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IC capable of driving 30MHz 10 Vp sin into 300pF

J

Joseph2k

John said:
OK, how about a bunch of medium-power fast opamps in parallel? Use one
to get the basic voltage swing, then a bunch of paralleled followers,
each connected to the load rail through smallish resistors, so they
don't fight one another too much.

TI has about the only fast, high voltage linear process around...

THS3061

THS3112

Both are available in the SO-8 PowerPad package, so can be heat sunk
pretty well. They *will* get hot.

John
Might i suggest Microchip TC4626?
 
J

Joseph2k

Frank said:
Winfield Hill said:
Frank Mikkelsen wrote...

What are you working on? Is it a sinusoidal output whose
frequency you scan, or some other kind of waveform? How
precise must the output be?
I am working on a sweep generator to exercise an ion trap, used on a atom
physics experiments on cern
(http://public.web.cern.ch/Public/Welcome.html). The ion trap consists of
6 electrodes each having a capacity to ground of 300 pf. The design of the
ion trap can't be changed and it is placed in a vacuum chamber and the
temperature must be close to 0 Kelvin -> no power dissipation allowed in
the chamber. The signal paths to each electrode are precisely matched. The
generator consist of six outputs producing the same frequencies to each
electrodes with a constant phase offset during the frequency sweep, I need
therefore a close phase match f(frq) for each output stages, and therefore
I attempt have as smoothly phase change as possible up to 30 MHz.

The frequencies with constant phase offset during the sweep are generated
with six synchronize AD9954.

The requirement to phase match between the electrodes over a 1MHz - 30 MHz
sweep are not defined but the scientist wished around 1 deg which I am not
sure I can meet.



Frank



BTW, you could still take advantage of output resonance,
peaking-coil style, by placing a parallel inductor with
a series R, making a resonance at the highest frequency,
that's low-Q, but still helpful in reducing the current
and shifting its phase. The Q-spoiling resistor becomes
a simple resistive load at low frequencies. A series cap
can be used to remove or reduce its effect at DC and the
lowest 1MHz frequency region.
Sounds challenging. I used to love that kind of work. A decade of nothing
but very mundane work ruined me.
 
J

Joseph2k

artie said:
141 semirigid line, terminated with SMA connectors, readily available
(eBay is a good source), but matching line lengths is a small part of
this prolblem.

The burr-brown buf634 will do the 2000v/us slew rate and 30 MHz bw to
about 250 mA. It's a pretty bullet-proof part.

The old LH0002H from natsemi is (only) 200 v/us, but can do 250-400 mA
and up to 30 MHz.

You might also check out the power op amps from Apex
(http://www.apexmicrotech.com) Apex have lots of app notes and sample
circuits. As an example, they have a nice app note on driving
capcitive loads (app note 25), going beyond slew rate and max current
calculations to looking at stability, power dissipation, and the like.
I had been thinking along the lines of the old Teledyne Philbrick 1443
ultrafast buffer; it would do at least 100 MHz drive over 2A and would slew
about 2500 V/us. The stuff Apex is putting out now make it look like junk.
 
W

Winfield Hill

Joseph2k wrote...
I had been thinking along the lines of the old Teledyne Philbrick
1443 ultrafast buffer; it would do at least 100 MHz drive over 2A
and would slew about 2500 V/us.

The 1443 datasheet features a page of Hi-Frequency Troubleshooting
Techniques, well worth a re-read. I enjoyed this paragraph on
page 6, under, The finger as an Analog Development Tool.

"In 15V systems, the finger can be a useful investigative tool,
if thoughtfully applied. It can couple signals in and out and
can also be used as a load. A well-laid-out RF opamp circuit
will be only slightly affected by a light touch. Dramatic
changes reveal a sensitive point! Check a circuit by touching
the amplifier case, the supply rails (carefully), ground, control
knobs, chassis parts, etc. If things change markedly when you
touch these areas, parasitics may be the problem."
The stuff Apex is putting out now make it look like junk.

I dunno, they go to higher voltages, but none of them slew as
fast as the 1443, for example. Sadly, this limits the value
of their higher-voltage capability to below say 5 to 10MHz.
For example, their PA19 only slews to 1000 V/us, which means
its 60Vpp 2A capability is limited to below 4MHz. Sorry!
 
R

RST Engineering \(jw\)

....and anybody's toolbox that doesn't consist of a toothpick with a ferrite
slug glued to one end and a brass slug glued to the other end hasn't ever
needed to fine-tune an RF circuit.

{;-)


Jim
 
P

Phil Hobbs

RST said:
...and anybody's toolbox that doesn't consist of a toothpick with a ferrite
slug glued to one end and a brass slug glued to the other end hasn't ever
needed to fine-tune an RF circuit.

*Contain*, that I believe. "Consist" is too hard-core for me. I want
comfort features like a soldering iron and some diagonal cutters.

You can also tune fixed-value ferrite inductors using a rare earth
magnet, at least if you don't have saturation worries. Some stay tuned,
and others don't, but you can at least figure out which way it should go.

Cheers,

Phil Hobbs
 
J

John Larkin

*Contain*, that I believe. "Consist" is too hard-core for me. I want
comfort features like a soldering iron and some diagonal cutters.

Don't forget the glue gun.

John
 
F

Frank Miles

Joseph2k wrote...

The 1443 datasheet features a page of Hi-Frequency Troubleshooting
Techniques, well worth a re-read. I enjoyed this paragraph on
page 6, under, The finger as an Analog Development Tool.

"In 15V systems, the finger can be a useful investigative tool,
if thoughtfully applied. It can couple signals in and out and
can also be used as a load. A well-laid-out RF opamp circuit
will be only slightly affected by a light touch. Dramatic
changes reveal a sensitive point! Check a circuit by touching
the amplifier case, the supply rails (carefully), ground, control
knobs, chassis parts, etc. If things change markedly when you
touch these areas, parasitics may be the problem."

A wooden-cased pencil makes for a more easily tuned tool. Depending
on how you grasp it (s/lightly held, or grasped along as much of
the length as possible), you can tune the capacitance fairly well.
It has the significant safety advantage of some voltage isolation, too.
The series resistance is significant; that can be good or bad,
depending...

The same kind of ideas as far as its use as an investigative tool
apply.

-frank
--
 
J

Joseph2k

Winfield said:
Joseph2k wrote...

The 1443 datasheet features a page of Hi-Frequency Troubleshooting
Techniques, well worth a re-read. I enjoyed this paragraph on
page 6, under, The finger as an Analog Development Tool.

"In 15V systems, the finger can be a useful investigative tool,
if thoughtfully applied. It can couple signals in and out and
can also be used as a load. A well-laid-out RF opamp circuit
will be only slightly affected by a light touch. Dramatic
changes reveal a sensitive point! Check a circuit by touching
the amplifier case, the supply rails (carefully), ground, control
knobs, chassis parts, etc. If things change markedly when you
touch these areas, parasitics may be the problem."


I dunno, they go to higher voltages, but none of them slew as
fast as the 1443, for example. Sadly, this limits the value
of their higher-voltage capability to below say 5 to 10MHz.
For example, their PA19 only slews to 1000 V/us, which means
its 60Vpp 2A capability is limited to below 4MHz. Sorry!
I could not find spec sheets for the 1443, did you?
The summary specs i found on their web site showed stuff that slewed at over
up to 1000v/us.

try: http://eportal.apexmicrotech.com/mainsite/products/linspeed.asp
 
J

Joseph2k

Winfield said:
Joseph2k wrote...

The 1443 datasheet features a page of Hi-Frequency Troubleshooting
Techniques, well worth a re-read. I enjoyed this paragraph on
page 6, under, The finger as an Analog Development Tool.

"In 15V systems, the finger can be a useful investigative tool,
if thoughtfully applied. It can couple signals in and out and
can also be used as a load. A well-laid-out RF opamp circuit
will be only slightly affected by a light touch. Dramatic
changes reveal a sensitive point! Check a circuit by touching
the amplifier case, the supply rails (carefully), ground, control
knobs, chassis parts, etc. If things change markedly when you
touch these areas, parasitics may be the problem."


I dunno, they go to higher voltages, but none of them slew as
fast as the 1443, for example. Sadly, this limits the value
of their higher-voltage capability to below say 5 to 10MHz.
For example, their PA19 only slews to 1000 V/us, which means
its 60Vpp 2A capability is limited to below 4MHz. Sorry!
OOPS. Last time i was at the site i thought i saw stuff at 4000V/us and
better. this is supposed to be after my post of their web site.
 
J

Joseph2k

RST said:
...and anybody's toolbox that doesn't consist of a toothpick with a
ferrite slug glued to one end and a brass slug glued to the other end
hasn't ever needed to fine-tune an RF circuit.

{;-)


Jim
Not too sure, but when i was troubleshooting weird problems i had several
toothpicks with one or the other on the end. it was often combinations
that helped me isolate the problem(s). 2 or 3 times out of hundreds. use
of multiple fingers to induce maximum unintended behavior set me on this
path.
 
W

Winfield Hill

Joseph2k wrote...
Might i suggest Microchip TC4626?

I like that part, with its built-in tripler to make the MOSFET
gate driver's voltage. But didn't Frank Mikkelsen asked for a
sine-wave drive?

BTW, I have the Teledyne Philbrick 1443 datasheets.
 
F

Fred Bartoli

Winfield Hill said:
Joseph2k wrote...

I like that part, with its built-in tripler to make the MOSFET
gate driver's voltage. But didn't Frank Mikkelsen asked for a
sine-wave drive?

BTW, I have the Teledyne Philbrick 1443 datasheets.

Is this an invitation for us to ask you to post it on abse?
I couldn't find it and your comments on it rose my interest.
 
W

Winfield Hill

Fred Bartoli wrote...
Winfield Hill wrote...

Is this an invitation for us to ask you to post it on abse?
I couldn't find it and your comments on it rose my interest.

Go and get it...
 
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