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Fred Bloggs

Jerry said:
Sure. One generations SNAFU in the next's FUBAR. Those are linguistic
obscenities; who cares? Institutionalizing attitudes that encourage even
a small minority (like some Air Force cadets in the news) to think that
rape is an entitlement, or at least excuse it by saying "she wanted it"
is what I call obscene. The words aren't, but the notions are. We have
plenty of politicians whose words would raise no eyebrows in church who
are obscene to the core in the sense I meant it. Some churchmen, too.

Jerry

I consider the rape scandal to be minor compared to the
institutionalized tacit approval of murder of civilians. The most
egregious case recently publicized about those so-called Special Forces
and their murder of Vietnamese civilians is a case in point. The
individuals involved were not real Special Forces- they appear to be a
collection of truly sub-normal IQ types the Army threw together to go
behind enemy lines and harass the Vietcong. The reality was that they
avoided the Vietcong and harassed hapless Vietnamese farmers- summarily
murdering them capriciously. Their so-called actions were of absolutely
no tactical value whatsoever. There was an official investigation, and
the Army concluded that many of the acts were murder, but they went on
to conclude that prosecution would serve no useful purpose. I consider
this to be a major obscenity. Recent interviews with some of these swine
show that they have absolutely no remorse whatsoever- they did it to
survive they say. This is total BS- they are psychopaths and morons- and
the worst crime against nature was that they did survive.
 
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Jim Weir

A variant of "Better Be Ready Or Your Great Big Venture Goes West", which is the
one I have to use in a coed classroom.

Jim




Martin Eisenberg <[email protected]>
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:

->Randy Yates wrote:
->
->> Bad
->> Boys
->> Rape
->> Our
->> Young
->> Girls
->> But
->> Violet
->> Gives
->> Willingly
->
->What is *that*?
 
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Ian Bell

Who says it is American in origin - in the UK we have pretty much the same
but the last four are But virgins Get Wed. I remember being taught that at
the local Tech College when I was 14 - for some reason I found it very easy
to remember.

Ian
 
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Roger Johansson

I suppose the only patriotism that is *not* misdirected is yours?

We have such a small and insignificant country so we have no use for
patriotism, it wouldn't be worth the effort.

We have also been neutral for so long that we have not been taught to
always agree with either the west or the east.
It is easier to learn history and to think rationally about politics if you
are free to think for yourself.
I didn't know that Euro-weenieism had spread to Sweden, but it looks
like it has.

The only problem we have here is too much influence from american culture.
The tv channels seem to be full of violence in american-made movies and
tv-series. The children in the schoolyards wear baseball caps and train
karate kicks on the shorter kids.
I missed your post initially because I see that I had kill-filed you
many months ago.

Yes, I know, so I was a bit surprised to see a reply from you.

Please continue talking in acronyms. We europeans have not learned what
they mean, and we are actually not interested either.
That is a good way for you rude americans to keep your foul language to
yourself.
 
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Ian Bell

Fred said:
The mnemonic is usually taught to 18yo's for whom obscenity is a
delight, and it is also one of the more dilute obscenities to which they
will be exposed, and by institutionalized authority figures.

I don't know how the 1964 secretary of the Peterborough and District Amateur
Radio Society who taught me that at the tender age of 14 would react to
being called an institutionalised authority figure. I think his day job
was a postman.

Ian
 
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Al Clark

That seems very unlikely, considering that they speak icelandic in
Iceland.

And they have no need to talk about sex, sex organs and violence all
the time, or the possible willingness of girls.

By the way, if somebody learns enough of this color code to have any
use for it there is no need to learn any sentence to remember it.
I learned by sorting surplus resistors, looking up the colors a few
times until I knew them.

This color code is printed on the spine of the most known component
catalog in northern Europe, the ELFA catalog, and has been for many
years, so we only have to glance at the book shelf above the work
bench if we want to check our memory.

Crudity, political correctness, etc aside: You probably won't need to
teach the color code to budding techs and engineers very much longer
since thru hole parts are rapidly disappearing and resistors are marked
with numbers. The colors of modern thru hole resistors are harder to
distinguish than the old carbon comps as well and very few capacitors use
color coding at all.

And I never even met a girl named Violet......
 
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Fred Bloggs

Ian said:
Who says it is American in origin - in the UK we have pretty much the same
but the last four are But virgins Get Wed. I remember being taught that at
the local Tech College when I was 14 - for some reason I found it very easy
to remember.

Ian

That is because you have gender dysphoria and you read this is a
personally bright future in store.
 
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John Woodgate

(in said:
I don't know how the 1964 secretary of the Peterborough and District Amateur
Radio Society who taught me that at the tender age of 14 would react to
being called an institutionalised authority figure. I think his day job
was a postman.

The secretary of any ARS is an institutionalised authority figure of
high rank. Only a 3rd or higher-order god outranks. (;-)
 
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Spehro Pefhany

A system for remembering the color code for resistors. Look at the first
letter of each word, Black, Brown, Red, Orange etc..

A typical example of american culture, a combination of bad taste, violence
and foul language.

Hey, it's getting better. It was originally racist to boot.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
 
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John Woodgate

I read in sci.electronics.design that Al Clark <[email protected]>
wrote (in said:
That seems very unlikely, considering that they speak icelandic in

It must be terribly dull in Iceland then. What do they do in the long
summer evenings and the loooong winter nights? Between eruptions, of
course.
 
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Ian Bell

John Larkin wrote:

SNIP
For you:

Uni-shot

Ignitron

Distributed amplifier (I'm designing one now!)

Slideback voltmeter

Amplitron

Selsyn

Wobulator

Iconoscope

Boff diode

Rochelle salt

Rhumbatron (hint: buncher/catcher)

Lighthouse tube, acorn tube, pencil tube

Lecher wires

Magamp

Swinging choke

Super-regenerator

And:

What's the difference between an EL84, UL84 and PL84?

What did Armstrong invent?

What is a PI tank?

How do you make a phototransistor out of an OC71?

What is the formula for a parallel plate capacitor?

What is a constant K filter?

What is rhe meaning of the following classes of emission, A1, A2 and A3?

What does SSTV stand for?

What is a BALUN?

Ian
 
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John Woodgate

I read in sci.electronics.design that Roger Johansson <[email protected]>
Please continue talking in acronyms. We europeans have not learned what
they mean, and we are actually not interested either.
That is a good way for you rude americans to keep your foul language to
yourself.

AFAIK, GFY = 'Good for you'. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
 
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Oliver Betz

[dielectric absorbtion of capacitors]
Huh? What do you think these 2000 to 4000 count multimeters are all about?

Well, my wording was not precise. Dual slope converters might be used
in quantity (I don't know what multimeters use today), but I guess
there are not many new designs using it, therefore not many people
need to know how to use it to achieve good precision.

It's simple and not expensive to use an integrated sigma-delta ADC,
noise suppression is also better than dual slope. Integrated charge
redistribution SAR A/D-converters don't need a (separate) sample and
hold as R2R converters did.

It seems that today mainly audio people care about dielectric
absorbtion. Those using 20mm² silver cabling to the speakers...

Oliver
 
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John Woodgate

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
I don't remember if there was ever a commercial realization, but I
wouldn't think it would be difficult, it'd just be a percentage of
vertical.

We definitely had them in Europe, but I never owned one, being content
to keep one TV for 28 years. I'm not aware that there was a need for
frequent readjustment, and I used to service TVs for food in those days.
 
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Spehro Pefhany

What's the difference between an EL84, UL84 and PL84?

Sound like tubes.
What did Armstrong invent?
Superhet

What is a PI tank?

--x---[L]--x--
| |
--- C --- C
--- ---
| |
gnd gnd

How do you make a phototransistor out of an OC71?

Scrape the black paint off.
What is the formula for a parallel plate capacitor?

Dunno, I'd look it up. Proportional to area and dielectric constant,
inversely proportional to plate spacing, ignoring edge effects.
What is a constant K filter?
What is rhe meaning of the following classes of emission, A1, A2 and A3?

What does SSTV stand for?

Slow scan TV. Was (is?) popular with amateur radio operators.
What is a BALUN?

A transformer to go from a BALanced pair to UNbalanced input (or the
other way around), as from 300 Ohm twinlead to a 75 ohm input.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
 
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Fred Bloggs

Ian said:
What did Armstrong invent?

A paradigm for personal tragedy of the highest order:

Edwin Armstrong

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Edwin Howard Armstrong (1890-1954) American electrical engineer and
inventor. He received an undergraduate degree in electrical engineering
from Columbia University.

Edwin Armstrong was one of the most prolific inventors of the radio era,
with a vision that was ahead of his time.

Armstrong was the inventor of FM radio. He also invented the
Regenerative circuit (invented while he was a junior in college, and
patented 1914), the Super-regenerative circuit (patented 1922), and the
Super Heterodyne receiver (patented 1918). Many of Armstrong's
inventions were ultimately claimed by others in patent lawsuits.
Armstrong's life is both a story about the great inventions he brought
about, and the tragedy wherein those inventions' rights were claimed by
others.

In particular, the regenerative circuit, which Armstrong patented in
1914, was subsequently patented by Lee DeForest in 1916; deForest then
sold the rights to his patent to AT&T. Between 1922 and 1934, Armstrong
found himself embroiled in a patent war, between himself, RCA, and
Westinghouse on one side, and deForest and AT&T on the other. This
patent lawsuit was the longest ever litigated to its date, at 12 years.
Armstrong won the first round of the lawsuit, lost the second, and
stalemated in a third. Before the United States Supreme Court, deForest
was granted the regeneration patent in what is today widely believed to
be a misunderstanding of the technical facts by the Supreme Court.

Even as the regeneration circuit lawsuit continued, Armstrong created
another significant invention: frequency modulation. Rather than varying
the amplitude of a radio wave to create sound, Armstrong's method used
varying the frequency of the wave instead. Significantly, FM radio
receivers proved to generate a much clearer sound, free of static, than
the AM radio dominant at the time.

In proving the utility of FM technology, Armstrong successfully lobbied
the FCC to create an FM radio band, between 42 and 49 MHz.

In the early 1940s, shortly before and during World War II, Armstong
then helped to market a small number of high powered FM radio stations
in the New England states, known as the Yankee Network. Armstrong had
begun on a journey to convince America that FM radio was superior to AM,
and, he hoped, to collect patent royalties on every radio sold with FM
technology.

By June of 1945, the Radio Corporation of America, RCA had pushed the
FCC hard on the allocation of electromagnetic frequencies for the
fledgling television industry. Although they denied wrongdoing, David
Sarnoff and RCA managed to get the FCC to move the FM radio spectrum
from (42 to 49 MHz), to (88 to 108 MHz), while getting new television
channels allocated in the 40-Megahertz range.

Coincidentally or otherwise, this rendered all Armstrong-era FM sets
useless overnight, while helping protect RCA's strong AM radio
stronghold. Armstrong's radio network did not survive the frequency
shift up into the high frequencies; some experts believe that FM
technology was set back decades by the FCC's decision.

Furthermore, RCA ultimately claimed and won its own patent on FM
technology, and won the ensuing patent fight between themselves and
Edwin Armstrong, leaving Armstrong without the ability to claim
royalties on FM radios sold in the United States. The undermining of the
Yankee Network and patent court fight left Armstrong virtually penniless
and emotionally destroyed.

In this state, Armstrong committed suicide in 1954 by jumping out of his
apartment window, depressed by what he saw as the failure of his
invention of FM radio. It took decades after Armstrong's death for FM
radio to meet and surpass the saturation of AM, and longer still for FM
radio to become profitable for its broadcasters. Ultimately, however,
the genius of FM technology was proven by its wide adoption today.

Quotes

"Anyone who has had actual contact with the making of the inventions
that built the radio art knows that these inventions have been the
product of experiment and work based on physical reasoning, rather than
on the mathematicians' calculations and formulae. Precisely the opposite
impression is obtained from many of our present day text books and
publications." - Edwin H. Armstrong
 
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James Meyer

How do you make a phototransistor out of an OC71?

Scrape the black paint from the outside of its tiny glass test-tube
looking package.

Jim
 
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N. Thornton

Hi

A few bits remain....


I dont know either, but I've seen a 1930s opamp used for an ECG. It
took up a whole table, and the patient was connected by putting
his/her hands and one foot into 3 buckets of saltwater.

It must have been enough to raise the patients heartrate, as an opamp
running on 200v with no visible form of safety protection at all, not
even a cord grip, and the patient hooked up via saltwater buckets, is
not exactly confidence inspiring.


I think SCS is just another term for SCR.


Magic eyes come in various different shaped displays, circular
display, cross shaped, rising column, horizontal bar, etc. They were
an improvement on the earlier rising column neon indicators because
the neon's ionisation characteristics would shift, resulting in
differing indications for the same signal strength.

Much used as tuning indicators and recording level meters.


I suppose for uber-thoroughness we could mention the earliest
commercial TV, which sometimes used IF, typically of around 100kHz or
125 kHz, IIRC, and I might not. But I think in most cases TRF was
used.

2.4M 10%; 0.1 uf

It also means its quite an old resistor, maybe carbon composition,
maybe leads tarnished, maybe value drifted, maybe noisy. Ie better
avoided.


very much depoends on what 'operating is' :) As someone pointed out,
10kV could be on the cards...

HT caps were sometimes designed to work at above 'working voltage'
during warm up, during which they were required to survive but not to
perform normally.


means youre dealing with a history enthusiast. Imagine 512M of core
memory! I'm trying to remember the spacing of the cores, lets say 1/4"
x 1/4". A 512M sheet would then be about 22000 inches long on each
side. To reduce that to a cube with say 1/4" spacing between planes,
we'd get a cube of 49" on each side, a 4 foot cube. I'm surprised, as
that sounds doable. Why then did many core memory computers come with
just 1k?

For you:

Uni-shot

Ignitron

a valve, not certain if its a rectifier or a thyratron, probably the
latter.
Distributed amplifier (I'm designing one now!)

do tell.
Slideback voltmeter

Amplitron

Selsyn

Wobulator

Oscillator with oscillating frequency: were they used to test rf
alignment?
Iconoscope

Thats going back a way.
Boff diode

Rochelle salt

piezoelectric crystal used for crystal pickups. Fragile and
hygroscopic. High V high Z output, and distorted.

Rhumbatron (hint: buncher/catcher)

optical multiplier??

Lighthouse tube, acorn tube, pencil tube

miniature valves
Lecher wires

Magamp

magnetic amplifier, basically a choke that can be saturated by a
control winding, thus modulating the current in the power windings.
Swinging choke

At high i the choke went into saturation, offering low inductance.
At low i the choke was out of saturation, offering V_dropping
inductance.
The result was partial stabilisation of supply Vout.
Super-regenerator

Reaction receiver driven into oscilation with quenching used to stop
the oscillation, thus allowing extremely high rf gain without it going
fully out of control. Early super-regen sets typically used 10kHz as
the quenching frequency, and basically relied on the fact that old
horns couldnt reproduce the 10kHz.

Now there were some even more obscure ones, Flewelling probably being
a relatively well known one.

If I had nothing better to do in life I'd build a super regen reflex
set, with the audio providing the quenching for the superregeneration.
The ultimate in insanely unstable design strategies, and the ultimate
in gain per valve. 1 stage Gain of 20,000 at rf, then some more at af.
Makes reaction sets look rock steady.


Regards, NT
 
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