clueless politicians

[Moosh:]]

Truth is truth no matter where you find it or how politically incorrect it
happens to be.

Are you really that gullible?

There are many muslims throughout the world who claim the
terrorists, kidnappers and hijackers are not true muslims.

Neither is Saddam Hussein, apparently.

There are many
Jews in Israel who deplore the mistreatment of Palestinians and occupation
of the West Bank.
Yep

I haven't seen anyone dispute the facts presented on the
"anti Islamic" web site,

Perhaps it doesn't deserve the dignity of their recognition? I've come
across plenty of dispute. That site is infamous.

although any discriminating browser should easily
see that the interpretations are one-sided.

Yet you presented it to us as the truth?

I DO have a problem with a
religion that is so intolerant as to allow for the killing of 'infidels' in
it's holy scriptures.

Cobblers. Try many selective verse of the Bible. Sheesh. They are just
what the culture of the time thought was good moral behaviour, or not.

Islam plays a role in the India/Pakistan dispute,

So does Hinduism.

the
Arab/Israeli dispute,

Jewish invasion?

the Chechnya/Russian conflict,

The Russians are Muslim? I thought they were mostly Orthodox.

the Abu Sayef and MILF
in the Philippines

I thought most in the Philippines were Catholic.

as well as ethnic problems in Bosnia, Serbia and Croatia.

Hang about there. the Croats are Catholic, and the Serbs are Orthodox.
Who's buggering whom?

Anyone who believes that Islam is a religion of peace is unwilling to see
the whole truth.

Crusades, Nazism, Ireland, South America... Humans are not always
creatures of peace. It is nothing to do with any particular religion.
Even the Commies can be barbaric bastards - there, that ought to
please you

SEH seems not to be the most appropriate place to discuss religion,
international relations, economics or politics, but there are some brilliant
people here and some seem to insist on arguing those issues here.

Well it has a lot to do with our future supplies of energy, even if
not hydrogen.

The issues of Israel and the 'Palestinians' and Arab/Islamic hatred of the
West are mighty tough issues. When it comes to killing, can anyone be
right? Whether or not you love Judahism, it is likely Israel would be
ethnically 'cleansed' of Jews without support of the U.S. and without
maintaining about a 3 to 1 kill ratio of Palestinians to Jews. AND you
gotta believe that method of survival garners one hella big bunch of bad
karma! If that's the way a people must survive, that should tell them
something.

If only we had a time machine....

Now what do you do? Do you allow the Jews to be slaughtered?

No. You move them back to their UN awarded territory, and put up walls
and UN troops to protect them while you reestablish the Palestinians.
It's a done deal now, despite the fallacious bullshit used to justify
it back in '48. It might take decades, but as the world (UN) caused
all the trouble in the first place....

Do you reward
terrorists

Don't you mean valiant freedom fighters?
Some give them medals.

(who send bombers into crowded restaurants) by listening to their
grievances?

Well as they are desperate enough to do that, what do you think they
might do next if no-one listens to their grievances?

What makes the Jews believe that the collateral damage they
allow when blowing up the car of a militant Palestinian leader is better
than the suicide bomber on a crowded bus? It's just a mess and there's no
great solution. The best aproach to the problem seems to be the one we're
now taking, so hope and pray there is enough civility in all the parties to
FIND a solution.

I truly believe it must be enforced from without. Both sides have
shown they are probably now incapable of solving it themselves.

 

[Moosh:]]

In this country, WE are the Government. I know that's a hard concept to
grasp for non-free people.

That is the funniest thing I have heard.
It's the most extreme gullibility I've ever encountered.
Do you want to buy a bridge?
BTW, how do you reconcile this with the opinion expressed by your
countrymen that the root of all evil is the government, and it should
be abolished?

 

[Moosh:]]

Well, first they would want to build a prototype to prove the concepts and
learn from. As far as coming up with $200B, we wouldn't *want* one company
to build it all. But a company could probably scare up enough financing for
$25-50B worth of financial backing if they had some experience with a
prototype. This may be enough of an investment to benefit from 'economies
of scale'. And one huge 11 000 sq mi plant may not be the best way to go
for a number of reasons anyway.

Just the danger of diseases in such a huge monoculture should decree
that it is split up and diversified to the extent that you can lose a
portion of it

 

[Moosh:]]

As a fellow New Yorker, I take exception to that. You demonstrate that many
people think all New Yorkers live in NYC. Guess again. Internal to NYS,
there is a constant battle between the large population of NYC that wants to
control all of NYS while those of us living *outside* of NYC would just as
soon see NYC cecede from the state.

Do you have a clue as to where Steve lives? I'd bet there is a dairy farm
within five miles of his house. After the financial district of NYC, do you
know what the number one export of NYS is (and no, it isn't 'Buffalo
Wings')?

Talk about stereotyping people....

daestrom

As an iggerant foreigner, I must say that when someone says they live
in New York, the city is what springs to mind.

BTW, is secession (secede) a foreign word to Americans?

 

[Bob Adkins]

BTW, how do you reconcile this with the opinion expressed by your
countrymen that the root of all evil is the government, and it should
be abolished?

Only a few weird-O's say that.

Too many lies. Wasting my time. Say buh bye!

PLONK!

Bob

 

[Moosh:]]

Only a few weird-O's say that.

It was said here just the other day

So you admire your govt?

Too many lies. Wasting my time. Say buh bye!

PLONK!

That's a good argument.

 

[Bob Adkins]

pressure tires reduce rolling resistance, and have reduced traction.
Best option is to use the optimum size for the weght of the vehicle.

That's why low vehicle weight is very important. It helps solve many
problems. Low weight does not necessarily make a vehicle more dangerous, but
likely does.

Bob

 

[Moosh:]]

That's why low vehicle weight is very important. It helps solve many
problems. Low weight does not necessarily make a vehicle more dangerous, but
likely does.

Probably only in a traffic mix with heavier vehicles.
Taxation mix would do well arranged to encourage lighter vehicles.
We have a stupid vestigial law that gives tax breaks for SUVs. We call
them "Toorak Tractors" after a posh suburb of Melbourne.

 

[Moosh:]]

Because bicycle tires don't give enough surface area for proper braking
friction. When a vehicle gets into the 2000+ pound size of even our
smallest cars the surface area on a bicycle or even narrow motorcycle sized
tire just won't cut it for the necessary braking distances we require. Many
people with home built electric vehicles have found this to be true:
converting to narrower, higher pressure tires will increase your mileage.

Are you sure of this, Dan? Yes tyre wear will be increased with
skinny tyres, but pressure on the road surface (assuming that the
rubber compound and road surface characteristics remain the same) is
surely all that matters.

 

[Steve Spence]

Oh, no, his intentions are not in question. Just his intelligence.

 

[clare @ snyder.on .ca]

Are you sure of this, Dan? Yes tyre wear will be increased with
skinny tyres, but pressure on the road surface (assuming that the
rubber compound and road surface characteristics remain the same) is
surely all that matters.

Definitely better to have narrow high pressure tires on an EV. Minimal
tread also helps, along with rayon plies rather than glass or steel.
I built and drove a 4 passenger EV in the seventies. Based on Fiat
128S Coupe. Used 155/85 series fabric radials at 45PSI.

 

[clare @ snyder.on .ca]

Geez, do trucks come by and pour several inches of sand and gravel onto
the roads where you live? You seem to be contending with an awful lot
more sand and gravel than most of the world. (Besides which, in areas
where people regularly drive over deep sand they *have* to use fat tires
or they get stuck.) Do you really think narrow tires are going to "cut
through" a light dusting of sand? I would guess that they would roll
right over it, same as a fat tire.

Yess, they most certainly do, for about 4 months of the year. It is
called WINTER. Pickled sand is poured on the roads to give traction on
ice. When the ice melts there is sand all over the roads.

On mud and snow, assuming it eventually has a solid base, a narrow
high tire will cut through and give traction where a fat tire just
floats in the soup. Wide tires in the winter have all the handling
ability of a "flying saucer" (for you southerners, that's like a big
Moon hubcap kids use to slide down snowy hills). No directional
stability at all.

I've driven in the slop here in SouthWestern Ontario since 1968 - with
wide snow tires, wide all seasons, narrow all seasons, and narrow
snows. Narrow snows win hands down. Narrow all seasons are better than
wide snows, except in very deep loose snow. We usually do not have
that on our roads. What we do have, on a regular basis, is 1/2 to 4
inches of wet slop over either pavement or hardpacked snow.

Try driving on that with a set of 50 series tires on your Civic!!!!!!
Any tread your heart desires, and a set of 78s will run circles around
you.

 

[Fred B. McGalliard]

....

I agree, that's the reallity but I say again "That's a sad
commentary."

This is confusing. What is sad about a man devoting a large portion of his
life to working with a large number of others in some glorious enterprise
that improves mankind's lot. Such as car repossession, phone solicitation,
teaching, ..... Certainly some jobs are pretty sad, but the overall
commitment is important and uplifting, at least in general. Why did you
think it was sad?

 

[Tony Wesley]

On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 10:50:01 -0400, R. H. Allen

Motoring experts generally say that wide tires improve traction,

Motoring experts, or motoring journalists?

Motoring experts. Examine the tires of race cars. Pay special
attention to the rear tires of cars on the drag strip.

 

[Don Lancaster]

I don't think I've even seen a *dirt* road with half an inch
of sand on it....

Around here, half a foot is the norm.
--
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voice: (928)428-4073 email: [email protected] fax 847-574-1462

Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com

 

[clare @ snyder.on .ca]

On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 10:50:01 -0400, R. H. Allen

Motoring experts generally say that wide tires improve traction,

Motoring experts, or motoring journalists?

Motoring experts. Examine the tires of race cars. Pay special
attention to the rear tires of cars on the drag strip.

There are experts, and there are experts. One definition is a drip
under pressure. Another is the guy who comes from a town over 50 miles
away carrying a briefcase and charges $100 or more per hour. Then
there is the expert who is because he knows firsthand.

And yes, take a look at race tires. Start with the treaded tires run
on Nascar tracks. Take dry weather tires, or rain tires. Have you
noticed what invariably happens when a bit of dirt is kicked up in the
corners, ar a bit of oil-dry is required to clean up a spill??? Poor
joker comes into the corner a bit too hot, and, if he's lucky, he ends
up backing out of it. Not so lucky he hits the rail or another car.

Now take a look at the drag slicks - and take a close look at the
track. The track surface is as clean as a parlour floor. If it is not,
extremely strange and dangerous happenings occur part way down the
track. That's what brooms are for.

Now look at a pro rallye car. Ever seen a Hakl Finnish mud and snow
tire, was very popular in the rally croud I ran with rears ago.
Typical tire on a 510 Datsun would have been something like a P165/85
14. Tread density was something about 60%. The Hakkapelllita or Hak is
legendary for it's loose surface traction. Try to run even a
moderately competetive navigational (Navex) rally on anything wider
than a "standard" sized tire, and life suddenly gets interesting.. A
prepared car on a drivex (pro) rally could quickly become deadly.

 

[daestrom]

If you get anywhere near half an inch of sand on your roads then you
most certainly are contending with a LOT more sand than most of the
world does. I don't think I've even seen a *dirt* road with half an inch
of sand on it....

Talk about a sheltered life...

Around here every spring, the *paved* roads that have been sanded and salted
all winter end up with many corners and areas between lanes with 1/4 to 1/2
of sand/gravel. Yes, makes for 'interesting' driving, but since most have
just survived another winter of snow, it isn't so bad. We're just glad to
be able to *see* the road come springtime ;-)

daestrom

 

[Moosh:]]

Motoring experts. Having worked in the auto industry, I've talked to a
lot of them.

Mechanical engineers I hope. There is so much hype in the auto
industry.

If you get anywhere near half an inch of sand on your roads then you
most certainly are contending with a LOT more sand than most of the
world does. I don't think I've even seen a *dirt* road with half an inch
of sand on it....

Common in Australia, but I'm talking about normal city paved streets.
If the soil is sandy, you can't help but get sand on roads in heavy
rain, let alone bloody ants that pile it along the edges.
BTW, the sand is not usually covering the whole cariageway, just in
patches.

 

[Tony Wesley]

Motoring experts. Examine the tires of race cars. Pay special
attention to the rear tires of cars on the drag strip.

Not relevant to cars on normal roads.

Neither is the case you're making ... 1/2 inch of sand?
Of course, the dune buggies I've seen all have wide tires.

 

[Moosh:]]

In the desert, I can understand that. And perhaps Moosh lives in a
desert. Of course, I've always understood from desert travelers that
wide tire are necessary in deep sand to keep the car from sinking and
getting stuck, but not being such a traveler myself, what do I know?

Yes, this is pretty correct, and on a paved road, you WANT to sink to
the paving, so you want THIN tyres.

And on the paving, the higher the pressure between rubber and paving,
the higher the resistance to skidding.