Stability of older Orcad/PSpice combos?

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[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] wrote:

[...]

You can Cntl-uncheck wires before the move. Uncheck them in the segment
*before* the segment you don't want to "push". Also, only push in one
direction at a time. It's dumb but not as bad as you indicate. OTOH, bundle
(bus) operation is backwards. There, you want to select the segment. ...and
taps still get messed up no matter what you do.
Ok, but why on earth do I have to uncheck wires when such behavior is
never desired by anyone in his right mind?
Got me! It's not rational but it's a "rule" that's not all that onerous.

Ah, I see, it's like the tax code then

Have you tried lifting the tax code? ;-)

No, but others have. Obviously people manage to lift stuff and nobody
notices or it's even legit. There was this guy in our morning paper who
said he made "only" $200k last year and somehow managed to (legally) pay
a grand total of $2k in taxes. That's sick.

I don't know if it's the same person, but did you catch the analysis of his
return? Basically, it was a crock.

Nothing is perfect. Eagle still doesn't have a hierarchy so it's not
useful for larger projects until V6, where it's supposed to come. But in
all other respects it is nearly as close to perfect as Orcad-SDT was.

I was referring to their attitude that "hierarchy wasn't needed".

 

[Joerg]

[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] wrote:
[...]

You can Cntl-uncheck wires before the move. Uncheck them in the segment
*before* the segment you don't want to "push". Also, only push in one
direction at a time. It's dumb but not as bad as you indicate. OTOH, bundle
(bus) operation is backwards. There, you want to select the segment. ...and
taps still get messed up no matter what you do.
Ok, but why on earth do I have to uncheck wires when such behavior is
never desired by anyone in his right mind?
Got me! It's not rational but it's a "rule" that's not all that onerous.

Ah, I see, it's like the tax code then
Have you tried lifting the tax code? ;-)

No, but others have. Obviously people manage to lift stuff and nobody
notices or it's even legit. There was this guy in our morning paper who
said he made "only" $200k last year and somehow managed to (legally) pay
a grand total of $2k in taxes. That's sick.

I don't know if it's the same person, but did you catch the analysis of his
return? Basically, it was a crock.

Are you sure? Got a link? I doubt he would have given his name to a
journalist if it was all cooked up because the IRS reads newspapers,
too. I think it was Eric Schoenberg or something like that.

I was referring to their attitude that "hierarchy wasn't needed".

Yes, that was weird. They seem to come from the hobby corner but the
guys there sure know electronics. Cadsoft has NNTP support groups (a
_very_ smart choice of theirs). Occasionally someone gets stuck on a
design issue that's not CAD related and the guys comment on the actual
circuitry.

 

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[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] wrote:

[...]

You can Cntl-uncheck wires before the move. Uncheck them in the segment
*before* the segment you don't want to "push". Also, only push in one
direction at a time. It's dumb but not as bad as you indicate. OTOH, bundle
(bus) operation is backwards. There, you want to select the segment. ...and
taps still get messed up no matter what you do.
Ok, but why on earth do I have to uncheck wires when such behavior is
never desired by anyone in his right mind?
Got me! It's not rational but it's a "rule" that's not all that onerous.

Ah, I see, it's like the tax code then
Have you tried lifting the tax code? ;-)

No, but others have. Obviously people manage to lift stuff and nobody
notices or it's even legit. There was this guy in our morning paper who
said he made "only" $200k last year and somehow managed to (legally) pay
a grand total of $2k in taxes. That's sick.

I don't know if it's the same person, but did you catch the analysis of his
return? Basically, it was a crock.

Are you sure? Got a link? I doubt he would have given his name to a
journalist if it was all cooked up because the IRS reads newspapers,
too. I think it was Eric Schoenberg or something like that.

I'll look. I read an article on one such case recently. He was a college
professor (accounting, or some such) who did this as a hook to get attention.
It wasn't something a "normal" person would do (give everything away just so
you don't pay taxes isn't a "normal" tax strategy). The bottom line was that
after his "strategy" he had an earned income of $32K, down from over $200K. He
did pay a ton of taxes, BTW, just not federal income tax.

Yes, that was weird. They seem to come from the hobby corner but the
guys there sure know electronics. Cadsoft has NNTP support groups (a
_very_ smart choice of theirs). Occasionally someone gets stuck on a
design issue that's not CAD related and the guys comment on the actual
circuitry.

Xilinx has quite a presence on comp.arch.fpga. It's smart but there is a
reason large companies don't like to do it.

 

[Joerg]

[...]

Yes, that was weird. They seem to come from the hobby corner but the
guys there sure know electronics. Cadsoft has NNTP support groups (a
_very_ smart choice of theirs). Occasionally someone gets stuck on a
design issue that's not CAD related and the guys comment on the actual
circuitry.

Xilinx has quite a presence on comp.arch.fpga. It's smart but there is a
reason large companies don't like to do it.

Large companies are often not very smart when it comes to customer
relations. Cadsoft runs their own NNTP server, it's not Usenet. You set
up an account on your newsreader, no password or any of that needed,
done. Their Canadian dealer set up a web based forum that runs in
parallel, and actually works nicely. Then Cadsoft was bought by Farnell
and they set up some fluffy-fancy-feelgood "web portal". As was to be
expected that ended up being on the more horrid side. But luckily they
left the staff and management intact, so the quality of the software
hasn't gone downhill like in so many other acquisition cases.

 

[John KD5YI]

Prove it, Rat_Bastard. Otherwise, STFU.

The subject was using the word "crapture" you wanking rat-bastard idiot.
Thanks for proving my case.

 

[Joerg]

[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] wrote:
[...]

You can Cntl-uncheck wires before the move. Uncheck them in the segment
*before* the segment you don't want to "push". Also, only push in one
direction at a time. It's dumb but not as bad as you indicate. OTOH, bundle
(bus) operation is backwards. There, you want to select the segment. ...and
taps still get messed up no matter what you do.
Ok, but why on earth do I have to uncheck wires when such behavior is
never desired by anyone in his right mind?
Got me! It's not rational but it's a "rule" that's not all that onerous.

Ah, I see, it's like the tax code then
Have you tried lifting the tax code? ;-)

No, but others have. Obviously people manage to lift stuff and nobody
notices or it's even legit. There was this guy in our morning paper who
said he made "only" $200k last year and somehow managed to (legally) pay
a grand total of $2k in taxes. That's sick.
I don't know if it's the same person, but did you catch the analysis of his
return? Basically, it was a crock.

Are you sure? Got a link? I doubt he would have given his name to a
journalist if it was all cooked up because the IRS reads newspapers,
too. I think it was Eric Schoenberg or something like that.

Just put about 8 million dollars into tax-free bonds. Simple!

AFAIR a large chunk of his AGI was work-related income.

 

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[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] wrote:

[...]

You can Cntl-uncheck wires before the move. Uncheck them in the segment
*before* the segment you don't want to "push". Also, only push in one
direction at a time. It's dumb but not as bad as you indicate. OTOH, bundle
(bus) operation is backwards. There, you want to select the segment. ...and
taps still get messed up no matter what you do.
Ok, but why on earth do I have to uncheck wires when such behavior is
never desired by anyone in his right mind?
Got me! It's not rational but it's a "rule" that's not all that onerous.

Ah, I see, it's like the tax code then
Have you tried lifting the tax code? ;-)

No, but others have. Obviously people manage to lift stuff and nobody
notices or it's even legit. There was this guy in our morning paper who
said he made "only" $200k last year and somehow managed to (legally) pay
a grand total of $2k in taxes. That's sick.

I don't know if it's the same person, but did you catch the analysis of his
return? Basically, it was a crock.

Are you sure? Got a link?

Here it is (I needed the name):

http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/johnransom/2011/04/27/it_tax_a_village/page/full/

I doubt he would have given his name to a
journalist if it was all cooked up because the IRS reads newspapers,
too. I think it was Eric Schoenberg or something like that.

Tax avoidance isn't illegal. Why would he hide his name if his point was to
make news?
<...>

 

[Joerg]

[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] wrote:
[...]

You can Cntl-uncheck wires before the move. Uncheck them in the segment
*before* the segment you don't want to "push". Also, only push in one
direction at a time. It's dumb but not as bad as you indicate. OTOH, bundle
(bus) operation is backwards. There, you want to select the segment. ...and
taps still get messed up no matter what you do.
Ok, but why on earth do I have to uncheck wires when such behavior is
never desired by anyone in his right mind?
Got me! It's not rational but it's a "rule" that's not all that onerous.

Ah, I see, it's like the tax code then
Have you tried lifting the tax code? ;-)

No, but others have. Obviously people manage to lift stuff and nobody
notices or it's even legit. There was this guy in our morning paper who
said he made "only" $200k last year and somehow managed to (legally) pay
a grand total of $2k in taxes. That's sick.
I don't know if it's the same person, but did you catch the analysis of his
return? Basically, it was a crock.

Are you sure? Got a link?

Here it is (I needed the name):

http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/johnransom/2011/04/27/it_tax_a_village/page/full/

Thanks. $45k in brokerage fees alone? He must be wealthy dude. $46k
charitable is a good thing though, very commendable. But yeah, that does
shrink the AGI a lot. You are right, looks like he didn't find the magic
legal tricks.

Tax avoidance isn't illegal. Why would he hide his name if his point was to
make news?

Well, he didn't hide his name.

 

[[email protected]]

[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] wrote:
[...]

You can Cntl-uncheck wires before the move. Uncheck them in the segment
*before* the segment you don't want to "push". Also, only push in one
direction at a time. It's dumb but not as bad as you indicate. OTOH, bundle
(bus) operation is backwards. There, you want to select the segment. ...and
taps still get messed up no matter what you do.
Ok, but why on earth do I have to uncheck wires when such behavior is
never desired by anyone in his right mind?
Got me! It's not rational but it's a "rule" that's not all that onerous.

Ah, I see, it's like the tax code then
Have you tried lifting the tax code? ;-)

No, but others have. Obviously people manage to lift stuff and nobody
notices or it's even legit. There was this guy in our morning paper who
said he made "only" $200k last year and somehow managed to (legally) pay
a grand total of $2k in taxes. That's sick.
I don't know if it's the same person, but did you catch the analysis of his
return? Basically, it was a crock.

Are you sure? Got a link?

Here it is (I needed the name):

http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/johnransom/2011/04/27/it_tax_a_village/page/full/

Thanks. $45k in brokerage fees alone? He must be wealthy dude.

Quite. Inheretence and Wall St. money, IIRC. The super-rich don't mind
*income* taxes at all. They've made theirs and don't want competition.

$46k charitable is a good thing though, very commendable. But yeah, that does
shrink the AGI a lot. You are right, looks like he didn't find the magic
legal tricks.


Well, he didn't hide his name.

....and made the "news".

 

[[email protected]]

Voting the bums out is a good start.

Oops...

Too late.

Maybe it's time to feed the tree of liberty.

That's still plan-B.

 

[UltimatePatriot]

---
Not only is it not illegal, its a moral imperative for all of us to
find ways to keep the federal government from taxing us into a
hand-to-mouth existence.

Oops...

Too late.

Maybe it's time to feed the tree of liberty.

I was to get about $800 back. That's what I filed too.

They sent me $1200.

I'm not saying anything.

 

[UltimatePatriot]

Voting the bums out is a good start.


That's still plan-B.

I found an old abse post

Thompson wants to feed them cyanide. I thought they might like a
little stimulation.

You fuckers could probably benefit as well.

quoted post:

Nope. a 2000 mcg dose of d-LSD-25 in a very pure form would really do
a much better job.

That way, we could watch as at least one of them decides to go
"postal".

Most, however, would actually learn something.

Uhhh... maybe we should reduce that to 100 mcg since these would
almost assuredly all be "first timers".

One time, I took a hit of "Chocolate Mesc" which I understand is just
LSD with a fancy name - after about an hour, I was a little disappointed
that it wasn't working too well, so I took two more.

I saw God. =:-O

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Joerg]

I was to get about $800 back. That's what I filed too.

They sent me $1200.

This probably explains the $400 difference, assuming you are filing
individual:

http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=204447,00.html

I'm not saying anything.

Oh, they won't err one penny in your favor but they sure don't question
an obvious error in their favor. The first year after HSA was introduced
the software of the tax pros was screwed up. So I overpaid quite a bit
because my CPA's system filed the medical costs as income. The IRS has
the respective 1099s and their computers could easily flag this. But
they didn't. Oh well. Maybe those Dollar prevent us all from going over
the cliff

 

[UltimatePatriot]

This probably explains the $400 difference, assuming you are filing
individual:

http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=204447,00.html

Then they altered my return for it, as I never filed a schedule M.

Must be our workplace gov contractor status that auto-kicked it in.

 

[Joerg]

Then they altered my return for it, as I never filed a schedule M.

Must be our workplace gov contractor status that auto-kicked it in.

It doesn't have much to do with your status, whether you are an employee
or contractor, or whether your employer caters to the government. AFAIK
it's given to anyone who had taxable income from work.

 

[The_Giant_Rat_of_Sumatra]

The subject was using the word "crapture" you wanking rat-bastard idiot.

Not by reading your post. YOU made the subject something else. By your
very own words, idiot.

Thanks for proving my case.

Proving YOUR case!? HAHahahahahaha! You fucking retard! You only
proved that I was correct, and that it was you that has infected the
group with such discussion for the last few days.

I'd say that you are fairly obsessed with accusing others of your
affliction.

I am sure now, that you and the Larkin Retard bandwagon will shift the
criteria now.