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joe

pcbutts1 said:
They are less expensive but still too expensive.

I agree with you there. Any prices on your site?

You need Internet Explorer
to view the demos on my site. It also requires you to accept the Active X
install.

OK. will try itout.
 
The DVR is from $400-780 depends which one you buy, which company you
buy it from,and if you are an end user or dealer, and can go higher
depending where you live. There is one with a CDR and one without, and
you can also buy them without HDDs or with.

Those sites generally deal with dealers and wholesale pricing which is
why you dont see prices, plus prices change so much. Email them and
they WILL quote you a price, all except for Active-Tek..

URIEL is the cheapest as they strictly sell wholesale.

Active-Tek is the manufacturer of the actual case and hardware, the
boards as far as I can tell are mass produced by another company which
is used by several other korean manufacturers, such as "Nadatel" (main
reason being is they both only have 4 channel versions with same specs,
and are on the same time line for the release of the 8 and 16 channel
versions, this has been the same for a year now).

Active-Tek is even more wholesale than Uriel and will not sell to you
unless you are a huge company.
 
think about it though for a second. Now i sell PC based myself, as well
as stand alone embedded DVRs, mostly the GE DVRs though.

Any PC DVR, even the $99 card needs a decent PC if you are selling it
to a client and giving a warranty on it, other wise welcome to the
world of PC service, and alot of it.

Therefore even if you pick out the parts, and build it yourself you are
looking in the range of around $600-700 for a decent starter PC for a
dedicated DVR system.

Add time to phyically build it, load windows, the other software, clean
it up and tweak it, then at least 24 hours burn in time. You are then
well over $1000 for the PC alone.

Next add a decent PC DVR Card, say a 16 channel 120fps at $400 for
example.

Then, add time to show the client how to use it, as most PC DVRs, from
lowest end to highest end, can take some time to learn. I can install a
stand alone in 5-10 minutes and client knows how to use it. A PC based
DVR, forget it, and if they arent PC literate, good luck.

PC DVRs are good for high speed recording and easy upgrades of Hard
Drives. Stand alone embedded DVRs are good for plug, play, and forget,
easy install and simple to use, DVRs.

Personally I dont sell them only because I sell high end. Otherwise
they are very decent decent DVRs with as much features as most people
ever need.

AND, if you want a stand alone embedded plug and play DVR that doesnt
crash and is the ultimate cheap one on the market, try the AvTech
units, they have been around for a long time, and trust me, i have 1
here right now AvTech sent me to test (that means test only and review
it), and several 16 channels that we have tested to the max, and even
installed, and nothing I can do will crash them. They are budget, and
very little features, but, they are cheap, the ultimate budget DVR that
actually works. These are the ones with LAN for remote video by the
way.

Ones that have crashed after only minutes of testing - Neverfocus,
HiSharp, and Provideo.
 
J

joe

think about it though for a second. Now i sell PC based myself, as well
as stand alone embedded DVRs, mostly the GE DVRs though.

Any PC DVR, even the $99 card needs a decent PC if you are selling it
to a client and giving a warranty on it, other wise welcome to the
world of PC service, and alot of it.

Therefore even if you pick out the parts, and build it yourself you are
looking in the range of around $600-700 for a decent starter PC for a
dedicated DVR system.

Add time to phyically build it, load windows, the other software, clean
it up and tweak it, then at least 24 hours burn in time. You are then
well over $1000 for the PC alone.

Next add a decent PC DVR Card, say a 16 channel 120fps at $400 for
example.

Then, add time to show the client how to use it, as most PC DVRs, from
lowest end to highest end, can take some time to learn. I can install a
stand alone in 5-10 minutes and client knows how to use it. A PC based
DVR, forget it, and if they arent PC literate, good luck.

PC DVRs are good for high speed recording and easy upgrades of Hard
Drives. Stand alone embedded DVRs are good for plug, play, and forget,
easy install and simple to use, DVRs.

Personally I dont sell them only because I sell high end. Otherwise
they are very decent decent DVRs with as much features as most people
ever need.

AND, if you want a stand alone embedded plug and play DVR that doesnt
crash and is the ultimate cheap one on the market, try the AvTech
units, they have been around for a long time, and trust me, i have 1
here right now AvTech sent me to test (that means test only and review
it), and several 16 channels that we have tested to the max, and even
installed, and nothing I can do will crash them. They are budget, and
very little features, but, they are cheap, the ultimate budget DVR that
actually works. These are the ones with LAN for remote video by the
way.

Ones that have crashed after only minutes of testing - Neverfocus,
HiSharp, and Provideo.
what do you do to make them crash?
 
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pcbutts1

I agree with everything you say but just add a few things about PC based
dvr's. We started out selling only PC based dvr's. We went thru a lot of
them. A lot of crashes, we had one catch fire at the customers site. We have
tested so many for so many years I can tell a good one by just looking at
the picture quality. Stay away from Maxtor HD's AMD cpu's cheap
motherboards, and cheap video cards. In my opinion P4's are the best along
with western digital HD's. We used AMD's for a while but no matter how many
software changes and upgrades we could not get past that persistent picture
flickering that was caused by the AMD cpu. Maxtor HD's lasted about a year
before they went bad. This costs us money to replace because of labor. Since
we have been using Western Digital's not one has been returned. The good
thing about PC based I that you can upgrade them and at the rate things are
changing the way to go is PC based. We just started selling Embedded a few
months ago and it's going pretty good, it's Linux based. And the one who are
buying them is like you said, people who are not pc literate. We don't use
Geovision but in all my years of doing this I have to say that I have
nothing bad to say about Geovision systems. We use our own system Korean
based hardware. I get about 5 emails a day from upstart companies wanting me
to sell there product, most are crap.

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Connect to them via the network and then .... Playback ... crash most
of the time. When I say crash, means Locks up, have to manually reboot
the DVR.
 
F

Frank Olson

pcbutts1 said:
I agree with everything you say but just add a few things about PC based
dvr's. We started out selling only PC based dvr's. We went thru a lot of
them. A lot of crashes, we had one catch fire at the customers site. We
have tested so many for so many years I can tell a good one by just looking
at the picture quality. Stay away from Maxtor HD's AMD cpu's cheap
motherboards, and cheap video cards. In my opinion P4's are the best along
with western digital HD's. We used AMD's for a while but no matter how many
software changes and upgrades we could not get past that persistent picture
flickering that was caused by the AMD cpu. Maxtor HD's lasted about a year
before they went bad. This costs us money to replace because of labor.
Since we have been using Western Digital's not one has been returned. The
good thing about PC based I that you can upgrade them and at the rate
things are changing the way to go is PC based. We just started selling
Embedded a few months ago and it's going pretty good, it's Linux based. And
the one who are buying them is like you said, people who are not pc
literate. We don't use Geovision but in all my years of doing this I have
to say that I have nothing bad to say about Geovision systems. We use our
own system Korean based hardware. I get about 5 emails a day from upstart
companies wanting me to sell there product, most are crap.


Western Digital HD's, Intel "Seattle" MB's, Dual Xeon Chipset, Linux OS, ATI
Video Cards... Rock solid systems.

As for "Maxtor". I've noticed their quality has actually improved since
they acquired Quantum but I still lean towards WD...
 
J

joe

joe said:
checked out he nubix, looks good. what about the orbix? have you tried
those? 6o fps istead of 120. still not too bad though. are they made by
avtech too? are they triplex too? not alot of info on website.

DUH, I found the info on the orbix.
purchased the Nubix, hope you haven't steered me wrong, Rory dude. ;)
Nuby specs looks like a real good unit.
thanks
 
yeah its a great unit for the price .. i mean you can get it slightly
cheaper in wholesale, but thats the easiest route, the way you went.
.... who's rory :)
 
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