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What Does Your Electronics Workshop Look Like?

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Scott Dorsey

Too_Many_Tools said:
"Finally gave away my last old AkroMills metal cabinet (50 drawer) to
new
amateur earlier this year."

Does anyone make a METAL cabinet anymore like the older Akromills ones?

I think Akro-Mills still does, but they don't sell them through consumer
outlets. Try Applied Industrial Technology (ie. Maintenance America).
--scott
 
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Too_Many_Tools

Thanks NT....I appreciate your detailed response....very helpful.

Anyone else?

How about arrangement of test equiptment? I have seen many benchs
overtaken by stacks of equipment with it running over on the floor.


TMT
 
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Rich Grise

Though it creates static hell IME. I much prefer wood, it will insulate
personnel from anything too nasty, but without the static. (avoid
nailing wood to concrete, which conducts.) With floor insulation you
have to keep fondling the benches as you walk along, else you build up
enough static to get bit just from crossing the room. A real hallmark
of poor design imho, yet seems to be industry standard here, including
in labs working on ESD sensitive kit.

http://www.google.com/search?q="antistatic+carpet"

Cheers!
Rich
 
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Rich Grise

Its yet another advantage of cardboard boxes on wood shelving, makes it
looks like a downmarket shack filled with junk. May not look flash, but
it means you get to keep it. Probably more useful for self contained
unguarded units than corporate workshops.

And another cool thing you can do is label them all "Misc.". Drives the
visitors nuts! ;-)

Cheers!
Rich
 
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Mr Fed UP

Holly Crap!!! You have anyplace I can get a pick-up truck load of money
for all these
suggestions? LOL

I like to build me a "play with my radio toys" bench not a do everything
Electronics Lab.
Some nice suggestions, but waaaay out of the average Hams pocket book I
thinks.

May need to plan what it is you really want the bench for. You could spend
the rest
of your life putting it all together and not enjoying the things you want to
play with.
After all, if you look at the ARRL Handbook; it would be nearly impossible
to have
one workbench to fit all aspects of Ham Radio. From QRP to Satellite..
Wheeew!
what a spread. Better think about it for a while first. Remember it's not
the one with
the most toys that wins.... It's the one who gets to play the most with
their toys.

Keep the ideas coming though, might be a few good ones I can afford on my SS
check. :)

No suggestions for the apartment size cooler for the beer and a chair for
the visiting novice?
Er better make that a recliner.... some of my stories take a while. ie.
Rag Chew Award
Then there was the time......

73 K4TWO Gary
 
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GregS


I like wood benches for some of the same reasons.
I have been using a rubber static relief mat, that holds up
under high heat, and also has a natural curl, so parts
always settle back inside the mat, and not roll away.
This thing is great. I doubt if MCM still has a similar item.
The stock number on the mat is not currently valid.

I've been using color printers
more lately, for laying out various things, either building things
or fixing things. Having a circuit board, you can take pictures of both
sides, then flip one side, and you can more easily trouble shoot or
build things. Having a color laserprinter makes the process faster.

Having multiple benches is almost mandatory for certain projects.
I frequently use a Rubbermaid cart to put equipment on, and
work right there on the cart. You can always push the cart away, and
work on something else. Its also necessary sometimes for big
or heavy objects, even dripping things like water baths. Screws, etc.,
stay inside the carts tray.

A very bright flashlight held along the floor, will usually find parts
much more easily than just looking around.

At home I have had "workbenches". but my number one work bench,
was the top of a washing machine. Its a bitch when the screws
fall inside.

greg
 
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Michael A. Terrell

Rich said:
And another cool thing you can do is label them all "Misc.". Drives the
visitors nuts! ;-)

Cheers!
Rich


Amateur! Number the boxes, then tell them you lost the index.
 
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Too_Many_Tools

"What are you planning to do with all this TMT, set up a new workshop,
write a book?

NT "

I am setting up a new test bench and am trying to learn from the
experiences of others.

Write a book? No, but if there were a good one I would buy it. Has
anyone ever seen the "The Workshop Book" and the The Workbench Book"
for wood workers? I sure wish ones existed for electronic hobbywork.

Does anyone have any books they would suggest that would discuss
setting up this type of workshop?

TMT
 
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Michael A. Terrell

Too_Many_Tools said:
"What are you planning to do with all this TMT, set up a new workshop,
write a book?

NT "

I am setting up a new test bench and am trying to learn from the
experiences of others.

Write a book? No, but if there were a good one I would buy it. Has
anyone ever seen the "The Workshop Book" and the The Workbench Book"
for wood workers? I sure wish ones existed for electronic hobbywork.

Does anyone have any books they would suggest that would discuss
setting up this type of workshop?

TMT


It would be difficult, because no two home electronics workbenches
have the equipment or tools. That is why i have several benches,
including a couple extra that are stacked up in the corner for the next
time I get a batch of test equipment.
 
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Bill

Michael said:
Too_Many_Tools wrote:
It would be difficult, because no two home electronics workbenches
have the equipment or tools. That is why i have several benches,
including a couple extra that are stacked up in the corner for the next
time I get a batch of test equipment.

I have "thousands" of ideas should you need one.

-Bill
 
From: Too_Many_Tools on Dec 21, 5:32 pm

I am setting up a new test bench and am trying to learn from the
experiences of others.

Having done some home hobby work in radio-electronics for, oh,
about 58 years give-or-take, I'll suggest some basics:

1. The Bench itself:

1.1 A possibility is the "butcher block" slab top, usually
made for an island in a kitchen. Finished or unfinished,
it can have your choice of legs added, attach shelves
above it, all fastened into the wood. Various sizes
are available, depends on supplier.*

1.2 Use a solid-core wood door blank with choice of legs.
Lumberyards carry those. Solid-core doors allow
fasteners any place along the surface. Avoid the
standard or hollow-core types. I gave a friend the
door I had (covered in celotex glued on) for model
aircraft building; he still does giant-scale R/C
still using balsa construction. No warping in it yet.

1.3 1-inch thick 7-ply (minimum) plywood can be had at
lumberyards and, for a slight extra fee, cut to size
you specify. Depending on size of lumber yard, can be
had with your choice of surface veneer, "finish one
side" (cheaper) or "finish both sides."

2. Bench superstructures:

2.1 Test equipment shelving or support for stacked parts
bins can be done from do-it-yourself wall-mounting
shelf units, bracket-mounted to rear of bench top.

2.2 Wall-standard shelving can have its standards mounted
on a slab of plywood (3/4" minimum suggested) attached
to back of bench top, shelves bought ready-made in
modular sizes.** Limited shelf depth to about 12"
maximum for modular shelving. Can also use plywood
cut to order but will seldom find standard brackets
to hold shelving deeper than 14".

3. A place to sit:

"Task chairs" such as are found at sales times at
Office Depot or Office Max, those usually adjustable for
height desired of bench top above floor. Various choices
of upholstery; plastic suggested to avoid solder splashes
sticking to woven fabric. Sales time prices around $40.

4. Convenient Parts/Tools Storage

4.1 Home storage containers with clear sides for visibility,
available from 10" widths to 18" widths (from Sterilite)
and are found in some food supermarkets for an average
of about $13 (Ralphs Markets in southern California).

4.2 Akro-Mills small parts cabinets. Three sizes available
now, all-plastic but sturdy. [they have a website too]
I have four of those in my workshop now, easily screwed
to a back wall of particle board and they have been
holding about 150 pounds of stuff for a couple years.
Price and availability is, unfortunately variable. I
saw mine first at an OSH sale, grabbed them while there.

* IKEA has lots of individual pieces for sale so their full
catalog is needed for detailed sizes. Six years ago I made
twin computer benches out of IKEA butcher-block kitchen tops,
using their legs for tables, added keyboard slide-out trays
using slides from Home Depot. The butcher-block tops finished
very nicely using just thinned sanding sealer but they come
very flat and can take cementing-on of melamine laminate if
that is preferred. IKEA has a website with most size details.

** OSH = Orchard Supply Hardware, a do-it-yourself store that is
in the southern California region. Their website isn't a
catalog but they do offer some do-it-yourself project ideas.
Lowe's or Home Depot have the same but the product lines they
carry are seldom complete...they tend towards certain sizes
of their products and product models (same for OSH). I do
know the local OSH has a good line of wall shelving; that
enabled me to build 39 lineal feet of book shelving on one
wall of our office at home.

Luckier than most home owners, I had a 13' x 13' center room to
play with, subdivided that in half, using "my" half for the
center workshop, making false walls and cabinets as well as the
bench itself (3/4" ply on 2" x 2" framing supports). Do NOT use
any vinyl top material as I did...it tends to hold solder
splashings and still reacts with masking tape (all-around-use
temporary fastener) adhesive. Avoid paint for the bench top
(useless in the long run). Bare wood okay and, if it gets too
dirty, just use an orbital sander on it to take off the worst.
Use good lighting. I have two double 4-foot flourescent units
as the main lights, a "fill" light without hot spots. I had
two long AC outlet strips but those managed to corrode inside
and go phut. Surge-protected 6 to 8 outlet strips are all over
the stores now at less than $10 each (I got a half dozen at $5
each on a local sale). Be alert. Bargains happen! :)

Using up a pad of paper in planning is a good idea. I like 1/8"
"quadrille" pads and do simple drawings in scale (for big things)
to get the arrangements and sizes right. For benches, plan the
heights that suit you, not the "traditional" heights which might
have suited an old production shop. That and sizes available
from vendors lets me plan fairly well the overall costs.

[email protected]
 
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Dino Papas

There's a pretty good book available that covers a lot of the basics:

"Build Your Own Electronics Workshop" by Tom Petruzzellis

ISBN 0-07-144724-5 (McGraw Hill Publisher)

Not the answer to all but gives you some pretty good ideas to use as
departure points as you put your shop together.

Dino KL0S/4
 
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Rich Grise

"What are you planning to do with all this TMT, set up a new workshop,
write a book?

NT "

I am setting up a new test bench and am trying to learn from the
experiences of others.

This is the kind of deal where you make up your own experience. You sit
at a blank bench, and put your project in front of you, and go, "Now,
where would I like my power supply, DVM, and scope be sitting while
I do this?"

Personally, I like to have everything possible at my fingertips, so
I go with a U-shaped bench, a chair on wheels, and two tiers of shelves
for stuff.

So use your imagination! Make up the workbench of your dreams, custom-
tailored to your very own personal specification. :)

Have Fun!
Rich
 
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Ian White GM3SEK

Fred said:
It always has to be thick insulating mats rated for 20KV, any IC
dropped on the floor is considered lost and not used, a screw is a
different matter, you shouldn't have to hunt for a hard to find screw,
you should be able to cut to length any replacement.
Someone had a very good idea about finding dropped parts: vacuum the
floor occasionally* with a sheer filter (women's tights) stretched over
the cleaner nozzle.

Not the most anti-static solution imaginable, but it does work.


* Once every ten years, whether it needs it or not.
 
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Rich Grise, but drunk

Someone had a very good idea about finding dropped parts: vacuum the
floor occasionally* with a sheer filter (women's tights) stretched over
the cleaner nozzle.

I'd lose track of whatever I was doing, and go play with the woman
who isn't wearing the tights. ;-P

Cheers!
Rich
 
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Too_Many_Tools

"There's a pretty good book available that covers a lot of the basics:

"Build Your Own Electronics Workshop" by Tom Petruzzellis

ISBN 0-07-144724-5 (McGraw Hill Publisher) "


Thanks for the lead.

TMT
 
So, what suggestions do you have for setting up a good efficient
3 more things cross my small mind.

Adjustable mirror, a must have for working on fitted pcbs, so you can
see both sides. Also a light shone through the board is handy - but not
an anglepoise.

Someone mentioned painted benches: my best one was joined painted steel
benches, and I had no problem with the paint finish. It all depends on
the type of paint. But I prefer wood to metal, its safer and doesnt
short things.

Someone also mentioned the question of social security budget
workshops. For these, sheet wood on the bed makes a put-away-able
workbench, shelving units can be made from scrap wood, but the one
thing I would most recommend for low budgets is a melting pot. With one
of these, you can get lots of components off scrap equipment boards,
and avoid a lot of part purchasing.

Oh, for visitors: instead of using box numbers, use box names. And make
'em gory :) Brains, best.
Brains, reject
Necks
and other things I wont mention


NT
 
I noticed the reference in meow2's posting the question of budget
workbenches. If anyone is interested, I have 2 references to simple,
inexpensive workbench designs that I have used successfully. Both are
made of plywood or similar material.

A small, but very useful one can be made from a 4'x4' (half sheet) of
3/4" plywood and provides a 24"x40" top. I built one of these for my
wood shop using cheap plywood, though MDF would do. The second has a
28"x65" top and is cut from a full sheet. I used 3/4" MDF for this and
it works great as a desk or as a work table.

As the designs are in published materials, I don't feel right posting
them to a site or a NG. I would be willing to respond to an email at:
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-- (If I'm posting to who I think I'm posting to, you won't have
trouble figuring out my email id. If you can't. please don't flame me
for being too clever, but ask and I will find a different way.

73
Basil B., soon-to-be VA3 something (I HOPE)
 
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