Need Advice For Packaged Home Alarm Purchase

[Mike]

I'm going to buy A hardwired perimeter system w/ motion sensors and fire
alarms, Robert.
Why do I need glass breakers if the windows are alarmed? What's the model
number of the
GE system you like?

Mike

 

[R.H.Campbell]

I don't "like" the GE system at all; IMO, it's simply the best of a bad lot
because of the remote dialer....

Glassbreaks are most useful if you have areas with a wide expanse of glass,
and the glass is the older single pane type glass. Newer double pane windows
are considerably harder to break, and when they do, they make a noise like a
rifle shot. As such, it has been my experience (at least in our relatively
peaceful part of the continent), they don't break them during residential
breakin's. The most I've seen them do is pry them open if they have not been
fully closed and locked (but then, I don't install in downtown LA
either.....(...)

Commercial installations are quite the opposite however, and glassbreaks are
almost a must in most every commercial situation. I've seen them break a
$1000 plate glass window to see if there's any money in the cash drawer
(even though I told the guy to always leave it open in plain site of the
window....). I've taken to making up a sign for the very few commercial
clients I have left (after I got rid of most of them), that says "No cash on
premises after hours"

My .02 cents...

RHC

 

[Jim]

Easy there, grams.

Shut your loose lips. Keep them shut ........ and it ends.

You start with your wise ass remarks then complain when I slap back
Then it's WHINEY! WHINEY! WHINEY!
If you don't like what I say or do here ..... too fucking bad.
You feel you can't resist making a wise as remark?
And then you tell ME to grow up? Yeah sure!
Keep it up and you'll get it shoved right back up your fat ass.


End it or not.
You're easy.

 

[Robert L Bass]

How are windows wired for alarms these days?

The usual approach is to install magnetic sensors ("contacts") on
all accessible windows. These can be recessed or surface mount.
I carry a fairly broad range of them in my online store. Browse
around this link to learn a little about the different types:

http://bassburglaralarms.com/category_36.htm

They don't use tape anymore?

I know.

You can add a measure of protection against someone smashing the
glass by installing glass break detectors. Some installers love
glass breaks and others hate them. I've had good results with
IntelliSense (now Honeywell) glass breaks on my own installations
as well as lots of DIY jobs. Here's another link:

http://bassburglaralarms.com/category_41.htm

Hope that helps.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com

 

[alarman]

Shut your loose lips. Keep them shut ........ and it ends.
Um...no.

You start with your wise ass remarks then complain when I slap back

Slap? You...slapped? how cute.

Then it's WHINEY! WHINEY! WHINEY!
If you don't like what I say or do here ..... too fucking bad.

I don't care what you say here.

You feel you can't resist making a wise as remark?
And then you tell ME to grow up? Yeah sure!
Keep it up and you'll get it shoved right back up your fat ass.

You're simply sport, grams.
js

 

[Robert L Bass]

Mike, do you want to do business with people that don't give a Shit about
Russ makes an excellent point here. Regardless who your supplier
is, you want do deal with someone who evidences an interest in
you and your needs -- not just a desire to close the sale.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com

 

[Robert L Bass]

I'm going to buy A hardwired perimeter system w/ motion

sensors and fire alarms, Robert.

Good choice.

Why do I need glass breakers if the windows are alarmed?

Glass break detectors add an extra measure of protection against
someone smashing a window or sliding door to gain entry. They
can be a useful add-on though they are not primary detection.
Like motion detectors, they add some protection.

The primary concern is a full perimeter. You've decided to
install contacts on all doors and accessible windows. That
should be the baseline of residential security. Motion and glass
breaks are a good way to augment that if they fit in the budget.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com

 

[Jim]

Robert, I'm thinking hardwired is the way to go for all doors and first
floor windows with motion sensor in basement, fire alarm on first
floor.

Mike, I'm just going to comment on one item here.

Why would you only put a smoke detector on the first floor? What if a
fire started on the second floor. It could take an hour before the
smoke layered down to the detector on the first floor. If you were
sleeping, you'd never wake up.

Minimum recommendation is one on each level. Then as augmentation, heat
detectors by heating/cooling systems. Electrical breaker box. Laundry,
kitchen, garage and attic. Not that you NEED to do it all, but minimum
of one smoke on each level should be considered or at least provisions
to pull the wires now, while wires are being pulled and you can get the
rest installed , or do it yourself,( with some direction) at a later
date. You're system will have to be reprogramed to send fire signals at
that time, also.

What do glass breakers do? If the windows are hardwired are
glass breakers still needed? No shrubs obstacting view to front
basement windows.


What does it mean? Installing separate line for alarm?
What's to stop somebody from breaking through a hard wired door or
window then pulling the keypad off the wall?
Wil;l that disable the alarm? Some months ago I was stunned watching a
show where professional buglars broke into
houses then they came back pointing out what needed to be fixed to
make the house secure meanwhile every yahoo
who watched the show learned professional burglar techniques, actually
that show motivated me to get an alarm.
If I'm watching that show I'm sure a lot of neer do wells watched it
too.

It's called ....... "To Catch a Thief". and it's done a lot for
informing the public about
what it's really like to be burglarized ...... and as you can imagine
...... is done alot for
us guys too.

 

[Jim]

Slap? You...slapped? how cute.


I don't care what you say here.


You're simply sport, grams.

Do you like it as much as the sport you perform on your knees ........
fat man?

 

[alarman]

Do you like it as much as the sport you perform on your knees ........
fat man?

Nah, this is more fun than installing carpet mats.
js

 

[Jim]

Nah, this is more fun than installing carpet mats.

Yeh, Likity lips, but you know that it's not the carpets. You'd take
any job that'd put you on your knees.

 

[alarman]

Hey, grams, isn't it past your bed time? You're up kinda late.
js

 

[Jim]

Hey, grams, isn't it past your bed time? You're up kinda late.
js

Hmmm, I guess you've already been to bed with your favorite guy by now.

Were you the receiver again?

 

[Crash Gordon]

Other minor reasons to do the windows...

Kids/teenagers sneaking out/in.

You leave for vacation and arm your system, but leave two upstairs windows
opened and then it rains for 4 days while your away.

Or the racoons get in and eat everything..too small to trip the 80lb pet
avoidance motions




| interesting questions, Russ. I started thinking I want to protect the
house
| while I'm away.
| After thinking about it some and reading your postsa and others I believe
I
| need .to protect the occupants
| and what's inside the house. Window and door alarms are a must.
|
| Mike
|
| | >
| > | >>
| >> | >>
| >>> What?? Am I the only one that still does windows?
| >>>
| >> Most of the companies I talked with say movement sensors are enough.
| >> What's your opinion?
| >>
| >> Mike
| >>
| > The companies you're talking to, want to be in & out of your house in
four
| > hours or less... Question: have any of the companies you've talked to
| > given a rats ass about what you want, and what your concerns are?
| >
| > Example: Mr. Mike, are you more concerned about a burglary taking place
| > while you and your family are home? Or, are you purchasing the system to
| > protect your property (TV's, Stereo, computer, etc. etc..)? Or lastly,
are
| > you purchasing the system because you're concerned about your family's
| > safety, and the protection of your personal property? Your answers to
| > these questions will determine how your system should be designed.
| >
| > Mike, do you want to do business with people that don't give a Shit
about
| > you and your loved ones??? You see, security isn't just about price and
| > brand name recognition... It's about building relationships and TRUST...
| > Think about that before you sign on the dotted line............
| >
| > Best of luck,
| > Russ
| >>
| >>
| >
| >
|
|
|

 

[alarman]

Hmmm, I guess you've already been to bed with your favorite guy by now.

You're my favorite guy, pops. Can't you tell?
js

 

[Mark Leuck]

Jim is gay but hasn't come out yet

Jim,

I'm not trying to be an A*****E, but I've noticed you have a strong
fascination with gay men... What's up with that????????????

Russ

 

[Mr.Double-sided tape]

Makes you wonder if Frank gets a chuckle reading posts like this being
he (Frank) is often accused of rattling off the same shit day after day
after day after day.

Top-notch technicians arguing over which one is the pitcher and which
one is the catcher in the land of Gayville.
I love a flame fest more than anyone here, and I post more worthless
shit than everyone combined, but you characters need to shut the ****
up and let it die already.
Nobody here believes you are fags, or poorly-skilled technicians.
Save the bandwidth for something more entertaining like UFO sightings,
a Robert Campbell firearms post, The Testimony, or Belgian headphones.
The back and forth insults would be bearable if they were humorous but
Good Lord you old geezers are about as amusing as a pitchfork rectal
thermometer.
Try that ignore feature you folks are always harping about.
Group hug time.

 

[Mike]

Alright, I have them install smoke alarms on each level. I was thinking
keave the battery
operated alarms in basement and 2nd floor.

correct job of installing line exclusion

What is a line exclusion?

Mike

 

[Mike]

My house has double glass windows w/ no glass patio door.

Mike

 

[Mike]

Thanks

Mike

Good choice.


Glass break detectors add an extra measure of protection against
someone smashing a window or sliding door to gain entry. They
can be a useful add-on though they are not primary detection.
Like motion detectors, they add some protection.

The primary concern is a full perimeter. You've decided to
install contacts on all doors and accessible windows. That
should be the baseline of residential security. Motion and glass
breaks are a good way to augment that if they fit in the budget.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com