For those with LinkedIn accounts.

[SG1]

That is what one of my signatures inferred. Big threat to this will be
the NBN where everything like interactive TV's will be a norm and
social media or your choice of "news" which you can give uncensored
feedback on. Many other businesses will be built on NBN as well. The
same opposition to the laying of power lines happen in Australia early
20th century.


While I agree the carbon tax is a big mistake I am not desperate
enough to believe Abbott in anything. Makes me wonder who does now run
Labor and Liberal they must have better representatives than they
force us to vote for non are for Australia. My only desicision is
which party comes last on my ballot paper or do I just put it in blank

Greens every time. Put the snot last!!!!!!!

 

[Rod Speed]

Not according to Tony Blair, Paul Keating and
any other leader who falls foul of the press.

Not one of those ever said anything like that.

It's their business to know this.

Another lie.

You read it?

And flushed it where it belongs.

Not a "norm" yet

Not seen ANYWHERE and it wont be either.

and there are few Internet household devices that allow it.

Even sillier.

Just in its infancy "Smart TV's I don't think are fully interactive

It needs a hell of a lot more than just the TV and a broadband connection.

nor are phones the "Jetsons phone" will be a norm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31441789@N07/3084403027/
You place your order you see on it and a electric van delivers it.

Just another silly little fantasy.

We are going back to the corner store we had as kids,

Just another silly little fantasy.

we rarely went shopping those days a phone call we
made the order to "Mr Jones" who then delivered it.

**** all ever did that.

Milk truck did the same

Pigs arse it ever did.

That's already happening to degrees
http://www.aussiefarmers.com.au/

Works fine without the NBN, fool.

Not a "norm" yet

Not seen ANYWHERE and it wont be either.

and there are few Internet household devices that allow it.

Computers do, fool. And you don't need any NBN either.

Not seen anyone one with 21st century Internet in Australia have you?

There is no such animal.

Would you know what it was?

There is no such animal.

Still to many People like me not prepared to vote mainstream politics

Not enough fools that stupid to matter a damn.

with "Greens" and Independents deciding who will get Government.

That only ever happens with minority govts and we hardly ever have
those, fool. We wont see that come the next election, you watch.

Juliar's govt will be flushed as comprehensively
as NSW and QLD and VIC Labor was, you watch.

The reason Gillard is in now is only because none trusts Abbott (rightly
so)

The reason Juliar even got a minority govt was because
she lied about not having a carbon tax and some fools
were actually stupid enough to believe that lie.

They wont be that stupid again, you watch.

Yes voters don't have a say.

They do have a say on who they vote for and they
wont be voting for Juliar's govt again, you watch.

That's what I said?

You're lying again, Pinocchio.

Major majority seem to agree with me Rod!

Then you need to get your seems machinery seen to, BAD.

Glad you know what "normal" is?

You never ever could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

Major majority seem to agree with me Rod!

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.

Glad you know what "normal" is?

You never ever could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

 

[Frank Slootweg]

[Sorry for the double post. I could not crosspost due to an accidental
configuration change. Now I can crosspost again.]

That is what one of my signatures inferred. Big threat to this will be
the NBN where everything like interactive TV's will be a norm and
social media or your choice of "news" which you can give uncensored
feedback on. Many other businesses will be built on NBN as well. The
same opposition to the laying of power lines happen in Australia early
20th century.

Sorry to rain on your parade, but interactive TV does not need the
NBN. Of course it can work on the NBN, but doesn't need (the (promised)
speed of) the NBN. We (in The Netherlands) do interactive TV just fine
with copper/cable, thank you very much!

And as to "opposition": We (TINW) do oppose the *cluelessness* of the
NBN (non) 'design' and the cluelessness of many of its supporters. We do
*not* oppose fibre technology. After all, it's four decades old, and its
generic use in Oz predates the NBN by many, many years, so how *could*
we possibly be opposed to it!? :-(

No I hand you back to your (generic "your") regular "We need the NBN,
because I/we say/think so!" show.

[...]

 

[SG1]

[Sorry for the double post. I could not crosspost due to an accidental
configuration change. Now I can crosspost again.]

That is what one of my signatures inferred. Big threat to this will be
the NBN where everything like interactive TV's will be a norm and
social media or your choice of "news" which you can give uncensored
feedback on. Many other businesses will be built on NBN as well. The
same opposition to the laying of power lines happen in Australia early
20th century.

Sorry to rain on your parade, but interactive TV does not need the
NBN. Of course it can work on the NBN, but doesn't need (the (promised)
speed of) the NBN. We (in The Netherlands) do interactive TV just fine
with copper/cable, thank you very much!

And as to "opposition": We (TINW) do oppose the *cluelessness* of the
NBN (non) 'design' and the cluelessness of many of its supporters. We do
*not* oppose fibre technology. After all, it's four decades old, and its
generic use in Oz predates the NBN by many, many years, so how *could*
we possibly be opposed to it!? :-(

No I hand you back to your (generic "your") regular "We need the NBN,
because I/we say/think so!" show.

[...]

Welcome back "The voice of reason" aka Dutchy. Missed your non-ranting
style. The natives have restless of late.

 

[Petzl]

[Sorry for the double post. I could not crosspost due to an accidental
configuration change. Now I can crosspost again.]

That is what one of my signatures inferred. Big threat to this will be
the NBN where everything like interactive TV's will be a norm and
social media or your choice of "news" which you can give uncensored
feedback on. Many other businesses will be built on NBN as well. The
same opposition to the laying of power lines happen in Australia early
20th century.

Sorry to rain on your parade, but interactive TV does not need the
NBN. Of course it can work on the NBN, but doesn't need (the (promised)
speed of) the NBN. We (in The Netherlands) do interactive TV just fine
with copper/cable, thank you very much!

And as to "opposition": We (TINW) do oppose the *cluelessness* of the
NBN (non) 'design' and the cluelessness of many of its supporters. We do
*not* oppose fibre technology. After all, it's four decades old, and its
generic use in Oz predates the NBN by many, many years, so how *could*
we possibly be opposed to it!? :-(

No I hand you back to your (generic "your") regular "We need the NBN,
because I/we say/think so!" show.

[...]

Most in Australia do not have a good copperwire connection though.
This is being replaced by the NBN where every home will have a fibre
optic link. No copperwire at all. Don't see your point, Sydney had the
same stupid argument early 20th Century about the laying of powerlines
to every house. Yours is the same backward logic, if you and Holland
want to live in grass huts thats their doing I suppose.

 

[terryc]

We (in The Netherlands) do interactive TV just fine

Most in Australia do not have a good copperwire connection though.

You missed the "cable" part of his troll.

 

[Petzl]

You missed the "cable" part of his troll.

Yes cable is pretty well non-exsistant as well.

 

[Rod Speed]

Most in Australia do not have a good copperwire connection though.

That is a bare faced lie.

This is being replaced by the NBN where every home will have a fibre optic
link.

Another bare faced lie. **** all will even have fiber optic
by the time that the voter pull the plug on Juliar's govt
and the replacement govt pulls the plug on the NBN.

And NONE of the copper has been ripped out
yet and NONE of it will have been by the time
that the voter pull the plug on Juliar's govt and
the replacement govt pulls the plug on the NBN.

No copperwire at all.

Pure fantasy/bare faced lies.

Don't see your point,

Because you have wanked yourself completely blind, as always.

Sydney had the same stupid argument early 20th
Century about the laying of powerlines to every house.

Another bare faced lie.

Yours is the same backward logic,

Another bare faced lie.

if you and Holland want to live in grass huts thats their doing I suppose.

Completely off with the fucking fairys, as always.

And it aint just Holland either, it's the whole of western
europe and the US and Canada etc etc etc too.

 

[Rod Speed]

Yes cable is pretty well non-exsistant as well.

You are a fucking pathological liar.

 

[Frank Slootweg]

[Sorry for the double post. I could not crosspost due to an accidental
configuration change. Now I can crosspost again.]

That is true, as long as fucksticks continue to believe mainstream
corporate media they will continue call the shots. When people
think for themselves, get real
and act accordingly, only then will we have any sort of a future and
stability.

That is what one of my signatures inferred. Big threat to this will be
the NBN where everything like interactive TV's will be a norm and
social media or your choice of "news" which you can give uncensored
feedback on. Many other businesses will be built on NBN as well. The
same opposition to the laying of power lines happen in Australia early
20th century.

Sorry to rain on your parade, but interactive TV does not need the
NBN. Of course it can work on the NBN, but doesn't need (the (promised)
speed of) the NBN. We (in The Netherlands) do interactive TV just fine
with copper/cable, thank you very much!

And as to "opposition": We (TINW) do oppose the *cluelessness* of the
NBN (non) 'design' and the cluelessness of many of its supporters. We do
*not* oppose fibre technology. After all, it's four decades old, and its
generic use in Oz predates the NBN by many, many years, so how *could*
we possibly be opposed to it!? :-(

No I hand you back to your (generic "your") regular "We need the NBN,
because I/we say/think so!" show.

[...]

Most in Australia do not have a good copperwire connection though.
This is being replaced by the NBN where every home will have a fibre
optic link. No copperwire at all. Don't see your point

<whoosh>

My point is that Oz does *not* need "the NBN", but *does* need basic
affordable broadband where it's currently not available. *That* is the
problem and "the NBN" is not solving *that* problem. "The NBN" is only/
mostly 'solving' non-existent 'problems' at immense cost.

Sydney had the
same stupid argument early 20th Century about the laying of powerlines
to every house.

With the minor nit that - for a long, long time to come - "the NBN" is
*not* "laying network lines to every house". *That* is the whole
problem.

Yours is the same backward logic, if you and Holland
want to live in grass huts thats their doing I suppose.

Huh? *We* *do* have affordable basic (and higher) broadband at every
house and *you* *do not* - and *will not* for a long, long time - and we
are the ones living in grass huts? It's exactly the other way around.
(And to (try to) prevent yet another whoosh: "we" and "you" are generic,
i.e. *all* of The Netherlands and *all* of Australia, not just me and
you.)

 

[Rod Speed]

[Sorry for the double post. I could not crosspost due to an accidental
configuration change. Now I can crosspost again.]

That is true, as long as fucksticks continue to believe mainstream
corporate media they will continue call the shots. When people
think for themselves, get real
and act accordingly, only then will we have any sort of a future and
stability.

That is what one of my signatures inferred. Big threat to this will be
the NBN where everything like interactive TV's will be a norm and
social media or your choice of "news" which you can give uncensored
feedback on. Many other businesses will be built on NBN as well. The
same opposition to the laying of power lines happen in Australia early
20th century.

Sorry to rain on your parade, but interactive TV does not need the
NBN. Of course it can work on the NBN, but doesn't need (the (promised)
speed of) the NBN. We (in The Netherlands) do interactive TV just fine
with copper/cable, thank you very much!

And as to "opposition": We (TINW) do oppose the *cluelessness* of the
NBN (non) 'design' and the cluelessness of many of its supporters. We do
*not* oppose fibre technology. After all, it's four decades old, and its
generic use in Oz predates the NBN by many, many years, so how *could*
we possibly be opposed to it!? :-(

No I hand you back to your (generic "your") regular "We need the NBN,
because I/we say/think so!" show.

[...]

Most in Australia do not have a good copperwire connection though.
This is being replaced by the NBN where every home will have a fibre
optic link. No copperwire at all. Don't see your point

<whoosh>

My point is that Oz does *not* need "the NBN", but *does* need basic
affordable broadband where it's currently not available. *That* is the
problem and "the NBN" is not solving *that* problem. "The NBN" is only/
mostly 'solving' non-existent 'problems' at immense cost.

Sydney had the
same stupid argument early 20th Century about the laying of powerlines
to every house.

With the minor nit that - for a long, long time to come - "the NBN" is
*not* "laying network lines to every house". *That* is the whole
problem.

Yours is the same backward logic, if you and Holland
want to live in grass huts thats their doing I suppose.

Huh? *We* *do* have affordable basic (and higher) broadband at every
house and *you* *do not*

We do actually.

- and *will not* for a long, long time -

Wrong, as always.

 

[Petzl]

<whoosh>

My point is that Oz does *not* need "the NBN", but *does* need basic
affordable broadband where it's currently not available. *That* is the
problem and "the NBN" is not solving *that* problem. "The NBN" is only/
mostly 'solving' non-existent 'problems' at immense cost.

Those that count (Government agree) say we do?
Originally intended by PM John Howard early 2000. As private operators
were slow to take it up the Rudd Labor Government decided that it
would be done as part of his stimulus package. The economics show
Australia can afford it. I'm in a very much Liberal Electorate and a
big issue is that voters in our and surrounding electorates that won't
be hooked up next year are screaming. So it is political suicide to
stop it's progress. Malcolm Turnbull a senior Liberal has invested
heavily in the NBN going ahead.

With the minor nit that - for a long, long time to come - "the NBN" is
*not* "laying network lines to every house". *That* is the whole
problem.

Every house will have a different communication port that they have
now. Looks like a optic fibre connection to me and everyone that's
seen it.

Huh? *We* *do* have affordable basic (and higher) broadband at every
house and *you* *do not* - and *will not* for a long, long time - and we
are the ones living in grass huts? It's exactly the other way around.
(And to (try to) prevent yet another whoosh: "we" and "you" are generic,
i.e. *all* of The Netherlands and *all* of Australia, not just me and
you.)

Comparing Holland to Australia?
Australia (sq km) 7686850 (Pop 20,601,000)
Holland (sq km) 41526 (Pop 16,645,000)
Seems like our population is not as highly concentrated than yours
Again most Australians do not have even basic broadband, more and more
are disconnecting copperwire because its useless to them (Broadband
not available) Growing majority are just using mobile for
communication, my mobile costs about $6 every 3 months and fits in
pocket, I do have a "ASDL 2+" connection but are like many 3Km (20
min walk) away from Post Office Exchange, speed drops off radically
the distance your *line* travels mines apparently takes 7Km.
Every one I ask for a speed test gives me this or even worse speed.
http://www.speedtest.net/
Result today
http://www.speedtest.net/result/2003522855.png
Which is NOT high speed broadband.
I'm in Campbelltown Sydney NSW.
Very brave politition that is going to cancel the NBN in our
electorate already many pissed for missing out on first rollout
Local Paper
http://tinyurl.com/8974lpg
Election results (safe Liberal seat since I've been here)
http://tinyurl.com/85x42n4

 

[terryc]

"The NBN" is only/
mostly 'solving' non-existent 'problems' at immense cost.

Breath taking for someone who claims to have travelled throughout
Australia. Good ow foot shot.

With the minor nit that - for a long, long time to come - "the NBN" is
*not* "laying network lines to every house". *That* is the whole
problem.

It will eventually.

 

[Petzl]

Breath taking for someone who claims to have travelled throughout
Australia. Good ow foot shot.



It will eventually.

Now Testra is part of it this will be a lot quicker than Rod and Frank
think if they think?

 

[SG1]

Now Testra is part of it this will be a lot quicker than Rod and Frank
think if they think?

Now that Helstra is involved it will SLOW DOWN. That is the nature of
Helstra.

 

[Petzl]

Now that Helstra is involved it will SLOW DOWN. That is the nature of
Helstra.

Not yet convinced on Telstra capabilities myself.
However the Share Market took off on the new that the ACC ok'ed
Testra's involvement. Before they were looking bodgey

 

[SG1]

Not yet convinced on Telstra capabilities myself.
However the Share Market took off on the new that the ACC ok'ed
Testra's involvement. Before they were looking bodgey
--
Petzl
Q: What has Tony Abbott promised Murdoch?
A: A broadband network that will be so slow as to offer no competition to
his pay TV interests.
Paul Keating's assessment of Rupert Murdoch as "a big bad bastard"

My assessment of Paul, I am not allowed to say as children may be present.

 

[Rod Speed]

Breath taking for someone who claims to have travelled throughout
Australia. Good ow foot shot.



It will eventually.

Nope, because it cant last more than 15 months now.

 

[Rod Speed]

Now Testra is part of it

It aint. It aint got ACCC approval yet and wont get it either.

this will be a lot quicker than Rod and Frank think

**** all will get done in the 15 months its got left.

 

[Petzl]

Nope, because it cant last more than 15 months now.

I'm one of the ones that will have it by then