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Why aren't computer clocks as accurate as cheap quartz watches?

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Peter Hucker

I'm still waiting for Bull and Siemens to set up a joint AI venture :)

Where is the start of this thread? I typed "Why aren't computer clocks as accurate as cheap quartz watches?" into google groups and it didn't find anything.

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A lot of folks can't understand how we came to have an oil shortage here in America.
Well, there's a very simple answer......Nobody bothered to check the oil. We just didn't know we were getting low.
The reason for that is purely geographical. Our oil is in Alaska, Texas, California, and Oklahoma.
Our dipsticks are in Washington DC.
 
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w_tom

[email protected] started this thread on 26 Oct
2005 with this simple question:
Why do the battery powered clocks in personal computers tend
to keep worse time than quartz watches, even the $1 ones?
Staying on topic has been a problem here.
 
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David Maynard

Fred said:
I'm still waiting for Bull and Siemens to set up a joint AI venture :)

Now there's a combo that, like the breakup of Ma Bell, is sure to spin off
a bunch of 'baby bulls'.
 
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David Maynard

Mxsmanic said:
David Maynard writes:




As technologies mature, breakthroughs come less and less frequently.




It depends on what is meant by desktop. Graphic user interfaces
contributed to productivity in some ways, by extending the usefulness
of the computer beyond plain text, and by making multitasking
environments easier to manage.

And that was the point, along with the summary of the general principle you
snipped out, that "'Bells and whistles" are often more useful than the
cynic realizes."
You're probably only looking at a handful of developed economies. The
entire world is much further behind.

Which has, for all practical purposes, nothing to do with the matter of
whether companies do 'new things', or just add 'fluff', as people who do
not use the things are not in the market.
Even in developed countries,
there are large institutional users of computers that are still
struggling with 16-bit Windows.

And I can find folks in "large institutions' that don't use computers at
all. You're overstating another fragment.
And Windows 9x is still very common.
Where I work, everyone is still on Windows 9x.

Yes, and I suspected that by "DOS" you meant to include anything even
remotely connected to it. Not exactly cricket as the GUI *was* the (second
half) of the 'big idea' that made Microsoft what it is (and began the gist
of this thread section)

I don't have to know. It's a general principle, applicable to
software like anything else. Why risk billions on a new software
product that may or may not succeed, when you can make almost as much
by adding a few "features" to an existing produce with virtually no
risk and very low cost and then charge for upgrades?

Sounds logical except it isn't a "general principle" and companies
introduce new products all the time. Some succeed, like Apple's IPOD, and
some don't. And it's pretty much the same with startups except you don't
pay no mind to failed startups and they don't have anything else to sustain
them when they do. Not to mention that most startups are the 'new company'
equivalent to your 'modify existing product' approach, making something
akin to what exists with some new 'bells and whistles' added: their 'better
version' of it.

Plus, it's becoming increasingly clear that you don't consider anything
that even remotely resembles the existing product to be anything more than
a 'bell and whistle' upgrade while I have stated that a sufficient
performance improvement is my criteria. E.g. If the topic were cars it
seems that nothing short of magnetic levitation would satisfy your need for
"truly interesting" while I would consider a hybrid significant enough.
Hell, I might even consider "rides like a car but has the payload capacity
of a truck" sufficient enough because it fills a useful functional criteria
regardless of not being "truly interesting."
I suppose there are some people who look forward to things like
aggressive, and intrusive DRM, or filesystems that are designed to be
continually searched and indexed, but I do not, and I don't think the
majority of people care.

If that were the entire feature list I might agree with you, but it isn't.
Nor is the 'end user' the entire market.

Compared to NT4, a fully functional PnP alone is reason enough.
Yes, I mean NT 4. Of course, XP looks uncannily like NT, especially
if you peek behind the superficial user interface.

Now, 'peaking behind the superficial user interface' really *is* something
the majority of people don't care about.
 
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Jasen Betts

Until the next one.


I remember people who said a desktop itself didn't contribute anything to
the "basic purpose of the computer" either but it's a heck of a
productivity improvement.

I find it lets me run 4 or 5 command-lines simultaneously. :)

this morning I resized 1000 jpeg images to approx 1200 and 120000 pixels,
while woring in the web site that will use them. there may be GUI tools capable
of doing that in less than a week, but I haven't seen them.

Bye.
Jasen
 
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David Maynard

Jasen said:
I find it lets me run 4 or 5 command-lines simultaneously. :)

this morning I resized 1000 jpeg images to approx 1200 and 120000 pixels,
while woring in the web site that will use them. there may be GUI tools capable
of doing that in less than a week, but I haven't seen them.

There may not be any but I never said a GUI was the ideal solution to
everything.

On the other hand, it would have been a real pain looking at that web site
at the same time on a text command line ;)
 
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Fred Abse

On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:16:18 -0600, David Maynard wrote:

the GUI *was* the (second
half) of the 'big idea' that made Microsoft what it is

Invented at Xerox PARC

Introduced to the market by Apple
 
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David Maynard

Fred said:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:16:18 -0600, David Maynard wrote:




Invented at Xerox PARC

Introduced to the market by Apple

You came to the discussion late. The 'big idea' we speak of is context
specific and refers to Microsoft making Windows for the purpose of running
their Apple developed office applications (which is why I refer to it as
the "second half"), not that the GUI concept was their idea.
 
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David Maynard

Plague said:
They were sent through HAL.
"Dave? What are you doing, Dave?"

Open the pod bay doors, HAL.

Ever notice that all the letters in HAL are just one off of IBM?
HAL
IBM
 
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Mxsmanic

David said:
Ever notice that all the letters in HAL are just one off of IBM?
HAL
IBM

About 35 years ago.

However, nobody has found a way to transform HAL into Microsoft, so
the conspiracy theories died out with the decline of IBM.

IBM provided a great deal of technical assistance in the making of the
film, though.
 
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David Maynard

Mxsmanic said:
David Maynard writes:




About 35 years ago.

hehe. Yeah, me too.
However, nobody has found a way to transform HAL into Microsoft, so
the conspiracy theories died out with the decline of IBM.

So true.

I wonder if anyone tried playing it backwards to hear satanic sounds?
IBM provided a great deal of technical assistance in the making of the
film, though.

No wonder HAL went a bit loopy ;)
 
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Mxsmanic

David said:
No wonder HAL went a bit loopy ;)

IBM was a good company in its time. Like so many computer companies,
it first developed problems with marketing and management, and these
eventually contaminated engineering departments. It's depressing to
think how many major mistakes in managing computer companies have been
driven by marketing and sales decisions. As one of a trillion
examples, just look at Intel's marketing-driven decision to pursue
inferior microprocessor architectures just so that it could run chips
at faster clock speeds (thereby satisfying clueless marketroids with
higher and higher GHz numbers).
 
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David Maynard

Mxsmanic said:
David Maynard writes:




IBM was a good company in its time. Like so many computer companies,
it first developed problems with marketing and management, and these
eventually contaminated engineering departments. It's depressing to
think how many major mistakes in managing computer companies have been
driven by marketing and sales decisions. As one of a trillion
examples, just look at Intel's marketing-driven decision to pursue
inferior microprocessor architectures just so that it could run chips
at faster clock speeds (thereby satisfying clueless marketroids with
higher and higher GHz numbers).

And it's a shame how many companies have been ruined by letting engineering
make the decisions. But those don't usually get large enough to easily notice.
 
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Jasen Betts

["Followup-To:" header set to sci.electronics.basics.]
About 35 years ago.

However, nobody has found a way to transform HAL into Microsoft, so
the conspiracy theories died out with the decline of IBM.

The same trick can turn VMS int WNT (Windows NT)....

the way I heard it MS got a bunch of
ex-DEC people who had worked on VMS

Bye.
Jasen
 
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Mxsmanic

David said:
And it's a shame how many companies have been ruined by letting engineering
make the decisions.

Companies like Hewlett-Packard seem to have done well with engineers
at the helm.
 
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David Maynard

Mxsmanic said:
David Maynard writes:




Companies like Hewlett-Packard seem to have done well with engineers
at the helm.

First, I didn't say "all" and secondly, do you really think they have no
marketing department or, since they do, ignore them?

The real point was that single minded reliance on any one perspective is
potentially destructive and that it takes a proper mix of them all.
 
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