Jet streams could carry radioactivity from Japan to the US

[Jan Panteltje]

Jet streams could carry radioactivity from Japan to the US.
In the second world war Japan used balloons carried by the jet stream
to send bombs to the US.
Some bombs actually made it.
It seems to me, that in the same way, if radioactive substances
get high enough in the atmosphere, those may be carried at high speed towards the US.
Time to buy or build your radiation counter.
http://www.panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/gm_pic/
http://www.panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/sc_pic/

 

[tm]

I hear that these particular air flows are expected to drop their
"load" specifically on the Netherlands ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Is that due to Global Warming?


tm

 

[PeterD]

Jet streams could carry radioactivity from Japan to the US.

No, that can't and won't happen...

 

[Jan Panteltje]

FWIW--
http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/16/japan-prepares-to-send-to-workers-back-in=
-dai-ichi-plant-after-e/
"Elevated levels of radiation were detected well outside the 20-mile
(30-kilometer) emergency area around the plants. In Ibaraki
prefecture, just south of Fukushima, officials said radiation levels
were about 300 times normal levels by late morning. It would take
three years of constant exposure to these higher levels to raise a
person's risk of cancer."

Be aware that politics now controls what is 'measured' and what is 'dangerous'.
We have seen that with Tjernobyl here.
If you take your geiger counter to thr supermarket people will freak out,
and maybe you get arrested of thrown out.

 

[Rich Webb]

Say, Does anyone know why the reactor stays hot after the control rods
have been pulled out. Is it the 'secondary' radiation from all the
other stuff in the reactor or maybe spontaneous fission of the
Uranium? Something else? Too many banana's?

These <http://allthingsnuclear.org/> are the go-to guys. In brief, many
of the fission products are themselves unstable (on time scales from too
short to measure up through too long to care) and release energy when
they decay, long after the core itself has been shutdown.

 

[Martin Riddle]

It'd be nice if we could educate the public about nuclear radiation.
Everyone starts running around waving their hands as soon as radiation
is mentioned.

I like this,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_equivalent_dose

Cool, gives me an idea for a practical joke.

 

[Rich Grise]

Jet streams could carry radioactivity from Japan to the US.
In the second world war Japan used balloons carried by the jet stream
to send bombs to the US.
Some bombs actually made it.
It seems to me, that in the same way, if radioactive substances
get high enough in the atmosphere, those may be carried at high speed
towards the US. Time to buy or build your radiation counter.
http://www.panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/gm_pic/
http://www.panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/sc_pic/

"Carry" "radioactivity?" Can you be any more specific?

Is Godzilla going to show up in Seattle, is that how that works?

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

Within a few weeks after the Chernobyl fire, detectable radiation
increments were detected all the way around that Earth. Most of that
was trivial, and dissipated quickly. However, a Chernobyl-sized ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
control area impressed on Honshu would include about half the island ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
or more, depending on wind speed and direction.

Which isn't what happened, in case you'd care to check the actual facts.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[FatBytestard]

Jet streams could carry radioactivity from Japan to the US.
In the second world war Japan used balloons carried by the jet stream
to send bombs to the US.
Some bombs actually made it.
It seems to me, that in the same way, if radioactive substances
get high enough in the atmosphere, those may be carried at high speed towards the US.

Where they could also continue on to your nation and fall onto and into
your house.

One could hope that 'some' actually make it.

Right past us and all over you.

You're not a news caster. Don't give up your day job. I'll keep
current via other sources, thanks.

 

[Rich Grise]

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/16/japan-prepares-to-send-to-workers-back-in-dai-ichi-plant-after-e/
"Elevated levels of radiation were detected well outside the 20-mile
(30-kilometer) emergency area around the plants. In Ibaraki
prefecture, just south of Fukushima, officials said radiation levels
were about 300 times normal levels by late morning. It would take
three years of constant exposure to these higher levels to raise a
person's risk of cancer."

"Elevated levels?" How elevated? Last night on ABC news, of all places, they
had a segment where some guy was standing in Central Park or whatever, and
his Geiger-Muller counter was showing five millisieverts of background. He
walked over to some granite and metal monument, and the level increased to
about 10 or 15. he walked into Grand Central Station, and the meter pegged.

We need numbers here, not hysteria!

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Nobody]

"Elevated levels?" How elevated? Last night on ABC news, of all places, they
had a segment where some guy was standing in Central Park or whatever, and
his Geiger-Muller counter was showing five millisieverts of background.

The sievert is a unit of dose, not rate. Radiation levels are measured in
sieverts per unit time. Normal background radiation is single-digits
millisieverts per year, or a few tenths of a microsievert per hour.
5mSv/year would be reasonable for background.

Fukushima had a spike of 400mSv/hr a couple of days ago. When it's not
spiking, it's a few mSv/hr (the Japanese legal limit for nuclear industry
workers is 100mSv/yr but that's just been raised to 250mSv/yr because most
of the workers at Fukushima have already exceeded their 100mSv for this
year).

 

[Dirk Bruere at NeoPax]

Where they could also continue on to your nation and fall onto and into
your house.

One could hope that 'some' actually make it.

Right past us and all over you.

You're not a news caster. Don't give up your day job. I'll keep
current via other sources, thanks.

I'm worried about radiation leaking upwards and making the sun radioactive.
Then it would radiate everyone.

 

[John Devereux]

The good thing (as if there is a good thing!) is that the atomic
numbers of the nasty stuff are all high, which makes dispersal
difficult. I'm sure whatever hits the US will be detectable, but the
problem is we are damn good at detecting radioactivity.

Hopefully this fiasco will kill nuclear development in the US. Note we
really do need to get the nuclear waste to a safe location such as
Texas.

Arizona, surely?

 

[Dirk Bruere at NeoPax]

It'd be nice if we could educate the public about nuclear radiation.
Everyone starts running around waving their hands as soon as radiation
is mentioned.

I like this,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_equivalent_dose

George H.

"A medium sized banana contains about 450 g of Potassium. 0.0117%, or
about 53 mg "

What gigantic bananas are they talking about???

 

[Dirk Bruere at NeoPax]

"Elevated levels?" How elevated? Last night on ABC news, of all places, they
had a segment where some guy was standing in Central Park or whatever, and
his Geiger-Muller counter was showing five millisieverts of background. He
walked over to some granite and metal monument, and the level increased to
about 10 or 15. he walked into Grand Central Station, and the meter pegged.

We need numbers here, not hysteria!

Thanks,
Rich

If it gets as high as the black sand beaches they ought to worry
http://resources.yesican-science.ca/trek/radiation/final/earth_sources.html

 

[Jan Panteltje]

I'm worried about radiation leaking upwards and making the sun radioactive.
Then it would radiate everyone.

2 retarts communicating?
LOL

 

[Jan Panteltje]

The good thing (as if there is a good thing!) is that the atomic
numbers of the nasty stuff are all high, which makes dispersal
difficult. I'm sure whatever hits the US will be detectable, but the
problem is we are damn good at detecting radioactivity.

Hopefully this fiasco will kill nuclear development in the US. Note we
really do need to get the nuclear waste to a safe location such as
Texas.

In an other newsgruoup I wrote that more people are killed in coal mining
every year then evenr heve been killed in nuclear power.
Many were burned in gas fires caused by this earthquake, nobody
demonstrates againts using gas.
Get the perspective right.
More radiaton, more mutations, maybe a exceptionally clever person
will result, and we will all benefit.
I mean we have enough zombies as is, one clever mutation can save them all.
Was that not a movie some time ago?
The guy is put to sleep for hundreds of years and awakes
in a world where Americans have become cola drinking zombies..
he becomes president eventually, because he is the only one with an IQ above 10.
Was a fun movie.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

"A medium sized banana contains about 450 g of Potassium. 0.0117%, or
about 53 mg "

What gigantic bananas are they talking about???

The one from AlwaysWrong?

 

[Jan Panteltje]

No "stand-alone"?

gm_pic is standalone (9V battery), but the probe is on a wire and interchangable.

 

[Rich Grise]

In an other newsgruoup I wrote that more people are killed in coal mining
every year then evenr heve been killed in nuclear power.

More people have been killed in Teddy Kennedy's car than by civilian
nuclear power plants in the free world.

Cheers!
Rich