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Means of dropping watch battery voltage by .2 Volts

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William Sommerwerck

If something this minor upsets everyone, what will it take to start
another world war?????????

The issue isn't what was said, but Arfa's insistence that WE are supposed to
accept an obscure British usage without complaint or offense. And worse,
that we are humorless fools if we don't.
 
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No one could have predicted that mercury button cells would be pulled
from the market. The more so because mercury laden twisty bulbs are
becoming all but mandatory.

That irony struck me as well. Not that I think any source of toxins
should be overlooked, or improperly dealt with, but some perspective
might be in order. I do think that in addition to being deposited in
landfills, there was concern about kids swallowing the cells. Something
only the most hardy are apt to do with compact fluorescents ;-)
 
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Both myself and Gareth are from the right side, and it seems to me that
you might have fallen into the usenet 'language trap', and are taking
the word "crap" to have an entirely different level of meaning...
Stop being so sensitive, and accept the remark for what it was. A simple
throw-away bit of leftpondian humour. Not a pop at you specifically, or
your hobby.

Arfa

More what I found troubling and what I was attempting to correct was the
ignorance regarding the significance of these timepieces, and the very
impressive technical achievement they represent, things which users of a
NG such as this one should find interesting. In terms of the "crap"
reference, you may be right about how the word is perceived in different
cultures, but if you and your friend made a bad choice of words, why is
it *ME* (and at least one other poster who also commented on the word)
who have "fallen into the usenet language trap". Perhaps you should
stop being so INsensitive.

Dan
 
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Reinhard Zwirner

Gareth Magennis schrieb:

[...]
And I was, as Arfa understood, merely referring to the fact it ran fast
with new batteries.

Would you blame the car for failing when you replace the 12 V car
battery by a 24 V car battery? An Accutron watch doesn't run fast if you
replace a used 1.35 V mercury oxide battery by a new 1.35 V mercury
oxide battery. So, the running fast problem has nothing to do with using
a _new_ battery; you just have to use the right (new) battery.

Reinhard
 
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William Sommerwerck

Why can't you just accept that you are wrong ? You simply don't understand
the variety of humour that was in use here.

That's like saying you can hit someone over the head with a sledgehammer,
then claim it was supposed to be funny.

Arfa, I know how to write screenplays with foreshadowing and subtext! I had
a great sense of irony and sarcasm long before you were born.

The fact that calling something "crap" in English English is comic (which I
accept) is beside the point. That isn't what we're arguing about.

The issue is that you make a remark whose context to an American is
"serious" and extremely offensive -- just look at the original posting --
without feeling you have to take an responsibility for it. You just don't
get it, do you?

You are seriously devoid of common sense and common courtesy, two things I
didn't used to think you were short of.
 
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William Sommerwerck

Pay attention at the back. The comment was made in respect of the fact,
quoted from the user guide, that even with the original correct battery
type, when a new one was fitted, the watch would run fast for a few days
whilst the terminal voltage settled. Gareth suggested, with tongue in cheek
humour that is being misunderstood by William, that this made the design
"crap", a word that is used in the UK with a slightly different emphasis to
when it is used in America. I then followed on, with similar tongue in cheek
humour, that this unfortunate characteristic of the design, made a bit of a
mockery of the fact that the name was obviously based on the adjective
"accurate", which obviously, it isn't for those few days ...

I misunderstood nothing. You refuse to apologize for an offensive remark in
a situation where the listeners did not -- COULD NOT -- know the context.
How much more explanation does that need?

You cannot say whatever you like, then refuse to take responsibility because
the poor, benighted listeners didn't know.
 
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Oh dear. Of course we understand the significance of them and the huge
technical advance that they represented, which is what made Gareth's use
of the word "crap" (with the British accent of meaning), funny. I accept
that this is a very subtle form of humour, and perhaps one that as an
American, you don't understand. And I don't mean that to be taken as an
offensive comment to you in particular, or Americans in general. I watch
a lot of American TV, and visit America regularly, and have done for
many years, so understand at least a little about your variety of
humour. I'm sure that you would have to agree that it is predominantly
straightforward and obvious - sort of 'verbal slapstick' if you like.
Sometimes that works for British audiences, and sometimes it doesn't,
because we don't understand what the 'joke' is. By the same token,
British humour is often very subtle, and can hinge even on the way a
single word is pronounced, or contextually used. I'm sure that sometimes
this works for Americans, and sometimes it doesn't, exactly the same as
with us and your humour. In this particular exchange, Gareth's attempt
at humour hasn't worked for you, or William or Jeff, so as you are all
Americans, this has to tell us that it's a variety of humour that you
have difficulty with, which is fair enough, and why Gareth immediately
apologised. And there it should have lain, except that William won't let
it go.

You also misunderstand the use of my phrase "the usenet language trap".
We all fall into it from both sides of the pond. Occasionally, some
little incident like this one. 'takes off' in this way, but mostly,
regular posters on here know the problem well, and if anyone does bother
to make a comment, it usually dies out within a post or two. As I have
not seen you posting on here before - and I may be wrong on that, or you
might be a long-time lurker - I assumed that you were new to a group
that has many regulars on both sides of the pond, and had not come
across these linguistic nuances before, and that was the reason that you
had become so upset by what most would have seen as a throw-away comment.

Every now and then, William jumps on something like this, and worries it
like a dog with a bone, as he is doing right now.

As to asking me to stop being insensitive, I really think that you
should stop and consider that remark, and perhaps think how you might
feel about me telling you to stop being *so* sensitive. This is usenet.
We are all grownups, and sometimes, grownups have spats. It's life.
There is no moderation as such on here, and it is not a forum or Google
group or a subset of any other net-based front end trawler. If you
honestly think that I am being insensitive, then just carry on posting.
Sooner or later, for no apparent reason, you will set light to one of
the people on here that can be really offensive. Then you will
understand all about sensitivity ...

I say again, that what was intended was humour. Nothing against you, or
your watches, or the Bulova technology. Gareth has already apologised
for his remark, and I likewise apologise if you found my similar attempt
at humour, outside your understanding, and hence offensive. Now can we
please leave it at that ? And that especially includes you, William.

Arfa


Like I read all that. You really do have a lot of spare time, don't you?
 
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William Sommerwerck

Oh dear. Of course we understand the significance of them and the huge
technical advance that they represented, which is what made Gareth's use of
the word "crap" (with the British accent of meaning), funny. I accept that
this is a very subtle form of humour, and perhaps one that as an American,
you don't understand.

Stop patronizing us. (Or at least, me.) Despite being a stupid American (and
let's face it, Americans are stupid) I understand subtle and ironic humor.
THAT ISN'T THE ISSUE, though you insist on it.

Arfa, you seem to think that merely saying something -- especially in
print -- necessarily carries the context. IT DOESN'T.

Is it too much to ask that you say "Whoops! I didn't stop to think that
there was no way an American could have gotten the joke, and would have
misinterpreted it as a stupid and possibly offensive remark."?

Here's another example... In the US, "geezer" is considered somewhat
offensive, implying excessive age or senility. In Great Britain, it's
something of a compliment.
 
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William Sommerwerck

I say again, that what was intended was humour. Nothing against you, or
your watches, or the Bulova technology. Gareth has already apologised
for his remark, and I likewise apologise if you found my similar attempt
at humour, outside your understanding, and hence offensive. Now can we
please leave it at that ? And that especially includes you, William.

Gee, there's nothing like turning an "apology" into another offensive
remark.

Arfa, do you understand the difference beteween "knowledge" and
"understanding"?
 
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William Sommerwerck

The issue is that you make a remark whose context to an American is
It is you who don't get it, you irritating little man. I apologised. Gareth
apologised. What more do you want me to do. I have accepted responsibility
for the remark, and the fact that you and your compadres couldn't see it as
humour. What more do you want me to do. Get on a fucking plane and come
and beg for forgiveness at your door? Now grow up for christ sake, and
drop it.

I will leave this with a quote from the Bible: "Every man is justified in
his own sight."
 
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JW

drop it.

I will leave this with a quote from the Bible: "Every man is justified in
his own sight."

In that case, why not drop this silly argument? Sheesh.
 
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William Sommerwerck

Fun exercise: Guess how much a current reproduction of the
Accutron would sell for today? My offhand guess is about $3,000.
That might explain why they're not being reproduced.

I could see $300, from an Asian plant. Watches tend to be overpriced anyway
(they always have been), so anyone making an Accutron would have to decide
where the price/volume line would be drawn.
 
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Ron - Thanks for the helpful replies. The Mouser chart is especially
interesting. I've used both Digikey & Mouser in the past used to build a
lot of audio equipment, good sources.

Dan

Oh and I do have a fair amount of test gear (several digital meters, an
oscilloscope, etc. so that's no problem ;-)

Dan
 
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Phil Allison

"Jeff Liebermann"
There are also differences in methodology which will cause problems.
For example:
[Q] What's the difference between a bribe and a commission?
[A] When it's paid. A bribe in advance. A commission after.
Otherwise they're the same.

** Hardly the case at all.
In many parts of the world, anyone taking a commission is considered a
fool and bribery is considered the norm. In other parts, bribery is a
crime, while taking a commission is considered acceptable.

** A " bribe " is a payment or a gift intended to influence a person (
usually in some position of authority) to act in a way favourable to the
bribe giver and this action is not legal. For example, bribing a police
officer to turn a blind eye to one's transgression of the law.

In places where offering " bribes " is standard practice, it is often to
have an official do their regular job in relation to the bribe giver - so
it not seen as corrupt.

However a "commission" is an previously agreed payment of part of a price or
service fee made to a person responsible for causing the original payment to
occur. The typical example is a commission paid for making sales.

The law in most places prescribes " secret commissions " as being corrupt
payments offered in order to influence decision makers and advice givers in
relation to contracts and purchases. These are also know as " kick backs ".



..... Phil
 
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