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How not to wire up an electric grill

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Joerg

ChairmanOfTheBored said:
Mplayer. Go to the source page or get the subversion.

Ok, thanks.

What makes you think any would be unsafe, and why do you not scan
downloaded executables yourself, regardless of the source?


I do. But just as with antibiotics a virus scanner is not a cure-all.
Just like with real viruses there is that constant race between
attackers and defenders. And there have been cases where helper routines
have been distributed with malware inside.
 
R

Rich Grise

they are german - so they will be pissing in the pool too.

Anybody who tells you he/she doesn't piss in the pool is a liar. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich
 
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ChairmanOfTheBored

Ok, thanks.




I do. But just as with antibiotics a virus scanner is not a cure-all.
Just like with real viruses there is that constant race between
attackers and defenders. And there have been cases where helper routines
have been distributed with malware inside.


Helper routines? It is a single executable, and makes calls to
libraries.

I think you have a slightly bent perception along these lines.

There is currently a PS3 ported version that allows one to hook up an
XBox 360 HD-DVD player to the BluRay Sony PS3 product and decode and
watch the HD-DVD films on a PS3.

It is mplayer subversion with key list files, and decoders. Linux
relies on many libraries that get used by multiple apps (many player apps
use the same libraries). There is even an installed version on the
Knoppix LiveDVD you can check it out with that makes no writes to your
HDs at all..
 
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ChairmanOfTheBored

they are german - so they will be pissing in the pool too.
Jailhouse coffee heater, called a Stinger...

Two tablespoons, separated by a couple rubber bands, tied together with
some rubber bands, wired to the AC outlet.

Hot instant coffee water in a matter of seconds. Likely with a
slightly rubbery taste.
 
J

John O'Flaherty

Western Europe nowadays has 230 volts, with one neutral conductor, connected
to earth, and one live conductor, carrying 230 volts AC.

The pool situation could be extremely dangerous, even if the plastic
insulation is perfect -- the whole setup acts as a giant capacitor, with
roughly the following capacity:

mu0 x mur x A 8.9E-12 x 3.8 x 15
C = ------------- = ------------------ ~= 0.5uF
d 1E-3
(with A in square meters, d in meters, and mur the relative mu of PVC)

This capacitor creates the necessary path to ground. At 50Hz and 115 volts
(the resulting AC voltage with a 230 wire and a neutral wire under water),
this capacitor would allow for an AC current of well over 10mA, a lot of
which will flow through the body if positioned between the conductors and
the pool floor. Although this is not considered immediately lethal, it will
cause spasms and loss of muscle control, most probably resulting in
drowning of the victim. Anyone getting within a meter or so from the wires
would start feeling anything from slight tingling to severe discomfort.
I'd recommend only foolish people do as shown in the picture, so as to
improve the general level of intelligence of the human population.

Good point. That big surface area and thin dielectric are important.
It occurs to me that the same consideration applies to a bathtub,
which is usually of iron or steel, grounded at the drain outlet
(unless it's a PVC drain), insulated by a porcelain layer.
Assuming about 2 m^2 for area and thickness of 1.2 mm and dielectric
constant of about 9 for the porcelain enamel (figures from the web),
you'd have 8.9e-12 * 9 * 2 / 1.2e-3 = 0.13 uF. That could add
significantly to currents carried directly to the metal drain.
 
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