Guy Macon on using terms such as "Professional Engineer"

[joseph2k]

You certainly can in some places. It's called "reference to the
law."

cordially, as always,

rm

Just to top things off, there is a Licenced Engineer in the office i work in
who does not have a BS degree. Happens to be in California as well, so
that the legal rules are the same.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Guy "is that tar and feathers I smell?" Macon

You should bathe more often.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

(Note: W.O.M.B.A.T. = Waste Of Money, Brains, And Time.)

Sigh, Guy. You can't waste what you don't have.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Guy Macon]

Sigh, Guy. You can't waste what you don't have.

Hey! I have lots of time and money!

Nice to see Guy Macon showing a proper appreciation of Fred Bloggs,

But of course! Bill Sloman is another under-appreciated individual.
I am thinking of starting a fan club. For Michael Terrell, a
religious cult would seem to be the only appropriate way to regognize
his sureriority. You folks are great! ***GROUP HUG***

 

[Guy Macon]

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Just to top things off, there is a Licenced Engineer in the office
i work in who does not have a BS degree. Happens to be in California
as well, so that the legal rules are the same.

Exactly so. In the state of California there is no requirement
that an engineer has a degree or license. A California engineer
can have a license without a degree, a degree without a license,
neither, or both.

The application for starting down the road to becoming a licensed
professional engineer in California says that the applicant must
"Complete three years or more of college in a Board approved
engineering curriculum *or* three years or more of engineering-
related experience" then "Take and pass the eight-hour National
Council of Examiners for Engineering and Surveying (NCEES)
Fundamentals of Engineering (FE) examination." After that it's all
experience and exams, with no required formal education.

What you call yourself depends on your degree or license.
It would be fraud to call oneself "Professional Engineer",
"Registered Engineer", "Licensed Engineer", "PE", or "P.E."
"EIT", etc. without the proper licence. It would be fraud
to call oneself "BSEE", "PHD", "Degreed", Dr.", etc. without
the proper degree.

The applicable California law is:

Professional Engineers Act
Business And Professions Code §§ 6700 – 6799
Effective January 1, 2007
Chapter 7. Professional Engineers
http://www.dca.ca.gov/pels/pe_act.pdf

§ 6704 Defines who may use engineer titles:

"Only persons licensed under this chapter shall be entitled
to take and use the titles 'consulting engineer,' 'professional
engineer,' or 'registered engineer,' or any combination of
those titles or abbreviations thereof."


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Wikipedia has a good overview with links to authoritative sources.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Engineer

 

[John Larkin]

Hey! I have lots of time and money!




But of course! Bill Sloman is another under-appreciated individual.

Interesting, the mutual admiration society between Sloman and Bloggs,
two people who do not design electronics, in sci.electronics.design!

I am thinking of starting a fan club. For Michael Terrell, a
religious cult would seem to be the only appropriate way to regognize
his sureriority.

Umm, I don't spell very well either.

You folks are great! ***GROUP HUG***

Aw, shucks.

John

 

[Fred Bloggs]

John Larkin wrote:
[...snip...]

Don't you have an *ugly* ESR meter to design???

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Hey, where's my watch?

Fred took it, while everyone else was busy designing their ESR
meters.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Hey, where's my watch?

When you do get it back, you need to reset your computer's clock.
Its 6:20 PM and your post says 7:06 PM.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[John Larkin]

John Larkin wrote:
[...snip...]

Don't you have an *ugly* ESR meter to design???

You post a sketch to abse, and then I'll post mine. It needn't be
perfect, just a starting point. You can add the blowout protections
later.

John

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

Interesting, the mutual admiration society between Sloman and Bloggs,
two people who do not design electronics, in sci.electronics.design!


Umm, I don't spell very well either.


Aw, shucks.

John

Hey, where's my watch?


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

 

[[email protected]]

Interesting, the mutual admiration society between Sloman and Bloggs,
two people who do not design electronics, in sci.electronics.design!

Oddly enough, I do design electronics. Nobody seems to be paying me
for it at the moment, so none of it gets built, which makes it kind of
pointless to boast about it.

Umm, I don't spell very well either.


Aw, shucks.

He may just have been indulging in irony there, but then again I might
be over-estimating him.

 

[Roger Manyard]

In the state of California there is no requirement that an engineer
has a degree or license. A California engineer can have a license
without a degree, a degree without a license, neither, or both.

And you don't have a license or a degree or anything else to qualify
you as an Engineer except your "I say so." Certainly your work
history, a list of places where you had a cup of coffee before they
caught on to you, isn't going to help you.

You're a fraud. You're a phoney. If you can get a license without
a degree, then get one. As it stands now, you are an unlicensed,
uneducated, fraud. You are uninsurable as an "Engineer" and anyone
who signed you on as such could easily be convicted of criminal
negligence when some Rube Goldberg contraption you banged together
collapsed and cost people their lives.

The fact is, you couldn't pass the exams and that is why you never
wrote them. And that is why you are not, in any sense of the word,
an "Engineer" and you are an insult to all those who are.

cordially, as always,

rm

 

[Guy Macon]

Interesting, the mutual admiration society between Sloman and Bloggs,
two people who do not design electronics, in sci.electronics.design!

It's hardly fair to fault them just because their lights dim next
to the pinnacle of superiority that is John Larkin! You are so
utterly excellent that you have traveled far beyond excellence as
we know it and into a new dimension of excellence. Meta-excellent.
Excellent cubed. Trans-excellence excellent. Pure merit collapsed
into to a singularity where even the meritons have collapsed into
meritonium. It cannot be possible that anyone on Usenet can really
be this smart. You must be a primordial fragment from the original
big bang of wisdom and grace. A pure extract of intelligence with
absolute intellectual purity.

Who can possibly compare to that?

I am just glad that yuo allow us mere mortals to interact with your
wonderfulness instead of vaporizing us with your mental powers as
you view our poor attemps at Usenet posts. Thanks!

You guys are the greatest!!

***GROUP HUG***

 

[Guy Macon]

He may just have been indulging in irony there, but then again
I might be over-estimating him.

Irony? Perish the thought! It's just that I had an epiphany.
My eyes were opened, and I saw the light. I realized what an
honor it is to have my poor attempts at Usenet posts share the
same disk as my intellectual superiors such as the great Bill
Sloman. To think that I could have been born a hundred years
earlier and missed this moment in history, or that I could have
been born a hundred years later and would only be able to read
the holy scrolls in the Bill Sloman museum! I must apologize.
I can't go on. After this experience, life itself seems like
an empty shell. Thank you for gracing my humble self with your
bevevolant and all-wise comments.

I love this place!

*** GROUP HUG ***

 

[John Larkin]

It's hardly fair to fault them just because their lights dim next
to the pinnacle of superiority that is John Larkin! You are so
utterly excellent that you have traveled far beyond excellence as
we know it and into a new dimension of excellence. Meta-excellent.
Excellent cubed. Trans-excellence excellent. Pure merit collapsed
into to a singularity where even the meritons have collapsed into
meritonium. It cannot be possible that anyone on Usenet can really
be this smart. You must be a primordial fragment from the original
big bang of wisdom and grace. A pure extract of intelligence with
absolute intellectual purity.

You seem to that think excellence is a scalar quantity. It's actually
a vector.

Who can possibly compare to that?

Is all your writing this tedious?

John

 

[Guy Macon]

You seem to that think excellence is a scalar quantity.
It's actually a vector.

I *have* run into folks (not here, of course) who's excellence
appears to have a significant imaginary component...

Is all your writing this tedious?

Thank you sir! May I have another, sir?

 

[ChuMaiFat]

Exactly so. In the state of California there is no requirement
that an engineer has a degree or license. A California engineer
can have a license without a degree, a degree without a license,
neither, or both.

If you are talking about an engineer, how the hell could he have both "a
license without a degree" and a "degree without a license" at the same time?

Obviously something you'd have to be an engineer to understand, or it
some sort of laid back, California thing?

With kind regards

Chu

 

[[email protected]]

You seem to that think excellence is a scalar quantity. It's actually
a vector.

To excel is to beat the competition. This is a scalar metric. There
are lots of different ways of beating the competition, so the
underlying competencies can be seen as a vector. Commercial success
inevitably seems to require some measure of self-promotion, which
makes this a core component of the basket of competencies.

 

[[email protected]]

Irony? Perish the thought! It's just that I had an epiphany.
My eyes were opened, and I saw the light. I realized what an
honor it is to have my poor attempts at Usenet posts share the
same disk as my intellectual superiors such as the great Bill
Sloman. To think that I could have been born a hundred years
earlier and missed this moment in history, or that I could have
been born a hundred years later and would only be able to read
the holy scrolls in the Bill Sloman museum! I must apologize.
I can't go on. After this experience, life itself seems like
an empty shell. Thank you for gracing my humble self with your
bevevolant and all-wise comments.

Definitely irony. He could have made the point with fewer words.