Lead free solder

[Phil Allison]

"Nutcase Kook is a FUCKWIT "

For the UK, section 14 of the RoHS Regulation


A producer putting non-compliant EEE on the market ...

** WTF has that got to do with the QUESTION' ???

You fucking imbecile ...



..... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"WangoTango"

Depends on where you are and if the device is yours or not.
Here in the US we can use real solder that really works, so no issue.
If you live where lead free is a commercial reality, who is going to
know if you use good old 60/40 (63/37) to fix your own stuff?

** Who is likely to ever know or care a hoot if it is not your own stuff ??

The only people who KNOW for sure if some product has Pb free solder in some
or all locations is the bastards who made it. And none of them are traceable
years after it is sold.

I mean the ACTUAL people - in China or wherever.

A product may be legitimately labelled " RoHS Compliant " though full of
leaded solder - cos it complies by exemption.

Marshall Amplification applied and got an exemption for the use of CdS cells
in their amps (even a few micrograms of Cadmium is verboten) - how
fucking absurd.

Strangely, Fender have obtained no such exemption are forced to no longer
use such cells in amps sold into Europe.

An elaborate PCB, fitted with numerous IC is fitted to TUBE amplifiers to
comply.

How fucking ABSURD !!

I've reworked many lead free boards with lead solder, and we use 100's
of thousands of ROHS parts with good old 63/37.

** Same here.



...... Phil

 

[William Sommerwerck]

Of course. The increased number of failures due solely

Not in Europe it isn't. There are heavy fines for doing that.

How would the government know? Are there solder Nazis breaking into service
shops, looking for rolls of illicit lead-based solder?

I hate callbacks. I would use lead-based solder on repairs.

 

[William Sommerwerck]

Marshall Amplification applied and got an exemption for the

use of CdS cells in their amps (even a few micrograms of
cadmium is verboten) -- how fucking absurd.

Oh... my... God... I didn't know I was poisoning my subjects when I took
pictures of them with my classic Polaroid Colorpack cameras.

 

[Phil Allison]

"William Sommerwerck"

How would the government know? Are there solder Nazis breaking into
service
shops, looking for rolls of illicit lead-based solder?

I hate callbacks. I would use lead-based solder on repairs.

** For once, the Sommerwanker posts something quite sensible.

Maybe there is still hope ...



.... Phil

 

[Smitty Two]

" Meat Plow is a MORONIC FUCKHEAD "


** The simple truth.




.... Phil

Wow, Meat, you can predict the future! How about giving me this week's
winning lottery numbers?

 

[Meat Plow]

" Meat Plow is a MORONIC FUCKHEAD "


** The simple truth.




.... Phil

Phil Allison is as predictable as the eastern rising of the sun every
morning followed by it setting in the west. This is the quintessential
truth.

 

[Meat Plow]

Wow, Meat, you can predict the future! How about giving me this week's
winning lottery numbers?

LOL. Phil is so predictable. Just like if you toss a coin in the air it's
a 99.999999999999999999999999999999999% chance it will land either heads
or tails.

 

[Adrian Tuddenham]

How would the government know? Are there solder Nazis breaking into service
shops, looking for rolls of illicit lead-based solder?

I hate callbacks. I would use lead-based solder on repairs.

The usual way the system operates is to pick on some luckless individual
who hasn't the resources to fight back and smash him to pieces in public
so it frightens everyone else. That's the way radio hams were kept in
line by the U.K. Post Office.

 

[Mike Tomlinson]

I hate callbacks. I would use lead-based solder on repairs.

Me too, made sure I'm well stocked up on lead-based solder.

 

[Cydrome Leader]

"Adrian Tuddenham"



** The fines may exist in theory, but can you show if anyone has been fined
for using the wrong solder for repairs ?

There are many obvious, simple defences to such a charge and almost no way
to get caught.

Get real.


..... Phil

Europeans are the biggest whining sissies on the planet. There's simply no
other way to put it.

I'm in the US, we can do whatever we want with lead.

 

[Phil Allison]

"Cydrome Leader"

Europeans are the biggest whining sissies on the planet. There's simply no
other way to put it.

I'm in the US, we can do whatever we want with lead.

** As Steve McQueen said in "The Magnificent Seven"

" We deal in lead, friend. "


...... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"Arfa Daily"

Please don't lump the British with the "Europeans". We aren't Europeans in
any way other than an enforced political condition. We never have been and
never will be, and if a lot of people over here had their way, we would
also get out of the political tie-ups to allow us to govern ourselves and
make our own laws again, without interference from Brussels

** Do you recall the episode of " Yes Minister " where the topic was the
impending EU directive re the " Euro Sausage".

Folk generally mistake that show for a comedy, when it was clearly a
instructive documentary.



..... Phil

 

[Charles]

"Father Haskell" wrote in message

Has this had any impact on repair and rework of electronic devices and
equipment?

If it's as bad as the lead-free plumbing solder, expect
poor wetting and tendency to set cold. 63/37 tin-lead
can't be beat. Fast, and joints look like they're soldered
with Sterling silver.

The eutectic 63/37 alloy is still easy to buy. Perhaps the repair industry
is dodging the bullet fired at the manufacturing industry. Or, as several
have pointed out, it is impossible to enforce lead-free rules on the
repairers.

 

[Charles]

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message

"Father Haskell" wrote in message



If it's as bad as the lead-free plumbing solder, expect
poor wetting and tendency to set cold. 63/37 tin-lead
can't be beat. Fast, and joints look like they're soldered
with Sterling silver.

The eutectic 63/37 alloy is still easy to buy. Perhaps the repair
industry
is dodging the bullet fired at the manufacturing industry. Or, as several
have pointed out, it is impossible to enforce lead-free rules on the
repairers.

Once again, you ignore the fact that Usenet isn't a US only medium.

OK, please post your International summary of the legal use of leaded
solders for repairs, as of May, 2011.

 

[N_Cook]

Here is one UK manufacturer of leaded solder -

http://www.warton-metals.co.uk/barsolder.html

No idea on the legal status though.

John :-#)#

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Heaps of NOS lead solder for sale at much the same price as always has been
, at radio rallies around the UK. So by inference there must still be a
demand for it. Usually accompanied with disclaimer notices along the lines
"Sold for use for repairing old equipment only"

 

[N_Cook]

Just met the other problem . Do you have a leaded or non-leaded pcb in front
of you to deal with. ?
Current one a Fender amp, so USA and no RoHS stickers anywhere, but
component date of 2005, so before 2006, so one would assume it was leaded
solder from that info. Not taken apart yet but can see perhaps 10 ring
cracks in the solder around the valve bases, rear of pcb not seen yet. At
this stage I suspect PbF solder

 

[Baron]

John Robertson Inscribed thus:

Here is one UK manufacturer of leaded solder -

http://www.warton-metals.co.uk/barsolder.html

No association with Warton Metals, but I would highly recommend them !
They are one of the most courteous, knowledgeable and helpful companies
that I've encountered.

 

[Charles]

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message




Do your own homework, school teacher.


Assuming that I am a school teacher, how does one do homework these days.
Usenet is off limits?

You can't fix RUDE, you just have to ignore it.

 

[Charles]

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message






OK. I'll ignore you. PLONK


Bye bye.