Building a Fibre NBN on a Copper budget

[Rod Speed]

Wonder why it's not readiily available in outback towns!

With cable, that’s because they arent enough of a market
to warrant cable, they get satellite PayTV instead.

ADSL2+ is available in most towns.

 

[Rod Speed]

So, you obviously have a plan to do FTTP NBN for less than $50B, right?

Wrong. I keep saying we should only be providing broadband where
there isn't decent broadband already available to anyone who wants it.

That’s not going to cost anything like $50B.

 

[Rod Speed]

Didn’t bother with any of this shit, you've gone completely rabid.

Try again if you want a rational discussion.

 

[Rod Speed]

So, who's wanked until going blind?! It ain't me!

There ain't anything there about Krudd proposed FTTN.

That’s what the RFP_2007/09 is for.

Rudd's RFP doesn't say anything about FTTN.
Wrong.

G9 FTTN isn't affiliated with KRudd either. And KRudd was in opposition at
the time G9 announced their FTTN.

Yes, that one wasn't the Dud's.

 

[Damian]

That’s what the RFP_2007/09 is for.

Yes, that may be true, but it's not mentioned in the wiki article.
So, I'm gonna have to take your word on that.

Wrong.

Right. It's not mentioned in the article that KRudd's RFP is about FTTN.
So, I'm gonna have to take your word on that.

 

[Damian]

Wrong. I keep saying we should only be providing broadband where
there isn't decent broadband already available to anyone who wants it.

That’s not going to cost anything like $50B.

So, how do we provide decent broadband to areas that currently can't get
broadband services like,
ADSL and cable?!

 

[Damian]

With cable, that’s because they arent enough of a market
to warrant cable, they get satellite PayTV instead.

I'm not too worried about cable, even I don't have cable in my
neighbourhood.
It ain't worth the trouble laying cables when ADSL is fast enough for most
of the average people.

ADSL2+ is available in most towns.

Near the towns, that may be true. Further away from the town outside ADSL
availability circle they can only rely on satellite internet, right?!

 

[Rod Speed]

Yes, that may be true,

That is true.

but it's not mentioned in the wiki article.

But is mentioned in the tender and in plenty
of articles that mention that tender.

So, I'm gonna have to take your word on that.

Nope. Just get off your lard arse and
follow the references in that para.

Wrong.

It's not mentioned in the article that KRudd's RFP is about FTTN.

That’s not the Dud's RFP, that’s a reference to the Dud's RFP.

So, I'm gonna have to take your word on that.

Nope. Just get off your lard arse and
follow the references in that para.

And if you can't do any better than this juvenile shit, I
won't be bothering to reply to any of your juvenile shit.

 

[Rod Speed]

So, how do we provide decent broadband to areas that currently can't get
broadband services like, ADSL and cable?!

I already told you that more than once. The type of very specific
wireless that the NBN is already rolling out, satellite and FTTP,
particularly with new subdivisions.

 

[Rod Speed]

I'm not too worried about cable, even I don't have cable in my
neighbourhood.
It ain't worth the trouble laying cables when ADSL is fast enough for most
of the average people.

Near the towns, that may be true.

It is true.

Further away from the town outside ADSL availability circle they can only
rely on satellite internet, right?!

Wrong. They all have wireless available too.

 

[F Murtz]

It's a good sweet word policy, that's all about it.
See, I warned you not to drink too much of that home brew stuff, they are
pretty addictive.


Yep, too expensive than having them here.


He didn't do jackshit like that. He only controlled it.
In his times we didn't have the influx of desparate people from middleeast
and asia. It was far less back then.
His turn boats back policy was just a bullshit word. People smugglers are
too smart to give into that.
Just because there are no official records of that many boats, doesn't mean
there weren't many boats.
Many get through and disappear into the community.


While pissing our money on fat cat pollys in PNG.


Of course he knows. He ain't stupid like Coward.


You ain't got balls.
Only bullshit talks, no action.
I dare you to go to public with that strategy of blowing off boats.


Fraser disagrees.


Of course they did.
They are passing by you right under your arse.


So, why ranting on PNG solution then?!


Yep, they should come and piss on you and take you to Antarctica.
And leave your house to me, so I won't have to build a one.


Yep. and the employers may hire them instead of you.


Fairytale bullshit.
That bum was hopeless.
Fraser agrees.


Yep, I have been watching your dellusions.


Yep, and you kept predicting bullshit like that for eight months, nothing
came true, complete opposite is happening instead.


We should let those thousand a week in here and send you and the likes to
Antarctica with satellite internet.
Don't you like that idea?! It's a good exchange program.
I'm hoping to get into politics to implement that.

You realize of course that there are 44 million aprox just waiting for
the easiest country to settle in.

 

[Damian]

You realize of course that there are 44 million aprox just waiting for the
easiest country to settle in.

Yes, I do realize that. The actual number may be even lot higher than that.
It's human problem, not a street dog problem.
We look after our domestic animals lot better than we do the refugees(for
the most part).
It shouldn't be an election horse cart for the major parties to fart around
with our future and money.
Decent thing to do is to let them come here and send them back accordingly
as we did with Vietnamese and Bosnians.
We can always use our navy to catch the people smugglers and send some of
them to long jail terms to rot.
The issue is that major parties exploit it, close to elections, while
burying our real problems.
If we are genuine about our resentment towards people smugglers, then
there's nothing to stop us from catching the morons and
let them suffer in jail with the resources we have now.

 

[Damian]

Didn’t bother with any of this shit, you've gone completely rabid.

Obviously you got better things to do with your time!.
If I'm rabid, I ain't the only one.

 

[Damian]

That is true.


But is mentioned in the tender and in plenty
of articles that mention that tender.


Nope. Just get off your lard arse and
follow the references in that para.


That’s not the Dud's RFP, that’s a reference to the Dud's RFP.


Nope. Just get off your lard arse and
follow the references in that para.

And if you can't do any better than this juvenile shit, I
won't be bothering to reply to any of your juvenile shit.

Man, some of your claims are hard to find on the internet, even if I convert
my lard arse to a race horse arse.
Even you wouldn't give rat's poop about fishing data on the internet if it
happens to be me who brought up above argument.
You would say, "You brought it up, you get to substantiate it with data".
If you can't be bothered to direct me to the information, I'm gonna take
your word. So, you better be right.
I'm thinking you must be right since you are willing to break balls on it.

 

[Damian]

I already told you that more than once. The type of very specific
wireless that the NBN is already rolling out, satellite and FTTP,
particularly with new subdivisions.

Ok. You are in favour of FTTP on new subdivisions, that makes sense after
all.
AFAIK, current satellite internet ain't that decent in terms of current
speeds they provide.
Tell me I'm wrong??!!

 

[Damian]

It is true.


Wrong. They all have wireless available too.

At what average speeds, according to your research?!

 

[Rod Speed]

Yes, I do realize that. The actual number may be even lot higher than
that.

Yes it is.

It's human problem, not a street dog problem.
We look after our domestic animals lot better than we do the refugees(for
the most part).

Bullshit. Out local pound kills ALL the cats that end up
there and that was just under 500 of them last year.

And about a third of the dogs too.

It shouldn't be an election horse cart for the major parties to fart
around with our future and money.
Decent thing to do is to let them come here and send them back accordingly
as we did with Vietnamese and Bosnians.

We did nothing of the sort with the Vietnamese.

And we didn’t see anything like a THOUSAND A WEEK of those.

It took the Dud's complete and utter fucking up
of everything he touches to produce that result.

We can always use our navy to catch the people smugglers and send some of
them to long jail terms to rot.

The people smugglers aren't on the fucking boats.

The issue is that major parties exploit it, close to elections, while
burying our real problems.

That is currently a MUCH bigger problem than anything else.

If we are genuine about our resentment towards people smugglers, then
there's nothing to stop us from catching the morons and let them suffer in
jail with the resources we have now.

Pity they are in Indonesia.

 

[Rod Speed]

Man, some of your claims are hard to find on the internet,

Sure, some don’t have nice tidy keywords to use.

Even this one which does isn't that easy, essentially because
FTTN was not used much in the discussion at that time,
essentially because no one that mattered much had actually
been stupid enough to propose FTTP instead at the time that
fool had proposed his FTTN scheme in the election campaign
that got him into govt and even with the earlier Telstra proposal
to do FTTN by that stupid obese yank Burgess didn’t use that term.

even if I convert my lard arse to a race horse arse.
Even you wouldn't give rat's poop about fishing data on the internet if it
happens to be me who brought up above argument.

I do when its easy enough to find.

You would say, "You brought it up, you get to substantiate it with data".

I never use that phrase and you can prove that using groups.google

 

[Rod Speed]

Ok. You are in favour of FTTP on new subdivisions, that makes sense after
all.

AFAIK, current satellite internet ain't that decent in terms of current
speeds they provide.
Tell me I'm wrong??!!

Yes, you are wrong, particularly for the most remote
communitys that don’t have fiber optic into the town at all.

Not that there are very many of those at all left now tho.

Its still the best way to do broadband for the largest
rural propertys where its not feasible to do by fiber either.

 

[Rod Speed]

At what average speeds, according to your research?!

Only one step down from the 4G seen in the larger
towns now and that will be changing over time too
as 4G moves out to everywhere on the Telstra system.