Lead free solder - exposed in a UK national newspaper

[JosephKK]

That's exactly why my head is telling me it was alpha; I remember thinking
how silly this all was when the radiation probably wouldn't penetrate the
wood beneath the chassis. I would have thought that if it was beta, some
of it would penetrate wood, and of course gamma would go right through.
But then, I wasn't paying careful attention, and I could certainly be wrong.

So we can learn to be more Chinese, one country, two systems.

 

[Arfa Daily]

Thanks for that, Jeff.

I really wish I'd read that before breaking the bulb! ;-)

At the time, I just did what seemed like the best thing
to do, but I only got it about half right.

Nice trick, to use duct tape instead of a vaccuum cleaner.
Now I need to put a new vacuum cleaner on my shopping list.
Thing is, I have 2 of them, and I don't remember which one
I used to clean it up! I assumed that because I didn't see
any mercury, I was just vacuuming up a few tiny bits of
glass. Bummer.


It was huge. I'm not sure now, but it might have been a 150 watt equiv.

Fortunately, I've already been through the heavy metal detox thing,
and know how to flush the stuff out of my body pretty quickly. (As
in a couple of years.) Metallic mercury isn't so bad, as compared
to methyl mercury. I was amazed at how quickly I started feeling
better after I had my mercury fillings removed.

Jay Ts

Whenever I see references to amalgam fillings in this context, I always
wonder just how 'real' the improvement in perceived well-being is. I don't
doubt that you feel better now you have had them removed, but I really
wonder how much of that is because you *expected* to feel better, because
that's why you were having them removed ? Kind of like the double-blind
placebo tests, when they are evaluating the efficacy of new pharmaceutical
drugs. Have you located any studies as to whether people who have amalgam
fillings actually have a higher level of mercury in their bodies than would
be expected for their given location / lifestyle, and did these levels
actually reduce, or at least stop going up, once the amalgam had been
removed ? I'm interested to know, not least because I have an amalgam
filling in just about every 4 - 8 tooth, both sides, top and bottom, and
have had for 40 years or more since I was a kid, and they were the 'norm'.
Although my memory, particularly short-term, is not as good as it was,
otherwise, I would have rated my health as 'OK', and not any worse than I
would expect for a mid 50's man with my location and lifestyle.

Arfa

 

[Pete Wilcox]

Whenever I see references to amalgam fillings in this context, I always
wonder just how 'real' the improvement in perceived well-being is.
...
Have you located any studies as to whether people who have amalgam
fillings actually have a higher level of mercury in their bodies than would
be expected for their given location / lifestyle, and did these levels
actually reduce, or at least stop going up, once the amalgam had been
removed ? I'm interested to know, not least because I have an amalgam
filling in just about every 4 - 8 tooth, both sides, top and bottom, and
have had for 40 years or more since I was a kid, and they were the 'norm'.

Loadsa mercury in my mouth too, but I was told by my dentist that *more*
would be released into the body and absorbed during the process of having
the fillings drilled out and replaced, than would be released by simply
leaving them in place. Folks our age are going to die of *something* in
two or three decades, regardless. I think that mercury, or lead, or
whatever-other-heavy-metal poisoning is the least of our worries.

Cheers,
Pete.

 

[nospam]

Folks our age are going to die of *something* in
two or three decades, regardless. I think that mercury, or lead, or
whatever-other-heavy-metal poisoning is the least of our worries.

We are disposable containers for our genes.

I think there is a quite reasonable argument that with our bodies having
(by design) a limited life if they are not knackerd and contaminated by the
time we die we have to some degree wasted them.

--

 

[TheM]

We are disposable containers for our genes.

I think there is a quite reasonable argument that with our bodies having
(by design) a limited life if they are not knackerd and contaminated by the
time we die we have to some degree wasted them.

I wonder, should we ever be able to extend our lives to hundreds of years,
what that might mean for our lifestyle.
Living extremely healthy and avoiding pollution of all kinds, perhaps?

Mark

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

Some dentists even have something like a DMM to check electric
potentials of each filling, to make sure to take them out in
the proper order.

Bullshit. A filling is so small that no meter made can read the
resistance of it, nor is there an instrument than can measure any subtle
differences from one to the next. That is aside from the fact that one
would have to have the filling out to be able to access it across its
breadth in order to take any such reading to begin with.

Total and utter bullshit.

Is Rosie O'Retard your favorite celebrity?

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

That's what the ADA and ADA-trained dentists like to say.
It is my opinion that they are in deep denial regarding the
issue. Not surprising considering that the ADA was formed by
a bunch of mercury-using dentists who got together and decided
that dentists in the organization were not allowed to tell
their patients that mercury was bad for them.

More bullshit. Back when that organization was formed, silver/mercury
amalgam filling were all there was available for the task. So no
"selling" was required, nor practiced, idiot.

 

[Arfa Daily]

I feel like I know exactly what you're thinking, because that is
what I used to think too! But I kept meeting people who told me,
"I'm so glad I had it done" that at one point, it was the next
thing to try, to see if I could recover from my chronic health problems.


I didn't expect to notice *any* improvement right away, and I'd
never heard of that happening. But it did. After the painkillers
wore off and I got a night's sleep, the very next day I got a definite,
very-hard-to-ignore boost in mental acuity, and to use an overused
saying, "felt like a fog had been lifted off me". Nothing else had
changed in my life that could have accounted for that.

I had put off having it done for about 10 years due to the cost,
ordeal of it, and because I never had anything objective to latch
onto to feel confident that it would result in any kind of noticeable
improvement. Other people I've talked to don't get any, but they're
usually still "glad they had it done."

"YMMV" is the simplest answer I can give to you, and there's
not much of any way anyone can tell you in advance what your
experience would be.


As compared to say, other people who also have amalgam fillings? ;-)
Unfortunately, that's the rub of it. Heavy metal toxicity is usually
very sneaky. It sinks in gradually, and you can't tell it's there, and
I think for almost all cases, it never gets bad enough to cause acute
symptoms that doctors can diagnose.

But then I heard of a woman (friend of a friend) who was suffering
from MS for many years, and after a lot of other things, she
tried getting her mercury fillings removed. And then she simply
recovered! So who knows? There's no proof that the mercury removal
did it, but she had no other explanation for it. (Miracle?)

BTW, I regret that I cannot reveal personal details about other
people, to protect both them and dentists who remove mercury fillings.
Dentists are still persecuted by the ADA and other organizations in
some areas.

Jay Ts

Hmmm. Your passion for this subject is clear. I do, however, remain
unconvinced that this is anything other than placebo effect, which has been
shown in proper clinical trials, to be an extremely powerful entity. As far
as I am aware - and I haven't read anything about this for some time - the
human body is not good at removing heavy metal toxins from itself, without
external help, so I would be surprised if your body had managed to just
'clean itself' - especially overnight - of any mercury that might have been
in there as a result of your fillings.

As far as fillings dissolving as a mechanism for getting the mercury into
your body goes, I have some that have been in my mouth untouched for
probably 30 years. All of the saliva / beer / coca cola / lemon juice / tea
/ coffee / other drinks, don't seem to have touched them one iota. If they
are smaller than they were, then it's by a fraction of a mm. I attend a
dentist regularly, and he has not seen fit to replace any of these long-term
fillings through reason of them being worn below what is acceptable for
their function. He has, of course, had to replace the odd one from time to
time over the 35 years that I have known him, for clinical reasons.

Considering the (relatively) small proportion of the filling that is mercury
in the first place, any such mercury ingression as a result of this
dissolution, must be infinitessimally small, and probably absolutely
negligible in comparison to other sources of mercury ingression, such as
airborne from power stations or in the many pounds of tuna fish that I have
eaten over the years. If you could show me a study that didn't call on
hearsay and personal anecdotal evidence, and that could show that a body's
mercury content decreased, or at least arrested in its upward climb after
such fillings had been removed, then I might be more inclined to accept that
there's something in it. Can you show any such study conducted under proper
scientific protocols ?

Arfa

 

[Pete Wilcox]

Also ensuring that a frontier is available; e.g. serious efforts at off-world
colonization.

Would require a MAJOR reduction in the birth-rate though, at least
initially, in order to avoid over-population. This reminds me of Tim
Leary's "SMILE" formula - the three major areas of development for the
species over the coming decades should/will be (SM) = Space Migration,
(I^2) = Increasing Intelligence, and (LE) = Life Extension. Despite the
fact that he was a drugged-out nutter, these seem to me to be quite
reasonable objectives.

Cheers,
Pete.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

I put it right there in front of you: They measure ELECTRIC
POTENTIAL otherwise known as "VOLTAGE", between a filling
and a reference point.

TOATAL BULLSHIT, you fucking idiot!

And NO, you were NOT "kidding". YOU were the twit that just yesterday
swore that the removal of your fillings made you "feel better", right?

Gullible much?

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

Other than your mention of it, I have no awareness
of that entity. Apparently, you are much more of a fan than I.

Rosie O'Donnell, you fucking idiot. Do you also not keep up with
current events?

That only makes you the second most gullible idiot on the planet.

 

[N_Cook]

one reply got into print

* The Guardian,
* Thursday April 10 2008

Getting the lead out

Thank you for publishing the article on tin whiskers (Within a whisker of
failure, April 3). Too much attention has been given to well-meaning people
who are pushing the environmental agenda but with very little science behind
what they are trying to achieve. Some of the green community captured the
public attention and pushed through the no lead on electronics, when there
was not sufficient test data available (actually there was a lot of data on
US military aircraft). Now we are finding the problems of having a political
agenda and not one based on science and facts.
Steven Adamson, IMAPS president and Asymtek market manager

 

[Arfa Daily]

one reply got into print

* The Guardian,
* Thursday April 10 2008

Getting the lead out

Thank you for publishing the article on tin whiskers (Within a whisker of
failure, April 3). Too much attention has been given to well-meaning
people
who are pushing the environmental agenda but with very little science
behind
what they are trying to achieve. Some of the green community captured the
public attention and pushed through the no lead on electronics, when there
was not sufficient test data available (actually there was a lot of data
on
US military aircraft). Now we are finding the problems of having a
political
agenda and not one based on science and facts.
Steven Adamson, IMAPS president and Asymtek market manager

Very nicely put by Mr Adamson and, whilst The Guardian is not one of my
favourite rags, all credit to them for at least publishing a reply that
swims against the tide, and does not tow the government line ... It's good
to see some 'alternative' views finally making themselves heard in the
public domain !

Arfa

 

[krw]

Haven't you figured out that you are playing with the resident SED
troll?

"The"???

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

I've already done as much as I can to help this guy,

You're an idiot. You are the dope that needs help, boy.

who obviously can not live up to the name he is using.

As if a retarded twit like you could make such an assessment, and have
it actually be valid.

Instead of discussing the matter respectfully,

Some lame dope that claims that the removal of his fillings made him
"think clearer" does not deserve any respect from real men.

and
abiding by Usenet "netiquette", he is just attacking
me personally.

It's called "free speech", you fucking retard. You know... just like
you did by posting this OFF TOPIC horseshit thread into the groups.

If anything, I admit that discussing this topic in
a group related to electronics is highly inappropriate,
and I feel *very* embarrassed that I unwittingly led the
discussion in this direction. I hope to wind this
down soon.

I've posted enough links to Wikipedia that anyone who has
interest can just go read them, and learn much more than I
have to offer on my own.

That's for goddamned sure.

And don't knock my little story

**** you AND your little story.

without checking out the reader's comments to Dr. Huggins'
book on Amazon.com if you haven't already. If those things
don't do it for you, I don't think anything will ... and
that's perfectly ok with me! Enjoy your own reality however
you prefer it.

Said the fucking retard that said the HugginsTard "saved a lot of
lives". You are so full of shit. It is the Mercury in your blood that
kills you. Metallic form mercury is virtually harmless, as is metallic
form lead. So the fuckhead doctor did not save ANYBODY. All he is
trying to do is foist his retarded book onto everyone. Too bad.

You are nothing more than a paranoid, uneducated, uninformed twit.

It isn't a "personal attack", it is a 100% valid and true observation.

Your "reality" is what is fucked up in the thread.

Get a fucking clue.

 

[krw]

Ok, the HEAD troll. Happy now? ;-)

Ok, but that makes Junior the ASS troll.

 

[Hattori Hanzo]

"The"???

You're both fucking retarded.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

Aside from appearances, I really don't want to try to convince
people. If anything, my motivation for writing on the topic
of heavy metal toxicity here is to share my personal experiences,
and maybe help others.

Look, you retarded ****! The way one tells if one has heavy metals in
one's body is by way of a blood screening for heavy metals.

It has NOTHING to do with ANY fucking dentist.

It also has nothing to do with metallic form versions of Mercury or
Lead. Cadmium IS poisonous in its base form, and THAT is the only banned
in the electronics industry metals you need to worry about "touching".

Your fucking fillings did NOT increase the Mercury in your system, nor
did their removal decrease it, you fucking dope!

Your "better feeling" IS a placebo effect!

 

[The Last Mimsy]

Sorry, I'm new here. But yes, it's quite obvious
at this point.

Jay Ts

Except for the fact that the person that wrote that horseshit is the
troll.

All I did was call you stupid.

The truth hurts, eh?

 

[Arfa Daily]

---
Read this:

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/mercury.html

JF

Yes, that's more like it. At least it cites relevant research, which
*appears* to have been carried out by scientific people using proper
methodology.

Arfa