how come not a single electronic device
I have ever owned has died just after the warranty has run out.

And that includes my latest gigantic widescreen TV too.


Pity about the TVs that get left on all the time.

A TV, or a computer monitor left on all the time will last less time of
course. A CRT has a definite lifespan, and if the monitor or the TV set
is a LCD based one, the CFL bulbs used to light up the screen have a
definite lifespan. Did you knew that, Mr. Know Nothing ?

The claim is completely fanciful and those making that sort of
claim have obviously never actually designed a damned thing.

And only the stupidest manufacturer would deliberatly design
their product to die as soon as the warranty has expired
anyway, because the bulk of those who had bought such
a dud wouldnt be buying another from that manufacturer.

Tell that to the manufacturer of Coby products, for instance. They have
quite a long time selling trash that fails quite quickly.

Pity the claim was about TESTING, which doesnt happen, like I said.


Like hell it is. Have you actually tried converting
the MTBF of a current hard drive to years ?

It can be something like 15 years or more of constant use, without a
stop. And I have seen hard drives surviving at least more than 10 years
of hard work.

Wrong again. Its such a round number it cant have been produced
by TESTING, and the number of starts and stops dont produce
any wear of the heads with modern hard drives anyway.

You are wrong again. When the platters stops, the heads contact the
platters. While the platters are spinning at full speed, the heads are
separated from them by a small air cushion formed by the rotational
speed of the platter. As soon the HDD is turned off, the platters loses
speed, and eventually the air cushion dissapear, thus the heads make
contact with the platters. The same happens in reverse sequence when
the HDD starts. That´s why start / stop cicles have a definite impact
in any HDD. Have you ever wondered why a HDD last less in a home
environment than in a office environment?

Check this out http://phorums.com.au/archive/index.php/t-42666.html It
might teach you a thing or two.

 

[Rod Speed]

clare at snyder.on.ca wrote

MTBF is a standard ENGINEERING concept. The fact it is not available
from many manufacturers for many products is due to the fact there is
NO ENGINEERING involved. A product is "copied" and "modified for
production".This is dictated by COST. As long as it works when it leaves
the factory, and a small sample lasts (at least a reasonable percentage
of the sample) longer than the 90 day warranty, they are happy.

In fact with domestic appliances, the failure rate is quite
low regardless except with stuff thats used in a situation
where abuses is inevitable like with cellphones, remotes etc.

And in all modern first world countrys the stated warranty is
an entirely separate matter to the legal right to an acceptible
life out of consumer durables like fridges etc.

As for brands and brand loyalty, who even has a clue WHO makes
90% of the consumer electronics products on the market today.

The bulk of them arent even aware that the brand is ephemeral.

Previously quality brand names are now simply licenced and attatched
to product from unknown and unspecified offshore manufacturing concerns.

The typical North American consumer doesn't know or care who
made the product they buy, and will buy another made by the
same manufacturer, under a different name, and not have a clue.

But they are much less likely to buy another with the
same brand that failed just outside the warranty period.

It's nice looking, or has "gee whiz" factor, or brand cachet (they've
seen it advertized by a catchy, moronic TV ad) so they buy it.

And they dont if its the same brand as the
one that just died just outside the warranty.

Domestic? What's domestic? Made in Mexico? Made in Peurto Rico?
Made in Guam? Or assembled in "north America" of imported parts?

Used in the home, not intended to be used in trade or industrial situations etc.

When did you last work for a domestic appliance or electronics
manufacturer that you can say they do not with authority?

He made that claim, he gets to do the proving, thats how it works.

And are you an engineer that you can claim
with impunity that it is impossible????

Yep. Even the most superficial analysis of how TVs are actually
used proves that it isnt possible to ensure that those which are
left on all the time in non airconditioned homes will survive the
warranty fine and die shortly after that, and get the same result
when the TV is only used for an hour a week at most etc.

I'll give you IMPRACTICAL at today's price-point, with today's
de-centralized offshore "manufacturing" and the lack of engineering
involved in the manufacture. Have you SEEN a chinese electronics
"factory" MANY of the parts are built/assembled by totally unskilled
workers (including children) in "cottage industries" and then
assembled either in a central facility or by another "cottage
industry", then packaged and collected to a central facility for
trans-shipment to the buyer or "north american manufacturer".

Yep, and the Japs used that system ever since the war too.

It works fine.

There is NO quality control.

That is just plain wrong. They obviously dont accept the stuff
thats produced in someone's home if it hasnt been done properly.

You CAN get chinese goods of exceptional quality - and from
the same "manufacturer", on the same day, get an "identical"
product of such abysmal quality you would not believe it
came from the same PLANET, muchless the same supplier.
Sure.

This is why REPUTABLE distributors of chinese electronics
test and repackage ALL of their product before retailing.

Makes a lot more sense to test the product when its manufactured.

North american quality control can sort the GOOD stuff,
which can be sold under a particular brand name, from
the "also-rans" that are sold off to lesser brand companies
to sell at a lower cost and/or to a less discriminating clientelle.

Doesnt happen with ipods most obviously.

Its perfectly possible to have decent quality control with chinese manufacture.

Depends what you call "mass market"

Nope, it only has one meaning. What the bulk of the market ends up with.

If a company puts their name and a 2 or 3 year warranty on
a hard drive, they have either calculated or empirically tested
the product so they KNOW what their warranty exposure is.

Or they realise that they have to offer at least as good a
warranty as their competitors do, and factor in the known
field failure rate to the price that gets charged for the drives.

If they are "selling on cost" with a 90 day warranty,
nothing has been either tested or calculated.

Wrong. They obviously know what their return rate has been.

(beyond the fact they are making enough that they can break
even if a few more than they guessed fail, and 50% of those
get back for warranty within the alotted time, and are returned
according to the warranty requirement (in original shipping/packageing).

And sometimes they **** that up very spectacularly indeed like
IBM with their 75 and 60 GXPs and they get an obscene failure
rate and end up deciding to get out of the hard drive business.

Fujitsu gave up their 3.5" drives with the utter fiasco the MPGs turned into.

Maxtor went bust when they fucked that up and sold out to Seagate.

 

[lsmartino]

Rod Speed ha escrito:

Not practical with AA and AAA batterys being discussed.

In spades with an ipod battery.

Why? Because you say it? Oh please...

But isnt practical and it cant be done with an ipod battery anyway.


The problem aint the voltage source.

You say that because probably you don´t have a clue about how a
battery charger works.

No they dont. They are in fact nothing like RECHARGABLE lithium technology.

A lithium cell WILL produce 3V regardless of it´s type. A rechargeable
lithium battery or a non rechargeable one will have the same voltage
output. That´s what the chemistry produces, and you can´t reduce that
voltage chemically, so they must have some built in electronic method
to reduce the voltage to the standard 1.5 V a AA cell should produce.

Its obvious technically possible right now given that cellphones
and ipods etc can obviously charge them fine now, and with
cellphones particularly can handle all of NiMH, NiCad and Lion etc.

The problem is that if they are in AA or AAA format, there
is nothing to stop an individual putting them in an inappropriate
charger and ending up with a massive legal liablity problem.

As I stated previously, if you move the charging circuit to the cell
itself, the problem of the charger dissapears completely.

So is mine. Pity it doesnt accept Lithium rechargable AAA batterys.

I don´t care it it cannot take Lithium or Plutonium batteries. The
point here is that the phone is designed to take a standard
rechargeable battery which will be available forever, and not a
proprietary battery which surely will be non available when the need to
replace it arises.

So does my Panasonic, and I bought it for that reason.

It will not however accept lithium rechargable batterys.

Both of my current cellphones, Nokias, will accept all of NiMH,
NiCad and Lion batterys, but they arent AA or AAA format
because there is too much risk with that approach of someone
trying to charge the Lion batterys with a separate charger that
doesnt know how to charge Lion batterys.

If you move the charging circuit to the battery pack (like laptops
battery packs do), you don´t have to worry about that.

Nope, because there is no way to stop someone putting
it in a charger that knows nothing about Lion charging.

I said "standard rechargeable batteries", not LiOn. What part of that
didn´t you understood?

 

[Rod Speed]

etc etc.

I thought this rod speed "person " was a bit too much, so did a Google
on [ "Rod Speed" troll.]

Pages of stuff.

This one is a good summary...

http://phorums.com.au/archive/index.php/t-42666.html

And we can see that your previous employer decided that you were
such a complete dud that they gave you the bums rush, right out the door.

 

[Rod Speed]

Andrew VK3BFA ha escrito:

clare wrote:

I thought this rod speed "person " was a bit too much, so did a
Google on [ "Rod Speed" troll.]

Pages of stuff.

This one is a good summary...

http://phorums.com.au/archive/index.php/t-42666.html

Andrew VK3BFA.

I started to suspect that he was a troll,

Only after you got done like a dinner time after time after time.

Funny that.

and you confirmed my suspicions... *sigh*

Only in your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasyland.

 

[Rod Speed]

clare at snyder.on.ca wrote

It is BASED ON FACT.

Its an EXAGGERATION of the facts, just like any caricature/satire is.

It is BASED ON REALITY

Its an EXAGGERATION of the reality, just like any caricature/satire is.

It is a Parody. This necessitates that there be recognisable truth.

Just like with any exaggeration/caricature/satire/parody etc.

Semantics.

Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh ?

I say pot-ate-oh, you say poh-taght-oh

That isnt even semantics, its pronuncation.

What's surprising with SOME that I see working in SOME
offices (the "dilbert types" )is that they get anything at all!

There's very few THAT stupid.