My Vintage Dream PC

[jmfbahciv]

Oh, you know what? This rings a bell.
Now I can be frustrated, too!

It's driving me nuts.

/BAH

 

[Roland Hutchinson]

MS DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO DEVELOP!! That's the point I've been trying
to make. It's a distribution business and that is rooted deep in
its folklore.

A salesman who thinks he can program is even more dangerous than a
programmer with a soldering iron.

--
Roland Hutchinson

He calls himself "the Garden State's leading violist da gamba,"
.... comparable to being ruler of an exceptionally small duchy.
--Newark (NJ) Star Ledger ( http://tinyurl.com/RolandIsNJ )

 

[Richard Cranium]

We had a one-word name for it. I simply can't recall the word.

/BAH

Tymshare???

 

[Scott Lurndal]

No. In fact, the maybe-first internet worm, the Morris worm, was a
VAX/Sun exploit. Nobody was expecting it, and it was easy to defend
against once it was appreciated that all users weren't friendly.

That's a lot different from the nightmare that Windows is.

John

For the Morris worm, the vaxen were running BSD unix not VMS (it was a
sendmail exploit, iirc).

scott

 

[Joe Pfeiffer]

An os nanokernal needs to be neither. Both are tricks for the sake of
tricks.

When talking about micro- or nano- kernels, the OS isn't just the
kernel. While a nanokernel won't (typically) be multithreaded, the full
OS would have not just multiple threads but multiple processes.

Any OS worth discussing today will be multithreaded.

 

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

My user mode code has some buffers I want to be written to the
disk. I do a series of UUOs and CALLIs to convey to the
monitor's file system handler, memory handler, device routines,
and controller device routines that I want my bits to be copied
from here to there and labelled XYZ. I ask the monitor what
date/time it thinks it is by doing a CALLI. I set up certain
rules about subsequent usage of the computer system by telling
the monitor through CALLIs and UUOs. These are the only
ways the monitor and I, the user, communicate.

How is that for a start?

Pretty clear to me - what we unixy folks would call a syscall
interface.

 

[Joe Pfeiffer]

Multiple *processors*

A nanokernel OS would have multiple processes, regardless of how many
processors it was running on (though the context of the discussion is
multiple processors).

When it was pointed out that an OS would be multithreaded, you responded
by saying a nanokernel would not be. My point is that a nanokernel (or
microkernel) would not be the entire OS, by a long shot, and that the OS
in total would indeed be multi-threaded.

 

[krw]

You are doing it bassackwards. It should be Cee Pee.

For a price, I'm sure you can get that on CraigsList too.

 

[FatBytestard]

I've been hearing about their next release. Not good at all.

/BAH

Nice unsubstantiated, peanut gallery mentality comment.

WHAT have you heard?

Mine runs fine. Vista has run fine for over three years, and W7 has
been running fine for several months now. You nay sayer retards are
idiots.

I love it how folks that have ZERO actual experience with things
expound on them like they actually know what is going on.

You do not.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

You are such a boring child. Can't you produce a real flame?

/BAH

Yes, he is quite sad, even at that task. He is a total retard.

 

[TheQuickBrownFox]

Why only one? Surely the kernel will be multithreaded.

You caught him in a quantum shlip.

 

[FatBytestard]

connect to National CSS via the
Not sure what you're referring to. IIRC the overall machine was
simply called the Texas Instruments Silent 700 Electronic Data
Terminal. I don't recall the acoustic modem and thermal printer
having any special designation.

Likely asking you if you know what a modem is since it came right after
your cryptic description.

Since you used the term (modem) in your reply, it raises even more
questions. You really are a dufus.

 

[Capt. Cave Man]

Directable Mirror Arrays
A better way to focus the sun

Can they bore an 8 inch hole through a 3 inch thick steel plate?

 

[FatBytestard]

The other way 'round. If you dedicated a core to the OS, it would have
to single-thread. If any core can execute any thread the OS can get
whatever it needs. It's tempting to just dedicate something, but OS
developers decided years ago that the more scheduling flexibility you
have, the better.

Core kernel subprocesses can evolve where a dedicated core given to
that sub-process would be the prudent manner to handle it. Remember when
Bill said that 64kB was "enough"? There will come a day when the kernel
is so big, and has so many functions to manage, that in a multi core
world, the best solution would be a segmented kernel implementation.

Networking, for example, WITH security built into the kernel, would be
best handled on a locked, protected core that the main kernel is only
able to access. The kernel could become a manager of hardware between
other segments of that hardware, running their own little kernel segments
on their own CPUs. Not unlike JBOD paradigm. A JBOCores thing.

The Cell CPU does networking at near wire speeds. Usually such numbers
are not attainable due to various protocol overhead problems.

8.5 out of 10 Gb/s is pretty damned good.

Hardware IP encryption and HAIPE and such is in your future, if you
have half a brain, and can see the bigger picture. The cell is easily
superscalar.

 

[Richard Cranium]

Yes, he is quite sad, even at that task. He is a total retard.

Hello Archie:

Do the folks here in these newsgroups know that you actually claimed
to be celibate - and then told us what a super stud you are,
constantly leaving women swooning as you go 'all night long'? Do they
know that you are a foul mothed ignoramus who cannot resist using the
word 'retard' in just about every post? Are they aware of the fact
that you are hiding from a challenge to try to solve a numerical
puzzle by running from it every time it's brought up? At least I am
reasonably certain they're aware that you are a phony. Why you're
even avoiding alt.video.dvd lately because we've made you the official
group piñata.

Ready to try the puzzle yet Archie??

 

[Richard Cranium]

Likely asking you if you know what a modem is since it came right after
your cryptic description.

Since you used the term (modem) in your reply, it raises even more
questions. You really are a dufus.

Hello again Archie:

Why do you change nyms so often? I suppose you cannot help being an
asshole almost every time you post something. You really should
recognize that your more than 30 nyms all share that 'special' moronic
tinge that we use to readily identify you. You cannot disguise your
stupidity.

Ready to attempt the puzzle yet Archie? Come on you big celibate boy;
try to solve it.

 

[Richard Cranium]

Nice unsubstantiated, peanut gallery mentality comment.

WHAT have you heard?

Mine runs fine. Vista has run fine for over three years, and W7 has
been running fine for several months now. You nay sayer retards are
idiots.

I love it how folks that have ZERO actual experience with things
expound on them like they actually know what is going on.

You do not.

Hello again Archie:

Here you are using another identity, but you cannot help but try to
put someone else down. You are such a fucking moron!

Ready to try the puzzle Archie?

 

[FatBytestard]

Sigh! Now consider that the core containing the OS has a cosmic ray
hit it.

/BAH

So what?

Without you providing a more detailed description, including what
exactly your cosmic ray is supposed to have done, you remark is just shy
of meaningless.

Have you seen (now or ever) any modern, embedded systems under
operation?

Your mindset appears to be the single point of failure.

 

[FatBytestard]

kernal

You should probably learn to spell it if you are going to expound upon
it.

 

[FatBytestard]

See above. Windows and Intel are "small computer thinking."


John

Getting rid of her batch process mentality is the better path.

The Cell BE is in your future.