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John Woodgate

I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich The Philosophizer
Oh, it's already quite dead. That's why it's so important to rescue the
Lost Will from it.

Why? Does it say where the money is hidden?
 
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Pig Bladder

Bullshit.

My, aren't we glib today, in our Declaration of Everything That Could
Ever Possibly Be Known.

Or maybe arrogant.

Wiser than the creator of yourself? Good Job! That is the goal, after all.

Fly! Be Free!
 
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Pig Bladder

I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich The Philosophizer


Why? Does it say where the money is hidden?

Yes, but it's "in code", in that it's not a map in the conventional sense.
The final answer is that, on Earth, She lives in your butthole.
 
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Kryten

Rich The Philosophizer said:
He is, and has been since before you were even conceived.

When do you plan to start listening?

If I start hearing voices in my head, I'll see a doctor/psychiatrist.

Something you should do instead of posting your pseudo mystic babble here.

We don't put electronics posts into religious newsgroups,
So don't put religious posts into electronics newsgroups.
 
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Dirk Bruere at Neopax

Kryten said:
If I start hearing voices in my head, I'll see a doctor/psychiatrist.

Something you should do instead of posting your pseudo mystic babble here.

We don't put electronics posts into religious newsgroups,

Er... I do occasionally.
So don't put religious posts into electronics newsgroups.

....

--
Dirk

The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org
 
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Kryten

Dirk Bruere at Neopax said:
Er... I do occasionally.

I presume there were good reasons.


If someone there was having a spiritual crisis, you would not offer
irrelevant suggestions about electronics.

Rich the Newsgroup Wacko seems to proffer his belief system as the solution
to everything, even a cure for cancer. Sheesh!
 
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Dirk Bruere at Neopax

Kryten said:
I presume there were good reasons.


If someone there was having a spiritual crisis, you would not offer
irrelevant suggestions about electronics.

Perhaps you would eg DIY ECT
Rich the Newsgroup Wacko seems to proffer his belief system as the solution
to everything, even a cure for cancer. Sheesh!


--
Dirk

The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org
 
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Ben Bradley

I agree.

For far too long it has been padded out by people like Ivor Catt (or Imor
Twatt IMHO) waffling about stuff so esoteric that only a few like-minded
gasbags are bothered to argue with. And as for the obsession with high-end
audio, it is hardly going to make a difference unless you work for a hi-fi
company. HiFi is so Hi that remaining % is in the placebo domain...

I have a glance at E&WW when I visit my local library / newsagent, but I
haven't seen anything I would part with hard cash for.

When I was a kid (1980s!) I bought mags to get ideas for neat things I could
make and do.

Elektor is better at this but I reckon most of each serious project is a
microcontroller system.
Heck, who can't design that bit? Or it is a trivial circuit from a
chip-maker's app note.

I reckon they ought to just make one microcontroller foundation (CPU, LCD,
KBD) and just publish the add-on bits for particular projects.

Trouble is, the standard for something cool to make has long exceeded what
amateurs can make at home.

At one time for example, Byte mag might have published an article for a
frame grabber that was way cheaper than commercial ones. Nowadays, you can
buy USB TV dongles for less than an hour or two of most engineer's time.

Circa 1980, you could design a significant commercial product in your garage
with COTS parts, and become a major player if you had a few hundred bucks
(e.g. Steve Jobs and Apple). I can design better products than that today,
but commercial standards have improved a thousand fold. Magazine projects
can't really compete!

Winfield Hill wrote


To which I reply "we are!"

To paraphrase Andy Warhol, "In the future, everyone will be famous for
fifteen megabytes".
(or whatever the typical limit is at the time)

I have filled my own 15 MByte of web space with stuff personally polished by
me.
I have now got another site with a 50 MByte quota!

I suspect Warhol meant bandwidth instead of online storage, and the
number thesedays would be more like 15 gigabytes.
Actually the modern version of the quote is:

In the future, everyone will be Shashdotted.

The other problem is that not many engineers are good writers.
Winfield Hill and Paul Horowitz an exception of course.
I was a technical author for four years, so I hope I can write fairly well.
But most engineers I meet are not good communicators.
Often they have the attitude that if they have to explain something you are
too stupid to be worth the effort of explanation.


It is true magazines have declined, but then again you can google for what
you want and discard a lot of the crap...

I just got turned on to this:
http://www.atarimagazines.com/creative/index/ but I still have a
hardcopy issue of Creative Computing from 1977 that's not on that
site, and it's a hoot.
 
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Ben Bradley

I presume this is a UK magazine, I've heard of it but don't think
I've ever seen an issue. It's a shame, I suspect there are a lot fewer
non-US publications sold in the US than there are US publications sold
elsewhere.
Have they done a transcranial magnetic stimulator?

Hmm, I've wanted to make a rectocranial rectifier ever since I
worked for my first boss, and whenever I've seen a rectocranial
inversion.
 
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John Woodgate

I read in sci.electronics.design that Ben Bradley <ben_nospam_bradley@mi
In the future, everyone will be Shashdotted.

Is it painful? Can one insure against spelling mistakes?
 
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Rich The Philosophizer

If I start hearing voices in my head, I'll see a doctor/psychiatrist.

Something you should do instead of posting your pseudo mystic babble here.

We don't put electronics posts into religious newsgroups,
So don't put religious posts into electronics newsgroups.

Yes, The bank doesn't sell pizza, we don't cash checks.

What is it that scares you about my pseudo mystic babble?

When did I ever say anything about "voices in my head"? All of the voices
in my head are my own. The problem with listening to God Within is, She
doesn't speak English. You feel her in your butt.

Cheers!
Rich
 
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Rich The Newsgropup Wacko

I presume there were good reasons.

Curiosity? A desire to know more than what the teacher told you?
If someone there was having a spiritual crisis, you would not offer
irrelevant suggestions about electronics.

Are you having an electronics crisis, and so don't want to hear irrelevant
suggestions about "spirit"? And BTW, spirit has been thoroughly covered in
existing literature - I'm promoting the other end of that spectrum, Will.
Rich the Newsgroup Wacko seems to proffer his belief system as the solution
to everything, even a cure for cancer. Sheesh!

Well, show me the experiment that says it's not!

Cheers!
Rich The Newsgroup Wacko ;^j
 
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Rich The Philosophizer

If you're interested in exploring some options, there are instructions,
and sort of an explanation of what "inner listening" is, at
http://www.godchannel.com .

Yeah, it's outside science. Yeah, it comes off as maniacal rantings of a
lunatic.

So what? I'm a scientist, after all - that means one who endeavors to find
answers, no? And if the existing tools can't reach the object of your
investigation, you have to invent new tools, right? And is it not true
that a declaration of "It couldn't possibly be" is about the most
blockheaded fundie-level faith, that's actually contrary to the spirit of
science itself?

Who told me I know everything there is to know about the way reality
works? Or, more importantly, who told _you_ that what they told you about
the way reality works is all there is to the way reality works?

Thanks,
Rich
 
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Rich The Newsgropup Wacko

Hmm, I've wanted to make a rectocranial rectifier ever since I
worked for my first boss, and whenever I've seen a rectocranial
inversion.

Be careful what you ask for! One time, in my distant past, in one of the
alcoholism treatment programs I've been in, they asked for a survey of,
essentially, "How ya' doin'?". I put "Optic rectusis." What this
means, and I think most smart people already know it, is the condition
where the optic nerve gets crossed with the nerve that controls the
rectum, and you get a shitty outlook on life.

The nurse who collected the surveys, some hours or days later, asked me,
"What's this term here, 'optic rectusis'?" I 'splained. She got all red
in the face, and gave an embarrassed laugh - "I put that on your chart!"

Cheers!
Rich
 
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Jonathan Kirwan

If you're interested in exploring some options, there are instructions,
and sort of an explanation of what "inner listening" is, at
http://www.godchannel.com .

Yeah, it's outside science. Yeah, it comes off as maniacal rantings of a
lunatic.

So why should I care? Exactly.
So what? I'm a scientist, after all

You haven't convinced me. But then, you know that and are likely just trying to
rattle a cage you perceive I'm in.
- that means one who endeavors to find answers, no?

No. That's an idiot's definition. Feel free to hold it. There are a dozen
words better suited. But if you like twisting other words to your purposes,
have at it. I don't expect anything I'll say will change you.
And if the existing tools can't reach the object of your
investigation, you have to invent new tools, right?

If you consider making piles of mud inventing new tools, fine. I'm not going to
argue with you. Just don't expect me to call them that.
And is it not true
that a declaration of "It couldn't possibly be" is about the most
blockheaded fundie-level faith, that's actually contrary to the spirit of
science itself?

This is just more stupid rantings, Rich. Since you perseverate in these, I
don't expect to change you. So please yourself.

I've been very, very clear. You ignore it, but I continue to be very clear
about what I expect. I expect claimants to provide affirming evidence that is
consistent in quantity and quality to the extraordinary nature of the claims.
Affirming evidence, not just some claimed absence of disproof. Your "it
couldn't possibly be" is you taking things to an extreme and then trying, from
that vantage, to point out how supposedly 'reasonable' you are being.

But that is just more bullshit from you, Rich. You are NOT being the least bit
rational or reasonable. If you were, you'd carry your own water and not go
begging to others to do it. You would provide the affirming evidence for your
extraordinary claims and you wouldn't go hiding yourself behind such patently
stupid statements, pretending that it is everyone else's fault.

The *only* reason I take the time at all with you, Rich, is simply because you
really *do* make such a wonderful object lesson to others. And, in that regard,
you are worthy every penny.
Who told me I know everything there is to know about the way reality
works? Or, more importantly, who told _you_ that what they told you about
the way reality works is all there is to the way reality works?

Who said I said anything of the sort?

I know you cannot read anything I've said with understanding or care. That's
fine. I don't expect you to. Just keep ranting and, occasionally, I will be
bothered to chip in and point out the lesson of the day from it.

I rather *like* having you around, Rich. Really, I do.

Jon
 
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Don Lancaster

John said:
Well, Cyril Bateman and occasionally others are struggling to keep it
alive. The problem is undoubtedly that very few people have the time
and/or inclination these days to write articles for publication.

Total horseshit.

The problem is undoubetedly that very few people will put up with the
over TWENTY TIMES REDUCTION in payment rates for writing articles for
publication.

Thirty years ago, you could easily get filty rich writing tech stories
for magazines.
Today, you cannot even remotely approach prison wages.

--
Many thanks,

Don Lancaster
Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
voice: (928)428-4073 email: [email protected]

Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com
 
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john jardine

Winfield Hill said:
john jardine wrote...

I just got my January issue, with the 4th Cyril Bateman article.
While this article alone makes the issue worthwhile for me, there
were plenty of other good things to grab my attention. Not one to
declare EW down and out, I recently renewed my 3-year subscription.
Plus I'll make a submission sometime soon to keep the ball rolling.

Great stuff!.
I look forward to the pleasure of reading it.
regards
john
 
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