A Security Camera & DVR web site with some incredible prices.

[Rod Speed]

Pretzl wrote

The more light the better the image.

Thats not true with the best low light cameras.

Most also work with Infrared light as well.

But few have their own IR light built in.

 

[Petzl]

Thats not true with the best low light cameras.


But few have their own IR light built in.

I think that CCD sensors like my tape sony Video camera need little
light a 10 watt fluro (energy saver) provides a very good clear colour
face/body image at 2 metres outside. My camera has inbuilt night
vision again not effective above 2 metres and in a sort of black and
white image only. CMOS sensors do offer even lower light levels
resulting in clearer pictures than CCD do and are the main sensor type
used in latest DVD quality video cameras (IMO most certainly superior
image qualiy and cheaper than Swan in all respects).
My main problem with my CCD video cam is the street light gives me the
front number plate number the rear if lit is whited out as the video
cam has (automatic) adjusted for low light capture

 

[terryc]

The more light the better the image. Most also work with Infrared
light as well.

Sigh. It is all electromagnetic radiation. just that some cams respond
better in that area.

 

[terryc]

Pretzl wrote


Thats not true with the best low light cameras.

Which would be useless in daylight then?

 

[Rod Speed]

Pretzl wrote

I think that CCD sensors like my tape sony Video camera
need little light a 10 watt fluro (energy saver) provides a
very good clear colour face/body image at 2 metres outside.

The best security cameras do a hell of a lot better than that.

My camera has inbuilt night vision again not effective above 2 metres

The best security cameras do a hell of a lot better than that.

and in a sort of black and white image only. CMOS sensors do offer
even lower light levels resulting in clearer pictures than CCD do and
are the main sensor type used in latest DVD quality video cameras

That last is just plain wrong, you have it backwards.

(IMO most certainly superior image qualiy and cheaper than Swan in all respects).

Yes, but the swans arent the best security cameras around.

My main problem with my CCD video cam is the street light gives
me the front number plate number the rear if lit is whited out as
the video cam has (automatic) adjusted for low light capture

The best security cameras do a hell of a lot better than that.

 

[Rod Speed]

terryc wrote

Rod Speed wrote

Which would be useless in daylight then?

Nope, not with automatic aperture cameras.

 

[terryc]

The best security cameras do a hell of a lot better than that.

Only with supplementary lighting.

 

[Petzl]

Only with supplementary lighting.

The results I've seen from "security camera" images are complete
rubbish compared what one can get from a video cam?

 

[Petzl]

terryc wrote


Nope, not with automatic aperture cameras.

You can buy Automatic Apertures to fit cameras,
http://tinyurl.com/3mac75r
the video cameras change capture speed. Unless lighting is sufficient
in both cases, the image quality determinates accordingly. For night
time "silent/spying" surveillance (which I dont want) either the use
of infrared lighting (which can be bought) http://tinyurl.com/4298kpz
Or the use of special "night cameras"

 

[Petzl]

Sigh. It is all electromagnetic radiation. just that some cams respond
better in that area.

The set-up I use via a old Sony Video cam is for outside and just have
the camera looking out a window. It works well day and night the
street light provides enough light at night time. Takes better images
than I have ever seen in the local paper. The software I use is
supervisionCam which seems ok, it detects movement so its easy to go
over what images it has captured and creats "avi's" out of what images
I wish to keeI'm, looking at using a senconday digital camera 14
megabite to cut in/activate when video becomes "over" active (I can do
this by using/activating the cameras remote).

 

[Rod Speed]

terryc wrote

Rod Speed wrote

Only with supplementary lighting.

Wrong, as always.

 

[Rod Speed]

Pretzl wrote

The results I've seen from "security camera" images are complete
rubbish compared what one can get from a video cam?

Only because you have only seen the results from shit security cameras.

 

[Rod Speed]

Pretzl wrote

You can buy Automatic Apertures to fit cameras,
http://tinyurl.com/3mac75r

You dont need to with the better cameras, they have it already.

the video cameras change capture speed. Unless lighting is sufficient
in both cases, the image quality determinates accordingly.

Utterly mangled all over again.

For night time "silent/spying" surveillance (which I dont want) either the
use of infrared lighting (which can be bought) http://tinyurl.com/4298kpz
Or the use of special "night cameras"

What I said.

 

[Petzl]

Pretzl wrote


Only because you have only seen the results from shit security cameras.

Interested if you could provide a link to a good security image
petzl

 

[terryc]

The results I've seen from "security camera" images are complete
rubbish compared what one can get from a video cam?

Like anything, the early ones were crap, but now quality is just a
function of how much money you have.

 

[Petzl]

Like anything, the early ones were crap, but now quality is just a
function of how much money you have.

Still not seen a "security camera" that takes a better image than a
Video cam
The old tape type a virtually worthless but make a better alternative,
just looking at new Video cams seem even better
<http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/WATER-PR...=AU_Digital_Video_Cameras&hash=item4151f3e76a>
..or http://tinyurl.com/3q364by
(I don't use this example. I use a old tape type)
On top of this using software to capture images with video cam you can
then if needed activate a BIG camera (mines a 14 megapixle SLR) with
flash, to enhance your security options. This is done via a
printer/game port (I set it to take one main photo for every 10
2ndary)
http://www.supervisioncam.com/HttpRoot/Manual.enu/switch.htm
You have to get at printer port to USB
petzl

 

[Don McKenzie]

A Security Camera & DVR web site with some incredible prices.

Did you ever come across a web site that offers deals that seem so good, you didn't want to tell anyone else about it,
as you wanted to keep it all to yourself?

After what has been covered, I am very interested to see what is around as an alternative to the type of Swann Security
cameras that I mentioned initially in this thread.

Have a look at:
http://www.dontronics.com/webcam
This is one of five cameras running on my current DVR IP system. It runs 24/7. This single camera at this URL is echoed
to the net every 5 minutes via an ASUS 7" netbook.

Camera Specs: SWANN "OUTDOORCAM" COLOR SECURITY CAMERA Product Code: [SW214-ODC-23210]
380 TV Lines, 15ft (5m) infra-red night vision

Check it out after about 17:30 for the night vision properties.
Now these cameras have been available in the past, at a reduced price by SwannStore.com for around $45AUD.

Where can I get a 600 TVL security camera with night vision at a reasonable price?
I don't need to read number plates at night at 20 paces, but I wouldn't mind trying something a little upmarket to compare.

Cheers Don...

=======================


--
Don McKenzie

Dontronics Blog: http://www.GodzillaSeaMonkey.com
Dontronics Site Map: http://www.dontronics.com/sitemap
E-Mail Contact Page: http://www.dontronics.com/email
Web Camera Page: http://www.dontronics.com/webcam
No More Damn Spam: http://www.dontronics.com/spam

These products will reduce in price by 5% every month:
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/minus-5-every-month.html
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/ics.html

Bare Proto PCB for PIC or AVR projects?
"I'd buy that for a Dollar!".
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/simmstick-fifteen-years-on.html

 

[terryc]

Still not seen a "security camera" that takes a better image than a
Video cam

You might not have, but I have. Try searching for a few and their sample
images.

 

[Petzl]

You might not have, but I have. Try searching for a few and their sample
images.

I have! Many seem reluctant to show samples
Heres what I get primary through window (sony video)
http://home.iprimus.com.au/petzl/polce1.jpg
Secondary in raw mode is 14 meg but compressed it with JPG to 0.8 meg
http://home.iprimus.com.au/petzl/police.jpg
petzl

 

[Rod Speed]

Pretzl wrote

I have looked at some but the images I have seen
from these cameras are inferior to what I already get

You need to get out more.

and not cheap

Corse they dont look cheap when you compare the price of
old used stuff and new stuff.

(not seen any results i would put quality wise above crap rating)

You need to get out more.

The auto aperture does help slow down "burn out" of the CCD maybe CMOS
type when used outside in full sun (always protect cameras from sun)

I also believe there are laws, council regulations
about recording what your neighbors do.

No there arent when that isnt deliberate.

An advantage with the software is I can mask recording areas of camera
so they do not capture movement taking place in neighbors area.

Thats not necessarily desirable when they have been burgled etc.

That said when camera does activate it does include images of my neighbors property.

Perfectly legal.