Maker Pro
Maker Pro

No Time Left For VCRs?

G

GregS

Copy protection?


I actually did some converting and editing a couple years back. Editing
and compiling on a computer is time consuming, allthough
you can take important sections out of tapes and eliminate crap,
time saving when viewing. I bought $650 Sony cancorder that had video inputs
which I connected to the VHS machine, fed by Firewire into the computer.
Wallmart had converters cheap as $80 a couple years back, but after I
started using my Sony. Some VHS converters have a built in hard disk so you can edit
then burn to DVD.
 
G

GregS

Absolutely! My DVDR refuses to copy prerecorded tapes.

I guess it records blank tapes !


I said recorded. Not pre recorded.

Who needs to record a bought movie. Get the high resolution DVD.
 
K

krw

I actually did some converting and editing a couple years back. Editing
and compiling on a computer is time consuming, allthough
you can take important sections out of tapes and eliminate crap,
time saving when viewing.

Editing certainly is time consuming. Useful, if painful, for
personal video, not so much for commercial tapes.
I bought $650 Sony cancorder that had video inputs
which I connected to the VHS machine, fed by Firewire into the computer.

If I were to do any, I'd rather capture on the computer directly.
Wallmart had converters cheap as $80 a couple years back, but after I
started using my Sony. Some VHS converters have a built in hard disk so you can edit
then burn to DVD.

But refuse to copy some prerecorded tapes. My Lite-On DVD-R throws
up the equivalent of an FBI notice when I tried.
 
U

UCLAN

Dave said:
VCRs never mangle tapes? Someone records over what you wanted to keep? You
can't find the tape something you want is on?
Of course with good housekeeping those can be minimised - but a PVR does
all that for you.

Answer for the above: NO, not for me.

A tape can suffer your above scenarios, but it is avoidable by the user.
A DVR erasing or "losing" a recording is random and the fault of the DVR.
No matter how careful a user is, the DVR *will* make recordings go "poof."
 
U

UCLAN

Roger said:
Don't need a "PVR," "DVR," or whatever other name you want to give those
useless gadgets. VCRs have meet my needs perfectly for decades and I see no
reason to change.

How do you record HD programming? In SD?
 
U

UCLAN

krw said:
Great plan, but there are titles that are still only (have ever
been) available on VHS.

Plus, Panasonic's new DMP-BD70V will upconvert VHS to 1080p via HDMI.
 
G

GregS

Nothing like having a DVR erase or "lose" a recording before you have a
chance to view it. Never happens with my VCRs.

My DVR, a Sony digital TAPE camcorder will not loose a recording but the tape could get
screwed up. Digital tape is also a storage medium.

greg
 
I have no interest in HD programming.

If you watch major network TV, they're only giving you HD in
primetime. Granted your converter box will down-convert the HD to SD
which you can use with all the older gear.

I assume you've seen HD operating properly. It doesn't do _anything_
for you?

We watched Nature last night on PBS. Those Yellowstone shots sure are
impressive in HD

 
G

GregS

Plus, Panasonic's new DMP-BD70V will upconvert VHS to 1080p via HDMI.

Thats interesting. One thing I have been looking into
is converting HDTV to my standard NTSC video input on my Toshiba 36 inch tube TV.
The TV had a great picture and it was more than capable of reproducing
standard definition broadcast and room to spare.

greg
 
Move on ??????????
Dump about 80 bought titles(Disney,Stargate,Asterix,etc,etc,etc) and
numerous recorded ones?
Or do you have a reliable way of digitizing commercial tapes?
One which avoids the drm mangling?
If so, I would gladly convert, but I estimate 3-6 month hard work.

If not, its worthwhile to keep a VCR around.

Hard work? If these videos are worth keeping, they're worth the 2
hours (mostly unattended) to capture to a PC, 5 minutes to cue them
all up in a conversion application for the target output (if the
machine wasn't fast enough to do this in realtime, which modern dual +
core processors easily are, and another few minutes to put onto DVD or
whatever.

What's the alternative? You feel magnetic tape won't degrade sitting
around for years longer?
 
[email protected] says...>





Good grief.




Learn to read.


Learn to read.  1) Not all titles have been made available on DVD.
2) Why should I (have to) buy another copy of what I already have a
license for? 2a) I would, but see 1).

Since movies aren't a life necessity, it's hardly important whether
every last one is available on DVD. What if you dupe only those that
aren't available on DVD yourself, or just accept that you don't really
need a library of every movie you've already seen once.
 
I actually did some converting and editing a couple years back. Editing
and compiling on a computer is time consuming, allthough
you can take important sections out of tapes and eliminate crap,
time saving when viewing. I bought $650 Sony cancorder that had video inputs
which I connected to the VHS machine, fed by Firewire into the computer.
Wallmart had converters cheap as $80 a couple years back, but after I
started using my Sony. Some VHS converters have a built in hard disk so you can edit
then burn to DVD.

Yes, time consuming, but only if you insist on doing so instead of
just duping into another format, then it becomes mostly unattended
time.
 
My experience says magnetic tape has rather a longer life than home burned
DVDs, etc. I reckon you're lucky if they last 10 years without developing
errors.

Quite a problem, archiving. So far properly stored film seems to have the
longest life.

Magnetic tape, stored in a good environment, does have good lifespan.
Even so, a lot of tapes are probably several years old at this point
so the remaining alternative is duping back to tape again, or another
method. We can't really know if today's DVDs will last 10 years or
not, since they've not been around 10 years and accelerated testing
tends to use perfect samples and suggests far longer. I would tend to
trust data on a slow burnt DVD more than a CDR since they are encased
on both sides, providing they're not set in strong sunlight a long
time. Either way, a good strategy would be to make two copies, each
on different lot, different brand of media.

Another option these days might be flash storage. Considering the low
resolution of VHS, videos with typical compression shouldn't be very
large, so $1/GB flash prices we're starting to see these days could
allow for reliable storage at reasonable cost (if it's worth backing
up at all, anything that can't be had on a retail DVD). In 10 years
when the flash storage retention rating has expired, flash memory will
be that much cheaper per GB.
 
My thoughts exactly on the DVD vs VHS debate. Sure the qulaity isn't there,
but it is passable for watching. Its definately better than youtube.

Are you comparing Apples:Apples? Watching VHS on a high-res computer
monitor or on a low-res. CRT TV? What I've seen of VHS input on a
computer monitor looked terrible, while computer output to a TV looked
pretty good even if it's utube. VHS is passable, but barely once you
get used to better.
 
Top