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Absolutely. See my reply to Graham above for a link to the story.Ian Jackson said:If we end up with a ban on incandescent lamps and fluorescent lamps, we'll
have to go back to burning whale oil.
Ian.
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Absolutely. See my reply to Graham above for a link to the story.Ian Jackson said:If we end up with a ban on incandescent lamps and fluorescent lamps, we'll
have to go back to burning whale oil.
Ian.
Arfa said:Look again Graham. The EU - specifically Merkel - have signed up to the same
thing as Aus is already doing ... There was a big article in the M.o.S. I
think it was about 6 weeks ago. Look at
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages...ews.html?in_article_id=441200&in_page_id=1811
We can but hope ... I guess it depends on how Philips see the business modelEeyore said:The last I heard it wasn't going to happen.
It's utterly crazy to ban incandesacents per se anyway. They have valid
and important uses. As I pointed out
earlier it would also ban high efficiency halogens which is barking mad.
No surpise there though if politicians are involved. They're all clueless
on technical and scientific matters.
I'd expect Philips to kill this one off if necessary.
Graham
Eeyore said:No surpise there though if politicians are involved. They're all clueless on
technical and scientific matters.
Smitty said:In the U.S., we used to have scientific advisors to the administration.
They were listened to and respected, and their expertise guided
political decisions. Now, those people are puppets. Political decisions
are made first, then scientists are found to rubber stamp them.
Uncooperative dissenters are fired.
That's ok, they're plenty of them walking around our streets hereIan said:If we end up with a ban on incandescent lamps and fluorescent lamps,
we'll have to go back to burning whale oil.
Ian.
I was reading an interesting dissertation on this very subject recently, andEeyore said:It seems to be the way worldwide.
I've come to the conclusion that politicians need to be seriously brought
back
down to earth. Our countries are democracies in name only and often more
like
party political dictatorships.
Graham
Yes! Then we have all of the "activist" groups which raise money byArfa Daily said:I was reading an interesting dissertation on this very subject recently, and
it seems that a lot of it is down to the fact that we have many 'career'
politicians now, rather than responsible grownups who have served an
apprenticeship in life, and worked and lived and loved, before deciding to
go into politics to try to better everyone's lot. These career types have
been to university and taken a degree in political science or some such
other 'useless' discipline, and then have gone straight into the political
arena without ever having any experience of life at the sharp end. The only
thing that they have been prepared for by their studies, is the creation of
half arsed schemes based on half arsed theoretical models, that have no
basis in reality.
Seemed like a very valid insight to me. The waters have also now been
muddied by politically 'global' issues such as terrorism and climate change,
which all parties want to subscribe to, and which only serves to stagnate
effective opposition, and squeeze all policy in one direction. Once this
starts to happen, then it becomes very easy to find yourself in a one way
street to totalitarianism and complete government control of all aspects of
our lives. I sincerely believe that this is what we are beginning to see
now, and that worries me more than a little ...
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Jerry Peters said:Yes! Then we have all of the "activist" groups which raise money by
frightening people with all sorts of dire predictions. The current one
of course being "global warming" or as they're now calling it "climate
change". As if the climate never, ever changes. After reading some of
the alleged "climate change" MBE, I've decided that climate "science"
belongs in the same category as the social "sciences". One builds a
model, then "validates" it using statistical methods, and this
"proves" something. Of course the data is specially chosen to fit the
hypothesis.
Jerry
Yes! Then we have all of the "activist" groups which raise money by
frightening people with all sorts of dire predictions. The current one
of course being "global warming" or as they're now calling it "climate
change". As if the climate never, ever changes. After reading some of
the alleged "climate change" MBE, I've decided that climate "science"
belongs in the same category as the social "sciences". One builds a
model, then "validates" it using statistical methods, and this
"proves" something. Of course the data is specially chosen to fit the
hypothesis.
Jerry
Arfa said:Absolutely Jerry. See if you can get hands on a copy of that TV prog that I
told the others about. Made by UK TV company "Channel 4" and called 'The
Great Global Warming Swindle'. I understand that it is available on YouTube.
Essential viewing on the subject.
Smitty Two said:Absolutely Jerry. See if you can get hands on a copy of that TV prog that
I
told the others about. Made by UK TV company "Channel 4" and called 'The
Great Global Warming Swindle'. I understand that it is available on
YouTube.
Essential viewing on the subject.
Arfa
Not lead, but mercury in compact flourescent bulbs, and what happens
when you have imbecile who gets the government involved.
Roy the Rebel said:The planet is warming but I dont believe it is entirely due to
mankinds activities. I think that it is part of a naturally occurring
long period cycle which is solar system wide. The climate on Mars is
also warming at the present time, scientists believe that it is
emerging from an ice age. Obviously not down to anything we are doing
on Earth.
Smitty Two said:Absolutely Jerry. See if you can get hands on a copy of that TV prog that I
told the others about. Made by UK TV company "Channel 4" and called 'The
Great Global Warming Swindle'. I understand that it is available on YouTube.
Essential viewing on the subject.
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Jerry said:There are also indications that Saturn & Jupiter are receiving more
solar energy.
I find it _very_ interesting that there are scientists trying to find
an alternative explanation for Martian warming - any explanation,
since if it's caused by the sun, that kind of knocks a very large hole
in their anthropomorphic global warming hypothesis.
Jerry Peters said:Sorry, but I have to disagree. There's just too much evidence that the
way the global warming research is being conducted is "I know mankind
is causing it, now all I have to do is prove it". I especially note
that when a researcher says that "solar forcing" (the sun) can't
account for the observed temperature increase, he does not add:
according to my model. It's just assumed that the model must be
correct.
Now ask if any of the models have been validated. That is, we know
what conditions are now, if we use one of the models and go back to
say 1920, and attempt to run the mdoel forward from there, does it
predict _today_?
And of course all of the journalists and politicians have jumped on GW
as another chance to implement environmental controls and regulations.
Now explain to me what most of these politicians and journalists know
about science.
Anthropomorphic GW isn't even a theory at this point, it's a
hypothesis.
Jerry
Yes, but it's bullsh*t.
http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/cfl.asp
And often used as an apocyphal tale of "THEM" watching over "US" to
steal our freedoms and put fluoride in our drinking water...
Give me a break!
Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA
Mpffffff.... The BS is in the requirement for a HazMat team. NotBased on the article in that link, how can you say that ? Yes, OK, the
amount of mercury is not hazardous to the point of needing a toxic waste
cleanup team after a single breakage, but the article never stops discussing
the hazardous nature of the CFLs, their toxic contents, and the special
facilities to dispose of them safely. ' Do not use a vacuum cleaner' it
says. 'Secure the broken bits in a plastic bag and seal up' it says. 'Open
the windows' it says. If that makes the safety angle bullshit in comparison
to incandescents, then you and I have very different understandings of that
word ...
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