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Zero Point Energy is no myth.

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MassiveProng

electrostatic induction and physical transportation of charge.

Whenever a charge changes location there is a "physical transfer of
charge". D'oh!
 
Right, but I don't get what does the inducing?

http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/whyhow.html

Note that a small imbalance of charge is assumed to exist, and the
machine "amplifies" it.

If you still don't get it think in terms of image charges seen in
("induced in") a conductive plane by a nearby isolated charge.

Oh, and as for the 'Faraday Ice Pail Effect' read this:

http://www.newphys.se/fnysik/3_1/kelvin/index.html

Notice the similarities?
Just the movement of the segments past the brushes?

Of course.
Do they have to touch? I guess it wouldn't
make much sense if they didn't, but in the Van Der Graaf description
they invoke ionized air. Does a Van Der Graaf also work in a vacuum?

http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/myvdg.html

The brushes don't have to touch, and yes, a VDG can work absent air.
Why? Hint; the brushes have small radii of curvature WRT the surfaces
they are brought past.


Mark L. Fergerson
 
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jasen

Right, but I don't get what does the inducing?

the jast charged plate on the opposite wheel causes an
opposing charege to be induced onto the plate under the brush,

the machine needs a small imbalance to get started

Bye.
Jasen
 
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dpcdpnf

The said:
Unless, you really have some real electronics experience, you won't see
the facts involved with the following devices actually being Zero Point
Energy Devices. But, the truth, as we search for the unknown, old
school, really beat us to the punch.

First, look at the wiring diagram/schematic for a Wimshurst
Electrostatic Generator:
http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/wims.gif

Now, read this article on Zero Point Energy at Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy

Let's focus, on what kind of Zero Point Energy Machine a Wimshurst
Generator really is and by what proof of known physics it applies to,
the Casimir Effect:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect

Therefore, the Wimshurst Machine, is the proof of the existance of a
usuable Zero Point Energy, Generator.

So, I sat down, and did some more research, not on zero point energy,
but static electricity, and these types of generators. Now, believe it
or not, a magnetic generator, that uses coils cannot freewheel, or spin
based upon centripedal force, and produce any usuable power. But, a
Wimshurst Generator, will freewheel until all of the intertia of the
spin has be degraded by the friction of bearings and brushes have
brought it to a stop. There is no Kick EMF involved absorbing
mechincal horsepower. This means that directly, the 1 horsepower to
740 Watts rule does not apply. I picked up a toy gyro I have, and I
set it to spinning on it's bushings, and I waited 2 minutes and 45
seconds to see it stop, and I probably didn't even reach 400 RPM. I
spun this thing several times, and it occcured to me, that the static
that builds up on a dielectric surface is always equal, and the
position of magnets and coils in a generator always produce opposition
to the motion of the rotor. Those forces don't exist, and an
electrostatic machine/generator will spin down generating electricity
until the inertia of the rotating disks has been exhausted by friction,
and there are no fields of force playing upon the device to slow it or
stop it.

If you do desire to better understand the principals behind the
Wimshurst Generator, and the kind of equations that are involved, then
you will find a deeper understanding reading this article:
http://www.cvcaroyals.org/~rheckathorn/documents/KelvinWaterDropGeneratoreXPLANATION.doc

This also leads to the concept of a fluid power generation system.
But, we need a doughnut shaped piece of pipe filled with water, or oil,
and a pump to get it to moving, and keep moving in rotation. This
article sheds light on the fact that solids have as much to with static
electricity, as liquids, in droplet form or steady flows. Bottom line,
if you move matter, any mass, it is made of proton, neutrons, and
electrons. Electrons are the members that are most likely to break
free as a result of a small amount of force, and mild amount of
instability. That mild amount of instability, will start a process of
summing within a closed loop system as a simple product of motion,
mass, and dielectric strength. Voltage is dictated by dielectric
strength, amperes, is a function of effeciency, but niether connect to
a mechanical loss greater than required for motion. Fluids, like
transmission fluid, and hydraulic fluids move much more effeciently
through pipes, and with the same diagrams utilized in designing
sectorless electrostatic machines, you have the same potential of
generating static electricity with fluids in motion.
http://www.srbrowne.com/booklet/page01.html

So, a dense liquid that will flow rapidly with little fluid friction
and high dielectric constant will generate a very high static
electrical charge.

http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/electrostatic.html

http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/triplex.html

I am not declaring this a solution to our energy needs, or problems,
because it all starts with having more problems. If it's so much
easier to generate a very high voltage, that 500 KV is easier than 120
Volts, we have a problem with control, and conversion. Most of these
devices require a dry air enviornment to work at their highest
effeciency. At the point you figure, you could send water down a
corkscrewed pipe of 6 inches in diameter, there would be a point where
there would be enough loops to allow for inertia to build up velocity,
and a single pump should be able to generate all of it's own
electricity, in watts. But, 500 KV DC, is not 120 VAC. That energy
needs to be converted to either heat, or light. Only a few devices
require that kind of energy, and most of the time, it's produced with
losses. Magnetrons and Klystron tubes both require high voltage to
produce microwaves. Therefore, it becomes an objective of how to burn
water.

Then you can run a turbine, and a mechanical generator at the right
frequency. Consider the corkscrew, the metal plates, neutralizing
brushes, are now all metal surfaces in plastic pipes, or on them. The
dielectric is motion, and will function the same as a sectorless
Wimshurst Generator. The distance between plate dictates the output
voltage's limits, just as it limits the spark lengths. The dielectric
of air is 20 volts to the mil.. Therefore, it is easily concievable to
construct a power supply for magnetron or klystron tube, that utilizes
the equvalent of a fan in a ducted pipe. If you had a torus, and
placed an on and off ramp along side, a propeller could get all of the
fluid rotating perfectly well in a doughnut, or a corkscrew of plastic
pipe with several metal fittings placed along the way to replace
neutralizer brushes. I believe that any rotating disk sectorless
device can be replaced with a dielectric fluid, plastic pipe and metal
fittings.

Just consider how many gallons of oil are being pumped across the
country in pipelines, and that really could just be doing all of the
work for you if you never burned it.


This ain't news!

If it were news, it would at least start to show up on
http://www.Energy-Arizona.org . That site is for anyone interested in
the Arizona Energy Industry, solar power, wind power, hydroelectricity,
biomass and biofuels, geothermal power, all forms of green energy, even
nuclear power, or just the curious.

Either way, my job is done here.

..dpcdpnf (Dux per Congregatio de Propaganda Noster Fide)
 
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Al in Dallas

On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:32:09 -0700, dpcdpnf

[snip]
Either way, my job is done here.

.dpcdpnf (Dux per Congregatio de Propaganda Noster Fide)

Your job is quoting annoying spam?
 
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dpcdpnf

Al said:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:32:09 -0700, dpcdpnf

[snip]
Either way, my job is done here.

.dpcdpnf (Dux per Congregatio de Propaganda Noster Fide)

Your job is quoting annoying spam?

No.

..dpcdpnf (Dux per Congregatio de Propaganda Noster Fide)
http://www.Energy-Arizona.org (Arizona Energy Industry, solar power,
wind power, hydroelectricity, biomass and biofuels, geothermal power,
green energy, nuclear power)
 
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Rich Grise

You can't win.
You can't break even.
You can't even quit the game.

Christianity is the belief that you can win.
Judaism/Islam is the belief that you can break even.
Mysticism is the belief that you can quit the game.

;-)

Cheers!
Rich
 
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