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Is there no limit to audio insanity? Don't look like it.
John
He was off by one or even two places on the decimal for the value of
them though.
There's a sucker born every minute.
Is there no limit to audio insanity? Don't look like it.
John
For 6500 $ a piece, I was thinking, 'how many does he sell'?
I can hire a guy to assemble many of these a week.
Did you notice he feeds the heaters with 250 kHz AC to prevent hum?
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*S-Video* output?????????????????????????????
On an audio amp?
Nope. Saturation can occur in transformers that do not have any DC
component as well. It all comes down to Ampere Turns,
and whether or
not the switcher has any overlap on its pulses. (most do) Gapping
opens that overlap up, and actually improves efficiency by reducing
the losses caused by said overlap.
To you, a simple tester.
OK, say we have an ungapped iron-core transformer, with some fixed AC
voltage and frequency applied to a primary winding. Primary
ampere-turns are some value X. Now add an air gap. What happens to X?
Sounds like leakage inductance to me. Gapping may increase leakage
inductance.
Please explain to us what a ferroresonant transformer is for, and how
it works.
Get the THD specs .....John Larkin said:Right. The only reason to add gaps is if there's DC present, or to
better define the inductance.
Is there no limit to audio insanity? Don't look like it.
John
Small, impractical nit: Won't the flux continue to increase with
current, at a declining effective permeability, approaching u=1 at
full saturation of the iron? Admittedly, this is a pretty low slope,
but I don't think it goes to zero.
I know a guy who has a secret process for treating metglas, up to a
permeability of about 1e6.
The gaps are very small. For pot cores, it can be anywhere from
half a mil to around 5 or even 10 mils. Without it, problems do
occur.
In a switcher, it keeps the crossover from banging into each other.
A big source of switcher noise, and LOST efficiency.
Bill Sloman said:For many years Telcom metals have sold a bunch of funny alloys -
mu- metal amongst others - offering permeabilities of the order
of 1e5.
You've got to anneal them after you've deformed them into the
shape you want to get these high permeabilities. National
Standards labs use this sort of material as cores in precision
ratio transformers. Hardly anybody else can afford it.
The term for today is:
MAG AMP.
4.3% !!!Get the THD specs .....
Paul said:In a thread in SEB there was a discussion on transformer failure modes that
also mentioned gaps in the magnetic path. I never fully understood the
function of gaps in the core, but I observed that they are generally
present in iron core inductors, but not in most transformers.
I found some information at
http://www.micrometals.com/appnotes/appnotedownloads/id4hf.pdf, where it is
explained that the gap size can maximize energy storage in an inductor by
balancing the point of magnetic saturation (and core heating) with winding
losses. It seems that a wider (or longer) core gap extends the point of
magnetic saturation by allowing more current to flow through the windings,
so the effect is to lower the inductance. A smaller gap will have higher
inductance, but will saturate the core much more quickly, resulting in less
energy storage.
As an inductor is used more for energy storage, a gap (whether actually cut
in the magnetic material or distributed as with powdered iron), allows more
energy storage by allowing more current flow, and energy is proportional to
the square of the current. For a transformer, as I understand it, the
energy is transferred from the primary to secondary by mutual inductance,
so the absense of a gap results in higher inductance and a higher volts per
turn.
More information can be found at
http://ece-www.colorado.edu/~ecen4517/course_material/Exp6/Inductor.pdf,
which describes filter inductor design.
I would like to get a better understanding of the characteristics of
transformers and inductors to know how best to design high current 50/60 Hz
transformers as well as switch mode boost converters using inductors.
The transformers I have made use toroidal primary cores with 120/240 VAC
windings, and secondaries consisting of several turns of bus bar or welding
cable to produce up to 10s of thousands of amps. They will usually produce
15 to 30 times their nominal output currents for short pulses.
The switch mode boost converter I have designed uses a 10 uH inductor at
100 kHz to boost 12 VDC to 25 or 45 VDC at about 800 mA. However, I
recently found that a small pot core inductor rated at 6.7 amps seemed to
work better than a larger toroidal inductor rated at 10.8 amps. I think
this might be because the smaller inductor starts to saturate sooner,
lowering its inductance but allowing more current to flow, resulting in
higher energy storage. The larger inductor is probably allowing much less
current and hence less energy, so it cannot produce the power for the
higher voltage load. I can probably drop the frequency to 75 kHz or 60 KHz
and maybe get the output I need.
Thanks for any thoughts and discussion.
Paul
Paul said:OK. That is very helpful in understanding the principles involved. The gaps
I saw in some large C-core inductors I have are about 0.1", and the
laminated steel has a length of about 10". So if the magnetic path length
is increased to 1000, that is a 100 fold decrease in inductance, allowing
100 times the ampere turns, and thus 100 times the energy. This is a 100 mH
inductor rated about 10 amperes.
Thank you for that information. I had posted on SEB that some small
transformers may be made with a gap to make them impedance protected in
case of an output overload or short. There are probably other ways to
achieve this effect with looser coupling. As I had posted there, it comes
at the price of low efficiency and poor regulation, but that's what is
desired for self-protection.
Switchers typically do not provide sinusoidal AC. They typically
provide high slew rate DC pulses, which alternate in polarity.
Gapping ALWAYS increases leakage inductance. That is why the gap is
not very large, at all. I have always maintained this qualifier.
In class A audio amps the transformers are normally gapped.
this to prevent saturation because of the DC component.
Class A audio amps were _very_ popular in the tube ages, and later
in small transistor radios.
Even today people ...
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