No Time Left For VCRs?

[krw]

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Since movies aren't a life necessity,

Apparently too late for this advice but, don't be an ass.

it's hardly important whether
every last one is available on DVD. What if you dupe only those that
aren't available on DVD yourself, or just accept that you don't really
need a library of every movie you've already seen once.

If I bought the movie I'm intending to watch it more than once (and
have most likely already seen it). If you could read you'd have
already understood that I BOUGHT THE VCR BECAUSE WE HAVE MOVIES
THAT WE DO WATCH, MANY TIMES, AND THEY CANNOT BE COPIED TO DVD WITH
OUR DVD RECORDER. Understand now?

<what a maroon>

 

[krw]

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Apparently too late for this advice but, don't be an ass.


If I bought the movie I'm intending to watch it more than once (and
have most likely already seen it). If you could read you'd have
already understood that I BOUGHT THE VCR BECAUSE WE HAVE MOVIES
THAT WE DO WATCH, MANY TIMES, AND THEY CANNOT BE COPIED TO DVD WITH
OUR DVD RECORDER. Understand now?

<what a maroon>



Its usenet.. Someone is always going to complain about what you say. Just
don't worry about it.

Not worried at all, though true 'nuff. ...and they tend to be as
illiterate as "email".

 

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lifespan.

Depends on what you consider a good lifetime. My earliest VHS tapes became
unusable some time ago due to oxide shedding. At I suppose about 20 years
old. Same sort of thing applies to early pro formats - assuming you can
find a working machine to play them on.

The oldest 2" quad broadcast we've played in the last 3 years was from
1969. Most reels over 30 years old require a trip through the
dehydrator of 13 hours at 135 F

Not my experience with home burned CDs. Have some giving problems at less
than 10 years old which was a guess figure. Commercial ones use different
media.  

I have some 10 year old CD recordables that played fine last month - I
was a little surprised.

My 10 year old CDs were burned at 2X as that was all I had at the
time.

Trouble is you'll not know which make is best until after the problems

Maybe. But anything which requires such frequent backing up isn't really
much use for archiving.

I trust flash storage least of all but I have no hard data to support
my bias.

Archiving digital is NOT a trivial problem.

G²

 

[GregS]

The oldest 2" quad broadcast we've played in the last 3 years was from
1969. Most reels over 30 years old require a trip through the
dehydrator of 13 hours at 135 F


I have some 10 year old CD recordables that played fine last month - I
was a little surprised.


My 10 year old CDs were burned at 2X as that was all I had at the
time.


I trust flash storage least of all but I have no hard data to support
my bias.

Archiving digital is NOT a trivial problem.

G=B2

They archieved the first moon walk in digital format, but erased the tape.
That does not hold up well at all..
Actually somebody found an analog real time recording of that, but
I have not heard if they were able to play the tape back.

I know many of the old floppies do not work any more. I have tons I need to throw
away. I still get request to archieve the real big floppies and Beta tapes.

greg

 

[GregS]

Hows that horse and buggy working out fur ya????

If nothing else a VCR can be used as an automatic volume control for audio.
Great for TV. Feed it in, and take it out while in rec mode,.
I remember the first HI FI VCR I had with a 100 buttons, sliders. You could
even take off the compression. I had started recording just audio on it.
I still have a bunch of early 80's HBO concerts on tape. Including the Who's
last performance. That was the early 80's i said.

greg

 

[Roger Blake]

Hows that horse and buggy working out fur ya????

How is that dormant organ rotting between your ears working "fur" you?

 

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Apparently too late for this advice but, don't be an ass.


If I bought the movie I'm intending to watch it more than once (and
have most likely already seen it).  If you could read you'd have
already understood that I BOUGHT THE VCR BECAUSE WE HAVE MOVIES
THAT WE DO WATCH, MANY TIMES, AND THEY CANNOT BE COPIED TO DVD WITH
OUR DVD RECORDER.  Understand now?

<what a maroon>

I understood fine, you have an illogical stance that rewatching the
same movies is more important than it really is, and that because you
bought one device that won't dupe, that is some kind of argument
against using a different device that can. Name-calling at that point
was irony.

 

[krw]

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I understood fine,

Then the only possible conclusion is that you're stupid.

you have an illogical stance that rewatching the
same movies is more important than it really is, and that because you
bought one device that won't dupe, that is some kind of argument
against using a different device that can.

You really are illiterate. I said no such thing.

Name-calling at that point was irony.

No, it's called "honesty". Not only are you illiterate, you really
*are* stupid.

 

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Then the only possible conclusion is that you're stupid.


You really are illiterate.  I said no such thing.


No, it's called "honesty".  Not only are you illiterate, you really
*are* stupid.

It's called honesty if anyone asked for your opinion. I'm doubting
that happens often.

 

[Ron]

TV. Besides, where will you get tapes? They're going away fast.

A nasty rumor only. I can get tapes easily in 8 hour three packs and
single six hour tapes for $1.99 apiece at Walgreens as well as other
stores like Safeway and Target; there never seems to be any shortage.
I suppose that IF there does come a day that VHS tapes become as
extinct as the dinosaurs and the dodo bird, *then* I'll switch to
something else, but not until that day comes.

Ron

 

[krw]

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It's called honesty if anyone asked for your opinion. I'm doubting
that happens often.

What a dumb shit you are. This is a public forum. By the way,
*YOU* replied to my post.

Your mother must be embarrassed.

 

[GregS]

A nasty rumor only. I can get tapes easily in 8 hour three packs and
single six hour tapes for $1.99 apiece at Walgreens as well as other
stores like Safeway and Target; there never seems to be any shortage.
I suppose that IF there does come a day that VHS tapes become as
extinct as the dinosaurs and the dodo bird, *then* I'll switch to
something else, but not until that day comes.

I started recording movies on TV years ago and I don't think I ever
rewatched any. I think I have a copy of a half hour HBO cartoon special
my neighbor made in his basement. I do need to check that out. Just
thought of it.

greg

 

[Ron]

I started recording movies on TV years ago and I don't think I ever
rewatched any. I think I have a copy of a half hour HBO cartoon special
my neighbor made in his basement. I do need to check that out. Just
thought of it.

greg

if you are a rabid videophile like me, the problem is that eventually
have more tapes than you have time to look at all of them again. If
they get labeled, then no problemo when you want to find something.
But too many were hastily recorded and not labeled, or worse: the glue
on the label evaporated and the label fell off never to be found
again-- then things get hairy. Now where did I put that Doctor Who
movie... ;-(

Ron

 

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I rather like the new digital pictures being broadcast these days, but
I have to wonder what is going to happen with all of those VCRs that
people love to set for delayed programming--- andthere are a lot of
folks who do tape shows while away or at work-- when June 12 rolls
around and VCR tuners won't be able to tune into the new digital
signals?

Ron

Standard VCRs with NTSC tuners will work just fine with digital
signals. I have my Panasonic PV-V4022 VCR connected to Time-Warner
cable (analog expanded basic); no cable box. It works just as well as
it always has; further, I am expecting it will work without hitches
after 06.12 as well. My RCA XL100 CTC185 19" TV is also connected to
cable and also operates flawlessly. Time Warner Cable has informed its
subscribers many times that if your TVs, VCRs, etc. are connected to
their cable service, there is absolutely nothing to do or to be
concerned about when 06.12 rolls around; your equipment will work just
as it does now, even when all TV is digital. The reason your sets will
work on cable is that the cable operator will convert the ATSC digital
signals to NTSC if necessary (in a lot of cases, this will have to be
done for most sets in their service area, as most people still have
analog televisions). Time Warner Cable will handle the conversion by
means of a small box containing an ATSC->NTSC converter; at least
that's what I was told by a TW representative. I live in a 12-unit
apartment building; I wondered how the ATSC->NTSC conversion would be
done. The representative told me Time Warner will install a small box
on the roof of the building, the purpose of which will be to convert
digital (ATSC) signals on the cable to NTSC. I think the same thing
(or something similar) will be done for home connections as well.

Kind regards,

Jeff Strieble, WB8NHV
Fairport Harbor, Ohio USA

 

[GregS]

Standard VCRs with NTSC tuners will work just fine with digital
signals. I have my Panasonic PV-V4022 VCR connected to Time-Warner
cable (analog expanded basic); no cable box. It works just as well as
it always has; further, I am expecting it will work without hitches
after 06.12 as well. My RCA XL100 CTC185 19" TV is also connected to
cable and also operates flawlessly. Time Warner Cable has informed its
subscribers many times that if your TVs, VCRs, etc. are connected to
their cable service, there is absolutely nothing to do or to be
concerned about when 06.12 rolls around; your equipment will work just
as it does now, even when all TV is digital. The reason your sets will
work on cable is that the cable operator will convert the ATSC digital
signals to NTSC if necessary (in a lot of cases, this will have to be
done for most sets in their service area, as most people still have
analog televisions). Time Warner Cable will handle the conversion by
means of a small box containing an ATSC->NTSC converter; at least
that's what I was told by a TW representative. I live in a 12-unit
apartment building; I wondered how the ATSC->NTSC conversion would be
done. The representative told me Time Warner will install a small box
on the roof of the building, the purpose of which will be to convert
digital (ATSC) signals on the cable to NTSC. I think the same thing
(or something similar) will be done for home connections as well.

Kind regards,

Jeff Strieble, WB8NHV
Fairport Harbor, Ohio USA

The converter box will convert digital to NTSC. It has nothing to do with the company
except being able to select a channel. It seems like most all the NTSC channels
are also in HDTV which I can get. When the conversion takes place I quess
the analog channels will disappear, but I guess the cable company could
switch those channels back to NTSC and rebroadcast them. That some
how seems SO stupid, all they should do is transmit them digitally for the NTSC
conversion. They can also send the channels over the cable in digital and the box will convert
to NTSC.

NTSC tuners receiving digital after the turnaround on the cable
without cable box, I don't think so.
Not unless they broadcast it in NTSC format over the cable.

greg

 

[UCLAN]

A nasty rumor only. I can get tapes easily in 8 hour three packs and
single six hour tapes for $1.99 apiece at Walgreens as well as other
stores like Safeway and Target; there never seems to be any shortage.
I suppose that IF there does come a day that VHS tapes become as
extinct as the dinosaurs and the dodo bird, *then* I'll switch to
something else, but not until that day comes.

VHS tapes - and SVHS for that matter - are readily available in several
lengths and formulas from quite a few online vendors. Anything from Sony
Broadcast Quality to el-cheapo bulk.

 

[UCLAN]

Standard VCRs with NTSC tuners will work just fine with digital
signals.

WHY are some still confused?

The transition from analog to digital - mandated by Congress and the FCC -
has NOTHING to due with cable. Your VCR still works because it is still
receiving ANALOG signals, not digital. Even if your cable company goes
100% digital, the RF/composite/S-video outputs of the STB are all ANALOG.
And with an optional Terapix box, all digital cable channels are converted
back to analog to satisfy those that don't want a STB.

The analog->digital transition mandate is ONLY for OTA transmissions.

 

[GregS]

WHY are some still confused?

The transition from analog to digital - mandated by Congress and the FCC -
has NOTHING to due with cable. Your VCR still works because it is still
receiving ANALOG signals, not digital. Even if your cable company goes
100% digital, the RF/composite/S-video outputs of the STB are all ANALOG.
And with an optional Terapix box, all digital cable channels are converted
back to analog to satisfy those that don't want a STB.

The analog->digital transition mandate is ONLY for OTA transmissions.

Its a fact both my cable boxes, are both digital, but only one is HDTV capable.
None have a digital output.

The idea is also to have all HDTV eventually. I guess one day the digital
channels will go off the air with NTSC bandwidth specs. and only leave digital HDTV ???

If I select a digital HDTV channel and try to watch it on an old set,
whats going to happen ?? This is with video in, but how about
antenna in ??

 

[UCLAN]

Its a fact both my cable boxes, are both digital, but only one is HDTV capable.
None have a digital output.

I have yet to see a cable HDTV STB that didn't have either a DVI or HDMI
output. Model?

The idea is also to have all HDTV eventually. I guess one day the digital
channels will go off the air with NTSC bandwidth specs. and only leave digital HDTV ???

Huh? I don't comprehend.

If I select a digital HDTV channel and try to watch it on an old set,
whats going to happen ?? This is with video in, but how about
antenna in ??

"Video in" from a cable box is analog, so it will be OK. "Antenna in" is
also analog if coming from your cable box, or a digital->analog converter
for your antenna.

 

[GregS]

I have yet to see a cable HDTV STB that didn't have either a DVI or HDMI
output. Model?

I think there is a DVI ont the HD box.

digital HDTV ???

Huh? I don't comprehend.

Digital with standard lines/frequency.

"Video in" from a cable box is analog, so it will be OK. "Antenna in" is
also analog if coming from your cable box, or a digital->analog converter
for your antenna.

Right now I have the RGB going to my new LCD HDTV works fine in HD mode.
If I connectec video to my old 36 inch CRT Toshiba, its
not going to recognize the new formats.

greg