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David L. Jones
Wow, if it actually happens:
http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,24541574-15306,00.html
Dave.
http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,24541574-15306,00.html
Dave.
David said:Wow, if it actually happens:
http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,24541574-15306,00.html
Dave.
couldn't agree more Dave,
I think the main stumbling block is still battery technology, and not
refueling stations. If the battery was good enough, and the car cheap
enough, there wouldn't be a problem.
People would rent car space and power outlets in their front yards, if
refueling stations was the bottle neck.
City based companies could provide for their workers, or spin a profit
from company owned car parks.
Our local shopping centre has had an electric car only space for many
years, and a place I used to work at had one too (at the request of
an employee who built her own fully electric car)
Dave.
Mr.T said:But where is the "clean, safe, affordable" electricity going to come from?
Not to mention "clean, safe, affordable" batteries!
MrT.
an interesting read at:
<http://www.sciam.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=electrifying-....>
quote "there is a compelling case for automobile manufacturers to jump
in and build clean, safe, affordable electric cars for Australasia and
Southeast Asia.” Who knows? Maybe some Australian city will become the
Detroit of the 21st century?
Perhaps we do need to build the infrastructure first.
Lay your eggs, and the chickens will arrive in great numbers, grasshopper!
But where is the "clean, safe, affordable" electricity going to come from?
Not to mention "clean, safe, affordable" batteries!
Don McKenzie said:quote "there is a compelling case for automobile manufacturers to jump
in and build clean, safe, affordable electric cars for Australasia
TT said:Nearly 30 years ago I worked near a guy that was developing a salt water
battery system. The idea was it would either recharge as a conventional
battery does or you could go to a normal service station where the
electrolyte could be drained and then refilled as with a conventional
petrol pump. The idea was to have a solenoid operated drain cock on the
battery and the servo would have grids and a drain system that then
returned the electrolyte to a main tank for a slow recharge via solar
panels or conventional mains. It solved several problems.
I believe the idea was from Israel (lots of sun and salt there to) but I
never heard any more about it. Conspiracy theory says a major oil company
bought the patent and shelved it ;-)
This type of idea that can use renewable energy, utilise existing
infrastructure and have a safe, environmentally friendly battery system
would be a real hit. BTW if any one knows the guy I wouldn't mind a
follow up. It was Frank Parry, the brother of Parry's, the department
store in WA.
Cheers TT
Den said:Intuitively you'd think one of the plates would be eroded & consumed if
the electrolyte was renewed rather than the battery recharged. Then again
perhaps plate changes were part of the design / maintenance.
Maybe Robert Parry & it became ---> www.zbbenergy.com ?
Where I found:
"Unlike the lead acid and most other batteries, the ZESS uses electrodes
that cannot and do not take part in the reactions but merely serve as
substrates for the reactions. There is therefore no loss of performance,
unlike most rechargeable batteries, from repeated cycling causing
electrode material deterioration. During the charge cycle metallic zinc is
plated from the electrolyte solution onto the negative electrode surfaces
in the cell stacks. Bromide is then converted to Bromine at the positive
electrode surface of the cell stack and is immediately stored as a safe
chemically complexed organic phase in the electrolyte tank. When the ZESS
discharges, the metallic zinc plated on the negative electrode dissolves
in the electrolyte and is available to be plated again at the next charge
cycle. In the fully discharged state the ZESS can be left indefinitely."
What happened to the wave power test system that was to be planted on the
ocean floor off Fremantle a few years back?
For a supposed "green" community Fremantle is a very odd place, I believe
one of the main reasons wind turbines on the North Mole (harbour sea wall)
were knocked back was that they would be "unsightly".
Intuitively you'd think one of the plates would be eroded & consumed if the
electrolyte was renewed rather than the battery recharged. Then again
perhaps plate changes were part of the design / maintenance.
Maybe Robert Parry & it became --->www.zbbenergy.com ?
Where I found:
"Unlike the lead acid and most other batteries, the ZESS uses electrodes
that cannot and do not take part in the reactions but merely serve as
substrates for the reactions. There is therefore no loss of performance,
unlike most rechargeable batteries, from repeated cycling causing electrode
material deterioration. During the charge cycle metallic zinc is plated from
the electrolyte solution onto the negative electrode surfaces in the cell
stacks. Bromide is then converted to Bromine at the positive electrode
surface of the cell stack and is immediately stored as a safe chemically
complexed organic phase in the electrolyte tank. When the ZESS discharges,
the metallic zinc plated on the negative electrode dissolves in the
electrolyte and is available to be plated again at the next charge cycle.
In the fully discharged state the ZESS can be left indefinitely."
What happened to the wave power test system that was to be planted on the
ocean floor off Fremantle a few years back?
For a supposed "green" community Fremantle is a very odd place, I believe
one of the main reasons wind turbines on the North Mole (harbour sea wall)
were knocked back was that they would be "unsightly".
Nearly 30 years ago I worked near a guy that was developing a salt water
battery system. The idea was it would either recharge as a conventional
battery does or you could go to a normal service station where the
electrolyte could be drained and then refilled as with a conventional
petrol pump.
battery and the servo would have grids and a drain system that then
returned the electrolyte to a main tank for a slow recharge via solar
panels or conventional mains.
Wouldn't it be better to use the natural and coal seam gas that willDavid L. Jones said:Wow, if it actually happens:
http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,24541574-15306,00.html
Wouldn't it be better to use the natural and coal seam gas that will
almost certainly be used to generate the electricity, directly in the
car?
A distribution system for the gas and a change to multi-fuel cars
seems preferable to me.
David L. Jones said:from?
There is already some existing renewable capacity on the grid, but not
enough for a mass change overnight change of course.
The goal for NZ is to be using 90% renewable energy by 2025. Australia
will be only 20% by 2020, but at least it's a start.
David Segall said:Wouldn't it be better to use the natural and coal seam gas that will
almost certainly be used to generate the electricity, directly in the
car? A distribution system for the gas and a change to multi-fuel cars
seems preferable to me.
Mr.T said:Exactly. We need to meet current demand with 100% clean, renewable energy
before we can increase demand that much. Otherwise we are simply burning
coal instead of petrol. Then adding battery problems to boot!
David L. Jones said:Wow, if it actually happens:
http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,24541574-15306,00.html
David L. Jones said:You can buy 100% renewable electrical energy. More of it is simply a
matter of demand.
Trevor said:**Preferable, but far less efficient. Conversion efficiencies for large,
thermal generation plants is MUCH higher than internal combustion engines
(around double).