How to get the damaging leaked University of East Anglia CRU filesabout AGW

[Martin Brown]

But the validity of other global temperature datasets IS now very MUCH
in doubt!

According to the article at

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/i...n-Caught Green-Handed Climategate Scandal.pdf
,

SPPI and Monckton are well know denialist bedfellows. His presentation
in March to the House Senate committee was funny for all the wrong
reasons. eg.

http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/index.php/csw/details/viscount_monckton_denialist_dujour/

He is a great showman. Though his command of the facts is somewhat
lacking - either that or he has absolutely no personal integrity. A fair
proportion of what he says is easily proved wrong by fact checking.

It is odd that the US senators cannot distinguish fact from fiction. The
UK Science & Technology Select Committee are much more on the ball and
considerably less partisan in their approach. They also talk to real
experts rather than pretend ones from ultraright wing think tanks.

Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Eeyore]

In as much as a barking mad righttard can ever be. Odd that a champagne
socialist

Who ?

should find common cause with a bunch of neofascists.

Have you EVER actually spent time reading or viewing him ? I'll bet you
haven't. And CUT THE INSULTS if that's all you have. In fact removing
yourself from this thread would be a relief. The bile you spew is vile.

Graham

p.s. bought 3 'denialist' books for Christmas. I was spoilt for choice.
Amazon has about a dozen or more.

 

[Eeyore]

There is _some_ disagreement to the extent but all the scientists
agree:

A total lie from the beginning. By repeating it endlessly the public
began to believe it. Hitler did the same by blaming the Jews for
Germany's pre-war economic woes AND he got elected.

Oh dear, just broken Godwin's Law ! LMAO.

Graham

 

[jmfbahciv]

Doubtful. But why let facts bother a warmingist ?

The problem is that a majority of the public started
to believe the hype a couple years ago. That will
produce side-effects for decades because people
will make decision about expenditures and designs
based on the goremyth rather than reality.

Another side effect may be that nobody making these kinds
of decisions will believe any thing that is labelled
as a "science fact" and do the exact opposite of should be
done. This is the one that's the most worrisome.

/BAH


/BAH

 

[jmfbahciv]

'Climategate' is a BRITISH issue. Someone finally blew the whistle.
What's the GOP got to do with it?

The Democrats ran the last presidential and congressional elections
by blaming Bush for everything, especially global warming.

/BAH

 

[jmfbahciv]

AGW is still real enough. Much as you may wish it wasn't. I doubt that
anything useful will come out of Copenhagen so we will get to see how
bad things can get under the business as usual scenario. The evidence so
far is that the IPCC's estimates may be on the low side.

<snip>

You are wrong. Nobody seems to have noticed the bill that the House of
Representatives passed and is going through the Senate about capping
emissions. From the little I've heard, and I emphasize the little,
it's going to put even more burdens on small businesses.

/BAH

 

[Rich Grise]

Bret Cahill

Uh-oh. The Cahill Troll has discovered s.e.design.

Beware!

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

A lot of "climategate" is hyped by GOP strategists who know full well
AGW is a real threat...

Problem is, it's not.

It's just that simple.

Hope This Helps!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

That's a step up from what he was until recently, a sanctimonious
misanthrope more interested in preaching to humans than saving polar
bears.

And you're in denial of the fact that the polar bear population has been
burgeoning, an inconvenient fact that's contrary to warmingist dogma.

Ah, why do I waste my time? I'll be out back, trying to teach bricks to
sing. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

Turning your heater lower and smashing all filament type lightbulbs
will not change current and future temperature on earth at all.
Windmills and solar cannot provide enough power.
We need nuclear, work on fusion, and keep pumping oil in the mean time.

First, we need to focus on the politics of nuclear energy, a proven
technology that works TODAY. I don't think we'll see controlled fusion in
any of our lifetimes - nobody can control that much power, except for Hell
bombs, of course.

Or, keep researching it, but with private funds.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

'Climategate' is a BRITISH issue. Someone finally blew the whistle.
What's the GOP got to do with it?

Cahill's a troll. He finally figured out that everybody on s.e.b has
filtered him, so he's looking for a new sandbox to piss in.

Hope This Helps!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

The Democrats ran the last presidential and congressional elections
by blaming Bush for everything, especially global warming.

They're even blaming Bush for Osama^H^H^H^Hbama's escalation in
Vietnam^H^H^H^H^H^H^HAfghanistan.

I thought he won by promising to get us out of there? Not that there is
ANY promise he's kept.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

You didn't know that AGW caused oil to leak under the Arctic Ocean
floor?

The warming, or the warmingism? ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Eeyore]

SPPI and Monckton are well know denialist bedfellows.

You mean 'intelligent critics'.

As a result of 'climategate' AGW is a dead duck ( as it always was ) but
someone had to shoot the damn thing down. The 'leaker' at CRU deserves a
Nobel Prize. He can have the one that the Nobel Committee will be forced
to remove from Al Bore.

Have you been to http://www.megaupload.com/?d=75j4xo4t
and even bothered to download the incriminating files ?

I thought not.

Your 'religion' is finished and the World can breathe a collective sigh
of relief. People will stop dying of hunger in Asia and Africa from
inflated food prices caused by biofuel production that diverts resources
and inflates food prices and btw, did you know severe cold weather
claims more lives than severe warm weather ? A warming world ( within
sensible limits which nature deals with ) is GOOD for us all.

Furthermore, 95% of plants grow better in higher CO2 environments as it
happens including all ? food crops. Indeed, plants have been seen as a
great 'carbon capture' method. It's being used here in the UK right now
with tomatoes.


Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Uh-oh. The Cahill Troll has discovered s.e.design.

Not for the first time IIRC. Probably due to the multiple groups.

How he belongs in either sci.energy or sci.physics is a mystery too.

Graham

 

[Don Klipstein]

So what ? Sea ice melting doesn't change sea level ( except very
minutely due to salt content ) or don't you know basic physics ? The
effect on albedo at that latitude will be minute.

Insolation at Earth's surface in theArctic and Antarctic year-round is
generally around 30-40% of that at the equator - I would notcall that
minute.

- Don Klipstein ([email protected])

 

[Eeyore]

On a sunny day (Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:21:10 -0800) it happened John Larkin wrote


Not if sufficiently indoctrinated.


Copenhagen will not fail, because it is a public show to bring carbon taxes to the masses.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/15/brown-global-warming-finance-deal

" Gordon Brown became the first world leader to fly into Copenhagen last
night where he warned there was a possibility the climate change talks
may not end in agreement.

The prime minister is attending the talks two days earlier than planned
in order to help broker discussions on who should pay to tackle global
warming. But he immediately cast a gloomy pall, telling reporters in
Copenhagen: "It is possible that we will not get an agreement and it is
also true that there are many issues to be sorted out."

With the talks balanced on a knife-edge, earlier in the day the prime
minister had issued a call to arms to fellow heads of state, saying they
had three days to "shape the future of humanity". As the high-level
political part of the summit began, its Danish president, Connie
Hedegaard, echoed the pessimism of the prime minister: "In these very
hours we are balancing between success and failure. Success is within
reach. But I must also warn you: we can fail."

Delegates at the summit are nervously awaiting fresh versions of the
draft treaty text which more than 115 world leaders will want to
finalise by Friday.

The first sign of progress could come today with Ethiopia's prime
minister, Meles Zenawi, expected to announce new proposals for climate
change. Developing countries say they need billions of dollars to cope
with rising sea levels ... "

But sea level is currently FALLING !

Graham

 

[Don Klipstein]

The first sign of progress could come today with Ethiopia's prime
minister, Meles Zenawi, expected to announce new proposals for climate
change. Developing countries say they need billions of dollars to cope
with rising sea levels ... "

But sea level is currently FALLING !

Graph of sea level change, including an average of 23 tide gauge records
and satellite readings:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Recent_Sea_Level_Rise.png

- Don Klipstein ([email protected])

 

[jmfbahciv]

I don't think so. For the public, AGW was a fad that's fading. I think
scepticism is the new fad, and even the press is starting to go along.

Sigh! There a bill which has been passed by the House based on this
bloody asumption. It will become law when the Senate passes it. That
bill, alone, has far-reaching effects on small businesses and the
middle class. It will never be repealed.

Joe Public is perfectly capable of opening his front door to see four
feet of snow piled on his car and conclude that climate scientists are
twits.

that's not what I'm talking about.

If Copenhagen bombs, as it likely will, there may never be enough
political momentum to revive it. Things are swinging the other way.

But it's not bombing. Look at what is happening. And also notice
what doesn't make the headlines. The riots will be used as
smoke and mirrors by the politicians inside.

/BAH

 

[jmfbahciv]

Oh, they will probably sign *something* and declare themselves
saviors. But it will be toothless and will not be much honored in
future years.

Anything Obama signs will cost money because that's how he works.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126088020911291961.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories

Imagine a thing of this magnitude rushed to completion in a couple of
days, in the glare of the press, surrounded by eco-nuts chanting in
the streets, blessed by Pope Gore, with all the heads of state due to
arrive for their signing ritual with the Danish snow for their
photo-op backgrounds.

Insanity.

Obama collected a Nobel prize because he wants the rest of the world
to "like" him. That is insane.

/BAH