Rare Apple I computer sells for $216,000 in London

[Rod Speed]

SG1 wrote

Windows 1.01 (June 1985)

Well before MultiFinder as I said, and MultiFinder wasnt OS multitasking anyway.

Windows 1.0 is a 16-bit graphical operating environment released on
November 20, 1985. It was Microsoft's first attempt to implement a
multi-tasking graphical user interface-based operating environment on
the PC platform.

Well before MultiFinder as I said, and MultiFinder wasnt OS multitasking anyway.

Windows 2.03 (December 1987)

Windows 2.0 is a version of the Microsoft Windows graphical user
interface-based operating environment that superseded Windows 1.0.
Windows 2.0 was said to more closely match Microsoft's pre-release publicity for Windows 1.0, than Windows 1.0 did.

Irrelevant to the fact that multitasking showed up on Win well before it did on the Mac.

Windows 2.1 (June 1988)

Windows 2.1x is a family of Microsoft Windows graphical user
interface-based operating environments.
Less than a year after the release of Windows 2.0, Windows/286 2.1 and
Windows/386 2.1 were released on May 27, 1988.

Irrelevant to the fact that multitasking showed up on Win well before it did on the Mac.

Windows 3.0 (May 1990)

Windows 3.0 is the third major release of Microsoft Windows, and came
out on May 22, 1990. It became the first widely successful version of
Windows and a powerful rival to Apple Macintosh and the Commodore
Amiga on the GUI front. It was succeeded by Windows 3.1.

Irrelevant to the fact that multitasking showed up on Win well before it did on the Mac.

Windows 3.1 (April 1992)

Windows 3.1x is a graphical user interface and a part of the Microsoft
Windows software family. Several editions were released between 1992
and 1994, succeeding Windows 3.0. This family of Windows can run in
either Standard or 386 Enhanced memory modes. The exception is
Windows for Workgroups 3.11, which can only officially run in 386
Enhanced mode

Irrelevant to the fact that multitasking showed up on Win well before it did on the Mac.

Its only just now showed up on the iphone 4, LONG after it showed up in Win, decades later in fact.

 

[Rod Speed]

Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
SG1 wrote just the puerile shit thats all it can ever manage.

 

[Rod Speed]

Scott Lurndal wrote

Well, the topic was Apple I,

Nope, that bit wasnt.

which implies consumer=grade systems.

Networking doesnt, particularly between separate machines.

Burroughs (PPoE) had the capability to share files between
multiple systems (a al NFS/AppleTalk/NetWare) in the 1960's
with up to 8 hosts accessing a single spindle using FPM (file
protect memory) and later SSP (Shared Systems Processor)
for block-level lockout.

Irrelevant to whether Win networking was anything
like what Novell did, particularly for stupid users.

 

[Rod Speed]

Scott Lurndal wrote

Yet IE is still trying to catch up to Firefox.

Irrelevant to whether there has been any INNOVATION with IE.

 

[SG1]

Its only just now showed up on the iphone 4, LONG after it showed up in
Win, decades later in fact.

The iPhone is Irrelevant, just like Roddles

 

[Rod Speed]

Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
SG1 wrote just the puerile shit thats all it can ever manage.

 

[Joe Thompson]

SG1 wrote

No point, I know that DOS was nothing like a copy of CP/M.

DOS 1.0 was *very* much like CP/M, enough so that Kildall used the
similarity as leverage to get IBM to agree to sell CP/M for the PC as
well. DOS 2.0 was a total rewrite. -- Joe

 

[Joe Thompson]

Well before MultiFinder as I said, and MultiFinder wasnt OS
multitasking anyway.

Sure it was. It allowed programs to run (actually executing operations)
in the background. Until Win95, Windows didn't support anything better
than MultiFinder's capabilities. -- Joe

 

[Rod Speed]

Joe Thompson wrote

DOS 1.0 was *very* much like CP/M,

Nothing like a COPY of CP/M.

enough so that Kildall used the similarity as leverage
to get IBM to agree to sell CP/M for the PC as well.

Thats not how that happened. If it really was a COPY of CP/M, he would have sued and won.

DOS 2.0 was a total rewrite.

It was never a COPY of CP/M or even close either.

If it had been, there would have been no need for different versions of the apps.

 

[Rod Speed]

Joe Thompson wrote

Nothing like a COPY of CP/M.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/86-DOS

The most it did was share an api structure etc and had
significant changes in the detail with how CP/M operated,
most obviously with the automatic flushing to disk etc.

Nothing like a COPY of CP/M, it just used a
similar API so it was easy to port apps to it etc.

Thats not how that happened. If it really was a COPY of CP/M, he would have sued and won.

 

[Rod Speed]

Joe Thompson wrote

Sure it was.

Nope, it was an addon, not multitasking as part of the OS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MultiFinder

It allowed programs to run (actually executing operations)
in the background. Until Win95, Windows didn't support
anything better than MultiFinder's capabilities.

Irrelevant to the FACT that multitasking on Win was there well before MultiFinder.

 

[Joe Thompson]

Joe Thompson wrote


Nope, it was an addon, not multitasking as part of the OS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MultiFinder

It replaced the single-tasking Finder with a multitasking one. I'd call
that "part of the OS", akin to installing an extra module in a Linux
kernel. -- Joe

 

[Rod Speed]

Joe Thompson wrote

It replaced the single-tasking Finder with a multitasking one.
I'd call that "part of the OS",

More fool you. That the shell, not the OS.

akin to installing an extra module in a Linux kernel.

Nothing like it, actually.

And regardless, multitasking showed up with Win well before MultiFinder anyway.

 

[Rod Speed]

Joe Thompson wrote

More fool you. That the shell, not the OS.

And http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MultiFinder says

MultiFinder was the name of an extension software for the Apple Macintosh,
introduced on August 11, 1987 and included with System Software 5.
....
With the release of System 7, the MultiFinder extension was integrated with the operating system,

 

[Joe Thompson]

And http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MultiFinder says

MultiFinder was the name of an extension software for the Apple Macintosh,
introduced on August 11, 1987 and included with System Software 5.

Like I said...

I ran MultiFinder back in the day, I know a little more about it than
Wikipedia does. -- Joe

 

[Rod Speed]

Joe Thompson wrote

Like I said...

Nothing like what you said. AND you carefully deleted the crucial bit,

Which clearly says that initially it was NOT part of the OS.

That is completely and utterly flagrantly dishonest.

Nothing like it in fact.

I ran MultiFinder back in the day, I know a little more about it than Wikipedia does.

You clearly dont. And are flagrantly dishonest to boot.

 

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
SG1 wrote just the puerile shit thats all it can ever manage.

Well that didn't take long this time.

 

[Joe Thompson]

Joe Thompson wrote

Which clearly says that initially it was NOT part of the OS.

No, it says it was distributed as an extension. Unless you take the
extraordinarily narrow view that anything not in the System file was not
part of the OS (in which case most of the functionality of a base Mac
System install was not part of the OS, which is patently ridiculous),
MultiFinder was as much a part of the OS (though perhaps not the OS
kernel) as anything else in the System Folder. -- Joe

 

[Rod Speed]

Joe Thompson wrote
MORE of your flagrant dishonesty.

Lets have a look at it before your flagrantly dishonest editing shall we ?

You're a flagrantly dishonest complete fucking arsehole.

No, it says it was distributed as an extension.

And that it wasnt integrated with the OS until much later.

Unless you take the extraordinarily narrow view that anything
not in the System file was not part of the OS (in which case
most of the functionality of a base Mac System install was
not part of the OS, which is patently ridiculous),

Having fun thrashing that straw man, arsehole ?

MultiFinder was as much a part of the OS (though perhaps
not the OS kernel) as anything else in the System Folder.

PIty about the significant change with System 7, you flagrantly dishonest arsehole.

And whatever it was OS wise, THAT WAS WELL AFTER MULTITASKING APPEARED IN WINDOWS.

Bullshit and lie your way out of that, arsehole.

 

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

And whatever it was OS wise, THAT WAS WELL AFTER MULTITASKING APPEARED IN
WINDOWS.

Of course proper pre-emptive multitasking first appeared for home
computers in the Sinclair QL in 1984, followed shortly by the Amiga in
1985. Both of these were earlier than Windows 1.0 with it's rather poor
implementation of cooperative multitasking and a long time before
pre-emptive multitasking arrived for Windows in 1995.

Now just in case you're going to claim that cooperative
multitasking on the desktop was an MS innovation - Apple got there nearly
two years earlier with the Lisa, and DRI got there even earlier with MP/M
in 1979.

Sorry Rod - multitasking on a personal computer was not even
remotely close to being a Microsoft innovation. Got any other candidates ?