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Richard Henry

Winfield Hill said:
Jim Thompson wrote...

Maybe, but that wasn't so much left-wing biased reporting as it
was a discussion of what the ramifications will be for Tony Blair
in England over the next few months. Our neo-right-wing press
isn't paying attention over here, so we have to go over there to
get the facts. The Brits are PISSED about the lying, heads are
going to roll, but we twiddle our thumbs and let Bush turn our
attention to a supposedly-urgent problem 20 to 30 years hence.

I think DPRK is going to be a big problem much sooner than that.
 
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Richard Henry

Jim Thompson said:
Tony Blair will certainly take some heat, but to me, the "memo" had
all the ear-marks of another try at the infamous forged National Guard
letter.

Except that no one who has any knowledge of the facts is disputing it.
 
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Richard Henry

Jonathan Kirwan said:
On Thu, 12 May 2005 16:51:18 -0700, Jim Thompson


In that case, he simply made the same kind of stupid remark that a
great many other men in similar situations would have made, hoping
that the lie wouldn't blow up in their face. In fact, most guilty men
asked that question would probably have to fight a strong impulse to
lie and hope they didn't get caught.

I thought at the time that his best reponse would have been "None of your
business".
 
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Richard Henry

Jim Thompson said:
Jim Thompson wrote...
Jim, I'm still trying to learn, were you ever actually prevented
from voting in Massachusetts because of an unpaid "poll tax"?

Of course not. Why would anyone in their "right" mind want to vote
in Massachusetts ?:)

That wasn't the point. Cambridge wanted to impose a tax on me that I
REFUSED to pay. (Not casually, I went to City Hall and told them to
go f..k themselves. They didn't take kindly to that :) So they
issued a warrant authorizing the Sheriff of Middlesex to seize ALL my
property, for failure to pay property tax. Their stupidity is
unparalleled to this day.

OK, that's NOT a poll tax by my understanding, although I recognize
its use that way. That's an eye-opening story, probably a classic
example of old-time Cambridge townies out to get an MIT student,
really a travesty, something I mostly escaped but would like to
learn more about.

I was arrested in Belmont for "driving without a license" and taken
to the station holding tank, because the cop refused to recognize
my California driver's license. The judge threw it out of court
and freed me. But I soon saw the need for a Massachusetts license
to avoid harassment. They loved giving the students a bad time.
Stupid really, given the huge cash cow students are for the city.

[ snip other stuff ]
I've always voted the man, not the party.
Admirable.

But both Gore and Kerry are first-class losers, so the choice
was easy.

Too bad you can't recognize the same "quality" glaring in GWB.

Lesser evil ;-)

As long as the voters think that the solution to a (Democrat, Republican,
pick one) asshole is a (Republican, Democrat, pick one), we will be electing
no better than the second best candidate.
 
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Jonathan Kirwan

I thought at the time that his best reponse would have been "None of your
business".

Yes. Neither my wife or I could figure out why he bothered saying
anything on the subject, when asked by congressmen. But I can also
remember lots of stupid things I wish I had done differently, too, in
hindsight.

Of course, I'm not president of a country. Those folks are supposed
to be smarter than me.

Jon
 
You mean things like the ones the Wright brothers used: i.e. Wing warping, canards
and other nonsense; which have suddenly started to appear on advanced modern
aircraft? Some high performance aircraft use canards and wing warping looks like a
wave of the future. Probably a few other discarded things that didn't work in
electronics, pharmacy, maybe even some oddball ideas in engineering that work with
modern technology and materials. I would imagine there is a lot of money to be
made in data mining those ancient failures.

There were tons of stuff we didn't do because we simply didn't have
the computer gear. Some of the things we would have liked to
do would have taken three football fields of footprint just for
the equipment...oh, and we would have liked to have the c
increased a lot ;-). It would have been wonderful to have
gear so reliable that it wouldn't get upset if you looked
cross-eyed at it; the trade-off was that we could kick it.
Today's gear ignores cross eyes but you can't kick it.

/BAH

Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.
 
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Jim Thompson

I think DPRK is going to be a big problem much sooner than that.

We should just flatten the place. One bomb is all I ask ;-)

But we won't. We'll provide the funding for Kim Jong Il's welfare
state and he'll stay in power... the people will remain totally
ignorant of anything other than the great Kim Jong Il.

...Jim Thompson
 
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Jim Thompson

[snip]
Also, you may not know this, but you seem to think like a Democrat in
many ways. You apparently believe that religion has no place in
government. You believe that we should have a strong, well funded
military. You believe in fiscal responsibility and restraint for those
in government. You believe that government should stay out of personal
matters. Hell you probably support the recent proposal by Bush on social
security. Most democrats also believe these things. The social security
proposal Bush is currently pushing as an effort to save face was first
proposed by a Democrat in (horrors) Massachusetts! If you think about
it, the current Democrats are closer to, say, Reagan or Nixon, or even
Goldwater, than the current Republicans. The current Republicans are no
longer conservatives. They are radicals, they have a mission, and their
mission is apparently more important to them than mundane things like
ethics or honesty. How can you support that?

Why not just give in to your inner leftist weenie?
[snip]

Other than I am very hawkish... Don't Tread on Me is my favorite flag,
I'm probably more of a Libertarian.

But I register as a Republican, since you can't jump parties in the
primaries like you can in other states.

So I'm a firm believer in NO government, or at least minimal.

...Jim Thompson
 
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Richard the Dreaded Libertarian

Jim Thompson wrote...

Too bad you can't recognize the same "quality" glaring in GWB.

I believe that's called "cognitive dissonance disorder."

Thanks,
Rich
 
We should just flatten the place. One bomb is all I ask ;-)

But we won't. We'll provide the funding for Kim Jong Il's welfare
state and he'll stay in power... the people will remain totally
ignorant of anything other than the great Kim Jong Il.

I've been reading some foreign policy books written in the 80s
by US think tanks. I did not know thta Kim Jong Il's father
had established himself as a religion. The authors also wrote
that the father spent a lot of time playing Russia against
China. Assuming that this is a standard, what we're seeing
now by the son is a similar ploy and the US won't play along.
Note that I still have a LOT more studying to do but this
is my first impression based on writings that I have yet
to identify the bias.

/BAH

Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.
 
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Fred Bloggs

Winfield said:
Our leader LIES to us about something REALLY IMPORTANT and we
complain and you call that "toothless dogs yapping?" Believe
me, given this sorry scene, we're working on the teeth aspect.

This is the price we pay for a general population that is largely a
bunch of immoral, racist, and mindless morons... You can go ahead and
illuminate every bit of what we always knew to be blatant deception to
the nth degree and not a single one of the marching morons will give a
damn. As long as these idiots like to fantasize about the WWII era, they
need to ask themselves how in hell we achieved a total victory in Europe
from the 6/6/44 landing to VE-day in less than half the time we have
been occupying one of the weakest third world nations outside of Africa
while achieving nowhere near the same level of control-or even ironing
out some major logistics failures like supplying the troops with decent
body armor.
 
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Robert Latest

["Followup-To:" header set to sci.electronics.design.]
This is the price we pay for a general population that is largely a
bunch of immoral, racist, and mindless morons... You can go ahead and
illuminate every bit of what we always knew to be blatant deception to
the nth degree and not a single one of the marching morons will give a
damn.
Right.

As long as these idiots like to fantasize about the WWII era, they
need to ask themselves how in hell we achieved a total victory in Europe
from the 6/6/44 landing to VE-day in less than half the time we have
been occupying one of the weakest third world nations outside of Africa

Let's not forget that by D-Day, Germany had already spent five
years and most of its ressources on a huge war against strong and
committed opponents. The support the US are getting in the Iraq
war was, for very good reasons, half-assed at best and came from
allies that were bought rather than convinced.

bob
 
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Robert Latest

["Followup-To:" header set to sci.electronics.design.]
I've been reading some foreign policy books written in the 80s
by US think tanks. I did not know thta Kim Jong Il's father
had established himself as a religion. The authors also wrote
that the father spent a lot of time playing Russia against
China. Assuming that this is a standard, what we're seeing
now by the son is a similar ploy and the US won't play along.
Note that I still have a LOT more studying to do but this
is my first impression based on writings that I have yet
to identify the bias.

Reading? Thinking? Studying? Now what kind of un-American
attitude is that?

bob
 
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Rich Grise

["Followup-To:" header set to sci.electronics.design.]
This is the price we pay for a general population that is largely a
bunch of immoral, racist, and mindless morons... You can go ahead and
illuminate every bit of what we always knew to be blatant deception to
the nth degree and not a single one of the marching morons will give a
damn.
Right.

As long as these idiots like to fantasize about the WWII era, they
need to ask themselves how in hell we achieved a total victory in Europe
from the 6/6/44 landing to VE-day in less than half the time we have
been occupying one of the weakest third world nations outside of Africa

Let's not forget that by D-Day, Germany had already spent five
years and most of its ressources on a huge war against strong and
committed opponents. The support the US are getting in the Iraq
war was, for very good reasons, half-assed at best and came from
allies that were bought rather than convinced.

I got a kick out of one of David Letterman's jokes the other night.
He said something like, "Today is the 60th anniversary of the end of
World War Two. You remember WWII, don't you? That was the one where
we conquered a merciless tyrant, and WENT HOME!"

Cheers!
Rich
 
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Keith Williams

["Followup-To:" header set to sci.electronics.design.]
This is the price we pay for a general population that is largely a
bunch of immoral, racist, and mindless morons... You can go ahead and
illuminate every bit of what we always knew to be blatant deception to
the nth degree and not a single one of the marching morons will give a
damn.
Right.

As long as these idiots like to fantasize about the WWII era, they
need to ask themselves how in hell we achieved a total victory in Europe
from the 6/6/44 landing to VE-day in less than half the time we have
been occupying one of the weakest third world nations outside of Africa

Let's not forget that by D-Day, Germany had already spent five
years and most of its ressources on a huge war against strong and
committed opponents. The support the US are getting in the Iraq
war was, for very good reasons, half-assed at best and came from
allies that were bought rather than convinced.

I got a kick out of one of David Letterman's jokes the other night.
He said something like, "Today is the 60th anniversary of the end of
World War Two. You remember WWII, don't you? That was the one where
we conquered a merciless tyrant, and WENT HOME!"

I guess it's easy to be funny when you play fast and loose with reality
(and have an ignorant audience).
 
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Rich Grise

I guess it's easy to be funny when you play fast and loose with reality
(and have an ignorant audience).

Do you mean that after World War II, the soldiers didn't come home? Or
that we didn't win?

Thanks,
Rich
 
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Keith Williams

Do you mean that after World War II, the soldiers didn't come home?

- We certainly didn't clean up the streets and come home in two years.

- I count 28 US military bases in Germany, 9 in Italy, and 10 in
Japan. 47 military bases in the former Axis countries sixty
years later doesn't look much like we "came home", right after WWII.

- OTOH, perhaps you think we should stay in Iraq another 58 years.
Or that we didn't win?

Well, "they" lost. I'm not sure what we "won".
 
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keith

["Followup-To:" header set to sci.electronics.design.]
I've been reading some foreign policy books written in the 80s
by US think tanks. I did not know thta Kim Jong Il's father
had established himself as a religion. The authors also wrote
that the father spent a lot of time playing Russia against
China. Assuming that this is a standard, what we're seeing
now by the son is a similar ploy and the US won't play along.
Note that I still have a LOT more studying to do but this
is my first impression based on writings that I have yet
to identify the bias.

Reading? Thinking? Studying? Now what kind of un-American
attitude is that?

Oh, if you pay attention to /BAH, you'll find even more! ...like
*experience* and humor. Sometimes this pisses off the kidz though.
 
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Roger Johansson

I guess it's easy to be funny when you play fast and loose with
reality (and have an ignorant audience).
......

Spehro said:
Stealing^H^H^H taxing away half (50%) of the family farms for military
spending-- is that "beating plowshares into swords"?

If one country spends a lot on the military it is forcing many other
countries to waste a lot of resources on weapons too.

Before WWII wars ended with a demilitarisation. The soldiers went back
to civilian occupations. Problems between nations were handled with
diplomatic means again.

That changed in 1945, when one country did not demilitarize and go back
to peaceful conditions. Instead it set out to rule the whole world, to
let its businessmen do business all over the world, unhindered by
political or economical views of other countries. To let the big
corporations have the ultimate power in the world, unhindered by ideas
like democracy and socialism, workers unions or religions.

They learned a lot from the germans, how to control the opinion of the
own population with mass media and schooling, how to conquer big parts
of the world and use its natural resources, how to move around rocket
launching sites on trucks, how to build cruising missiles with nuclear
warheads, how to control the population in conquered areas, etc..

How to never stop fighting, no matter if there is war or peace
officially. They invented "the cold war" and anti-communist hysteria to
justify this.

If the citizens of that country had stopped their own government from
military spending and from an aggressive foreign policy the rest of the
world would have been spared a lot of suffering.
And we could have learned how to cooperate globally in a voluntary and
peaceful manner.
 
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John Larkin

.....



If one country spends a lot on the military it is forcing many other
countries to waste a lot of resources on weapons too.

Before WWII wars ended with a demilitarisation. The soldiers went back
to civilian occupations. Problems between nations were handled with
diplomatic means again.

That changed in 1945, when one country did not demilitarize and go back
to peaceful conditions.

Actually, two: the USSR and China.

John
 
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