Why aren't computer clocks as accurate as cheap quartz watches?

[Mxsmanic]

I find it mildly amusing when some people hang out in these NGs
simply to show off their vocabularies and to instigate arguments??

Are you asking or asserting?

Some people have naturally rich vocabularies. The fact that they use
them doesn't mean that they are showing off, although it might seem
that way to people with more limited vocabularies.

 

[Mxsmanic]

Willey was lucky (and smart). He grabbed CP/M before the market
conditions were what they are today. had he pulled something
like that in recent times, he'd have been in a courtroom so fast
he woulda been sucked out of his socks.

No, he would not. Nothing has really changed in that respect. He
didn't really "pull" anything to begin with, and the consequences of
what he did or did not do would not be different today.

 

[Gary H]

Gary H writes:




No, he would not. Nothing has really changed in that respect. He
didn't really "pull" anything to begin with, and the consequences of
what he did or did not do would not be different today.

As you wish.

 

[Gary H]

Ahhhh I C now where its coming from...... and here I thought it actually
had something to do with money and Bill Gates........

If the shoe fits?????

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Beggars and bums are not synonymous. There are situations and times
in which some people may be temporarily reduced to begging without
this necessarily reflecting upon their habitual industry. It is true
that someone who chooses voluntarily to make a career of begging over
the long term may be somewhat of a bum, particularly in developed
countries where so many other options exist.

The only people I have seen begging fit Rich's description of
alcoholics wanting booze. I've seen them with "Will work for food signs"
and they got pissed when someone stopped and gave them food instead of
money.

Yours must be a very cruel society.

Gee, its easy for you to judge others. Its a warm climate and these
people hive migrated here from all over the country. Some have mental
problems, others are thieves. They make no attempt to fit in with people
outside their small groups, and most encounters are when they are
stealing something. How do you expect people to think of them? They
have been offered help, food and clothing along with a place to shower
for free. Their reaction was to start more trouble. Some have been
arrested a number of times.

 

[JAD]

The only people I have seen begging fit Rich's description of
alcoholics wanting booze. I've seen them with "Will work for food signs"
and they got pissed when someone stopped and gave them food instead of
money.



Gee, its easy for you to judge others. Its a warm climate and these
people hive migrated here from all over the country. Some have mental
problems, others are thieves. They make no attempt to fit in with people
outside their small groups, and most encounters are when they are
stealing something. How do you expect people to think of them? They
have been offered help, food and clothing along with a place to shower
for free. Their reaction was to start more trouble. Some have been
arrested a number of times.

OH ok judge jury and executioner mike a terrel......... live with them, THEN
talk about what you have learned. How they got there, who put them there,
and why can't the richest nation in the world take some interest in
them.........until then STFU.............

 

[Mxsmanic]

Gee, its easy for you to judge others.

Not easy enough that I can arrest them for begging without feeling a
pang of conscience.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

OH ok judge jury and executioner mike a terrel......... live with them, THEN
talk about what you have learned. How they got there, who put them there,
and why can't the richest nation in the world take some interest in
them.........until then STFU.............

So, enlighten us! How do you help people who refuse to be helped?
Can you do that with only one hand on the keyboard?

 

[Gary H]

So, enlighten us! How do you help people who refuse to be helped?
Can you do that with only one hand on the keyboard?

That's the way it is chief. There are loads of people out there
who can fix all the world's problems from their armchairs but
when it comes down to the crunch, haven't got a practical
thought to bless themselves with.

Tons of armchair environmentalists out there as well, most of
whom have never planted a tree in their friggin' lives much less
saved one. They got the answers though. just ask 'em.

 

[Mxsmanic]

So, enlighten us! How do you help people who refuse to be helped?
Can you do that with only one hand on the keyboard?

You're assimilating beggars with people who refuse to be helped. They
are not one and the same.

 

[David Maynard]

Ah well it's criticism based on many writings and rulings (I suppose) by
"experts". He's ended up in court in the US (antitrust, guilty) and in
Europe (antitrust, guilty) fined 32 million by South Korea's FTC (Fair
Trade Commission, guilty)

Courts and Judges are positively clueless about the software world and to
call them 'experts' is absurd.

Yeah, self made man, always by the book, never stiffed anyone.

Typical US mentality. Money first then trickle down to all the other
mundane stuff kicking and screaming all the way. Gimme a break.

By your standards it must be 'typical non US mentality' to be class
prejudiced and irrationally vindictive then.

Willey was lucky (and smart). He grabbed CP/M

Utter B.S. He didn't 'grab CPM'. He made an O.S. that did similar
functions, just like any O.S. would have to do and just as CPM copied the
functionality of Dec RT-11, in their case right down to calling pip pip.

before the market
conditions were what they are today.

You want to know what the real 'secret' of his early success was? IBM
contacted DR for CPM but they wanted too much money up front for it while
Microsoft was willing to practically give DOS away and bet on the future
come when, they rightly predicted, IBM would dominate the market.

CPM had first shot at it and the preferred position but blew it. Who knows,
maybe they lost by thinking like you do intending to 'kick some rich
bastard ass' and make IBM pay through the nose for it. Nah, they were American.

had he pulled something like that
in recent times, he'd have been in a courtroom so fast he woulda been
sucked out of his socks.

More clueless B.S.

 

[David Maynard]

I find it mildly amusing when some people hang out in these NGs simply
to show off their vocabularies and to instigate arguments??

Oh boo-hoo. You throw out baseless vindictives and then accuse a factual
response of 'instigating an argument'.

I find that most folks like the BGs of the world, you know, the
Rockefellers and such...
Their money always seems to become more respectable, the older it gets.

Oh yeah, sure. They're 'all the same'. You know, 'them'. 'Their kind'.

class bigot

As for me, just a point of view and that's about as simple as it gets.

Well, it's simple in that it's thoughtless.

If you feel you have to jump to the defense of these poor helpless
folks, then go for it. Shrug.

Utter nonsense. No one claimed BG was 'helpless' and, for all I know, he
might be able to pound you into the sand with one hand, count money on the
other, and befuddle you with an extended vocabulary all at the same time...
but then he's not here so you're safe to ape pound your chest and thump
ground at the illusory beastie.

Defend as much as you wish, go to war for them, bow and pray to them, so
what. It still boils down to opinion and all the arguing in the world
isn't going to change that.

No reason to let facts get in the way of a good solid prejudice, eh?

When it comes to folks like them, you would like to be able to kiss ass,
I'd like to be able to kick ass. See, just a different point of view.
Get over it.

What I 'like' is to treat everyone with the respect they deserve, even
'them', and most people who like to 'kick ass' eventually discover their
boot firmly planted in their own face from the irrational aim and ardent
overswing.

So, further response on this one would seem unnecessary on my part.

Have a good day, maybe Bill will send you a Christmas card. Postage
due.

He'd get the same treatment anyone else who sent me a postage due Christmas
card would.

 

[John Doe]

class bigot

name caller

If you feel you have to jump to the defense of these poor
helpless folks, then go for it. Shrug.

Utter nonsense. No one claimed [Bill Gates] was 'helpless' and,
for all I know, he might be able to pound you into the sand with
one hand, count money on the other, and

walk and eat pie at the same time

http://www.bitstorm.org/gates/

befuddle you with an extended vocabulary all at the same time...

while eating pie

No reason to let facts get in the way of a good solid prejudice,
eh?

Says someone who cannot even except the extremely well known and
decided in stone fact that Microsoft Windows is a monopoly.

 

[John Doe]

Those of us who were there are not deceived by revisionist
histories. In those days, it was big bad IBM versus tiny helpless
Microsoft, not the other way around. Microsoft didn't (and
couldn't) twist IBM's arm.

It wasn't all that Herculean. Apparently IBM didn't try very hard.
Microsoft did a good job of gaining a stranglehold on the personal
computer software market and never letting go, and that's where we
are today.

 

[John Doe]

Gary H wrote:

Courts and Judges are positively clueless about the software world
and to call them 'experts' is absurd.

And apparently David Maynard is clueless about how justice works.
Judges are good at judging and rely on expert witnesses.

I smell a libertarian who believes everything the government does is
wrong (unless it agrees with his opinion).

But in fact if it weren't for our government every day deciding in
Microsoft's favor and using our police with guns to physically
inforce Microsoft's will, Microsoft would fall apart like a playing
card house. Put that in your Microsoft defending libertarian fantasy
land.

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[David Maynard]

name caller

Typical snip job from the ultimate 'name caller' troll.

If you feel you have to jump to the defense of these poor
helpless folks, then go for it. Shrug.

Utter nonsense. No one claimed [Bill Gates] was 'helpless' and,
for all I know, he might be able to pound you into the sand with
one hand, count money on the other, and

walk and eat pie at the same time

http://www.bitstorm.org/gates/

befuddle you with an extended vocabulary all at the same time...

while eating pie

No reason to let facts get in the way of a good solid prejudice,
eh?

Says someone who cannot even except the extremely well known and
decided in stone fact that Microsoft Windows is a monopoly.

Since I have refused to discuss the matter with you you haven't a clue what
I may or may not think or 'accept' and you inventing lies isn't going to
change that fact either.

 

[David Maynard]

And apparently David Maynard is clueless about how justice works.
Judges are good at judging and rely on expert witnesses.

I suppose you missed the fact that there are always 'expert witnesses' on
both sides of any case with directly opposing 'opinions' and in something
as technically complex as an O.S. there is no way for someone clueless
about software to even grasp the arguments, much less 'judge' which one is
the better, assuming there is such a thing as 'better' when it comes to
'opinions' on what an O.S. should, or should not, have as it's components
and how it 'should' be structured.

I smell a libertarian who believes everything the government does is
wrong (unless it agrees with his opinion).

Wrong, as usual.

But in fact if it weren't for our government every day deciding in
Microsoft's favor and using our police with guns to physically
inforce Microsoft's will, Microsoft would fall apart like a playing
card house. Put that in your Microsoft defending libertarian fantasy
land.

Nice piece of schizoid logic you got there with the government
simultaneously condemning Microsoft for being, as you call it, a
'monopoly', yet 'protecting' them.

 

[John Doe]

Are you asking or asserting?

Some people have naturally rich vocabularies. The fact that they
use them doesn't mean that they are showing off, although it might
seem that way to people with more limited vocabularies.

It could mean that they are showing off, or maybe they don't
understand that writing is to communicate with other people.

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[John Doe]

How much money does he have to give away before it meets your
personal definition of meaningful?
More.


On whether you are hated as much as Bill Gates or not, apparently.

Do you really have a difficult time understanding that?

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[John Doe]

I suppose you missed the fact that there are always 'expert
witnesses' on both sides of any case with directly opposing
'opinions' and in something as technically complex as an O.S.
there is no way for someone clueless about software to even grasp
the arguments, much less 'judge' which one is the better, assuming
there is such a thing as 'better' when it comes to 'opinions' on
what an O.S. should, or should not, have as it's components and
how it 'should' be structured.

I'm not surprised you have so much trouble with judgment,
considering how you struggle with using ordinary words in ordinary
contexts. That paragraph is a good illustration. You even question
the meaning of words in your own usage.

Judges don't have that problem.

An operating system should not have applications as it's components
if you want to promote competition among software developers. And if
you pretend to not know the difference between an operating system
and an application, you are just a liar. There is a gray area but
it's not that difficult to generally separate an operating system
from applications.

Wrong, as usual.

Silly, as usual.

Nice piece of schizoid logic you got there

You are a Microsoft defender troll wearing very big blinders.

with the government
simultaneously condemning Microsoft for being, as you call it, a
'monopoly', yet 'protecting' them.

Our justice system is getting hundreds of millions of dollars a year
from Microsoft.

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