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I don't find anything at this link...
Just tried the one in your reply, it works for me. Just the same the text
of the like gives you the lookup hook, H.R.3590. Give that to your
favorite search engine.
?-)
I don't find anything at this link...
I'm glad to oblige in part, but since you're the one trying to take my
medical options and dictate what I must do, I'd think the main burden
of proof should be yours.
I'll support my claim, and I'll look forward to your basis for saying
people can keep their plans.
Evidence, by definition, doesn't exist for something that hasn't
happened yet; anything I point you to will be opinion, estimation, and
analysis. Also, many of the issues are complex--this is 20% of the
American economy we're talking about. So, strap on your thinking cap!
PRIVATE EMPLOYEES
This analysis relates to the House plan. That didn't thankfully pass--
it was worse--but many of the same considerations apply:
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/07/20...e-your-current-insurance-period-end-of-story/
They estimated 83 million people would lose their private insurance
options (out of roughly 130 million employed, or about 2/3rds)
MEDICARE ADVANTAGE
Medicare Advantage (covers a tremendous number of seniors' plans),
hurt by recently published rules:
http://insureblog.blogspot.com/2013/02/medicare-advantage-plans-lose-under.html
MEDICAID
Currently only about 60% of the people who qualify for Medicaid are on
it (in many cases because they're otherwise covered, such as through
employment, or a spouse). Obamacare pushes that to 100% (which is why
states are resisting Obamacaid, the expanded program under Obamacare.)
Under my reading of section 1311 of the law, if you go to a state
exchange to check out private insurance, the state's computerized
system--by law--examines the medical, family, employment, benefit, and
IRS tax records of everyone in your household. If it determines you
qualify for Medicaid, by law, you will be automatically enrolled in
Obamacaid. (1311(d)(4)(F))
So, you said "it has no (or very little) impact on everyone who
already has insurance." Above are three major groups in America, with
insurance, whose coverage is affected, both regarding cost and
coverage.
It was a promise he made, widely disseminated and repeated in his
speeches--he said Obamacare would save families $2,500 a year.
This is a pay link, but the free preview says it all...
http://news.investors.com/092412-626848-health-premiums-up-3065-obama-vowed-2500-cut.aspx?p=full
Why invent reasons and purposes for things? Why not just look them
up?
Of course a tax is an overhead expense for Americans. Fees too--I
don't understand what you're talking about here.
But, I misspoke on the 3%--I was conflating it with the (separate) tax
on insurance itself.
The 3% is a fee on insurance sold thru the health insurance
"exchanges," to cover the cost of operating this new middle-man /
bureaucracy. That's not in, but is authorized in O/C, and has been
promulgated in the HHS Secretary's recent regulations for exchanges.
So, besides requiring coverages, lower deductibles, no caps, and
funding coverage for 10% of America with its premiums too, as the
first step in making insurance "cheaper"--in addition to all of those
added expenses--we have a 3% "fee" for the exchange, an additional tax
on the insurance itself, plus a tax on all the medical devices you buy
and / or drugs you might need.
As I keep saying, all of those cost more.
I'll address more later...I gotta run.
He must be happy with your supporting info.
I think you already stole his tongue.
Or just not interested. It's a lot easier and happier to listen to
the propaganda--and I do mean propaganda. The lunch is free. No one
has to pay. Adding more government departments between you and your
doctor increases your choice and decreases the cost.
Most of the supporters aren't using their critical reasoning, and/or
don't have enough information to know; they take Obama on faith.
I spent part of this morning reading HHS' old press releases. It's
truly breathtaking to see such dissembling--the very scale of such
misinformation, calculated to deceive--from a government agency. I'm
not talking about subjective judgements here either. There are plenty
of those, but I mean outright, systematic, deliberate misstatement of
known objective facts.
It would be one thing to ask the American people, "Should we hike
premiums 20% to cover poor people, and increase future rate growth" or
whatever, and have us agree to it. But, to pass it without letting
even our congressmen see it, to insist it costs less when it costs
more, that you can keep your plan when it's meticulously calculated to
make sure you can't--that's scary.
Obamacare is remarkable not just for what it does, but what it makes
it possible for any government to do in the future--track you in real
time, and force you to buy any good or service they desire.
Who is John Galt?
Can't they do that already? Don't you have insurance on your car?
Track you in real time??? You got me on that one... How does that
happen? Are they giving us ID cards with trackers built in, or are you
talking about the GPS tracking built into the free cell phones everyone
has to have with them at all times?
What the heck are you talking about???
Americans spend about $7,500 per capita annually on medical care.
Upthread, you thought it was reasonable to count anyone who spent
$5,000 over two years as a "medical bankruptcy."
That's not thinking critically.
They can't make you buy a car. They can't make you buy food
"insurance." Oh, wait--actually, now they can. They can make you buy
both--Obamacare says.
The exchanges. They collect, aggregate, and share your personal
medical, employment, financial, tax, and other information, the same
on everyone in your household, and share it. Your IRS records--
previously strictly protected by law--are now freely shared between
agencies, and internet-accessible (with the right password, one
assumes).
Makes you want to call me a lunatic, right? I don't blame you. Go
ahead and do it--I'll cite you straight from the f***ing law.
Just tried the one in your reply, it works for me. Just the same the text
of the like gives you the lookup hook, H.R.3590. Give that to your
favorite search engine.
?-)
Americans spend about $7,500 per capita annually on medical care.
Upthread, you thought it was reasonable to count anyone who spent
$5,000 over two years as a "medical bankruptcy."
That's not thinking critically.
Or just not interested. It's a lot easier and happier to listen to
the propaganda--and I do mean propaganda. The lunch is free. No one
has to pay. Adding more government departments between you and your
doctor increases your choice and decreases the cost.
Most of the supporters aren't using their critical reasoning, and/or
don't have enough information to know; they take Obama on faith.
I spent part of this morning reading HHS' old press releases. It's
truly breathtaking to see such dissembling--the very scale of such
misinformation, calculated to deceive--from a government agency. I'm
not talking about subjective judgements here either. There are plenty
of those, but I mean outright, systematic, deliberate misstatement of
known objective facts.
It would be one thing to ask the American people, "Should we hike
premiums 20% to cover poor people, and increase future rate growth" or
whatever, and have us agree to it. But, to pass it without letting
even our congressmen see it, to insist it costs less when it costs
more, that you can keep your plan when it's meticulously calculated to
make sure you can't--that's scary.
Obamacare is remarkable not just for what it does, but what it makes
it possible for any government to do in the future--track you in real
time, and force you to buy any good or service they desire.
No one you'd understand.
What he means is that a one-time expense of $5,000, out of pocket,
will bankrupt but $7,500 (or $20,000) every year, laundered through
the federal government, is not only quite affordable but downright
patriotic.
Where did you get this number? I expect this is an *average* which is
very different from saying that most or even *many* people spend this
much. Do you understand statistics?
I have to pay unemployment insurance. Does that count? Or do I have
the choice of not working?
In *real time*??? The instant I skin my knee the feds are on it!
No, I don't call people names. but the IRS is not Obamacare...
If you
are worried about real time tracking you should be worried about the
real bad guys, Google and the cell phone companies! Don't think for a
moment they are benevolent.