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Damian

Rod Speed said:
Nope, those are there right now.


They don’t need at least 20Mbps.

ADSL2+ will do them fine and most of them have that right now.

The problem isnt the towns, its those well out of the towns.


None of them need anything like that.




Even someone as stupid as you should be able to
grasp that MOST OF US is nothing even remotely
resembling anything like ALL OF US.


Even someone as stupid as you should be able to
grasp that THOSE WHO CAN'T CURRENTLY HAVE
ONE is nothing even remotely resembling anything
like ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY.



Because anyone with even half a clue who has been following
the debate about the NBN knows that that is by using whatever
of ADSL2+. wireless the way the NBN is doing it right now, and
satellite and FTTP are the way to do that.


Then just die quietly.

I would, but not before you.
You get no say what so ever on what is or is not good enough.

Why not?! You seem to be getting a say.
No one with even half a clue actually gives a flying red ****
what those stupid clowns might or might not like to hear.

Do J.Coward and T. Ababttoire fall into the same catergory?!
 
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Damian

Rod Speed said:
No it isnt, just a waste of money.

That depends
No, just a waste of money.

That depends
Your clown pulled it out of the hat when he discovered that
no one was actually stupid enough to tender for his FTTN.

Somebody must have deleted it, 'cos i can't find it anywhere.
Got any links, dude?!
And without any attempt to justify spending $50B when most
of us can have a very decent broadband service either.

Wonder why all the outback towns and many regional areas are hopeless when
it comes to 'decent' broadband.
It happened with every single thing that terminal fuckwit did in fact.

Yeah, I know, J. Coward was that stupid, other than his federal bill on gun
control on looneys.
 
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Damian

Rod Speed said:
Not that large a share, actually. And he is actually talking
about the very real problem that the cost to the RSP is
supposed to dramatically increase over time too.


I doubt it with PayTV and the net alone.

While operations like his and now iinet that he sold
out to are certainly interested in providing that along
with the net service, that isn't what Foxtel wants to see.


Yes, but with a significant cost in what ends
up in the consumer's place as he points out.


Makes more sense to have that included in
the PayTV side of things, but at no cost for
those who just want the free to air channels.


Not necessarily with so many doing that
stuff with the mobile phone system now.


Yes, but as he points out, at a very significant cost for
those phone only connections, for what is as he points out
something that is seen with fewer and fewer customers now.

Does it actually make any real sense to be ripping out all that
POTS copper and replacing it with a much more expensive
way of providing POTS services for those customers ?

The reason the NBN wants to do that is because you then
have no choice but to use the NBN because the copper is
gone and they then can claim that most use the NBN service.

But in reality most would just use a mobile phone if the copper
is ripped out, most of them wouldn't bother with the NBN unless
they are too stupid to work out how to use a mobile phone and
just want someone to do everything for free and carry on regardless
and in effect by grossly subsidised by everyone else for that approach.


But there are in fact **** all of those left anymore for various reasons.

Does it really make any sense to be forcing everyone who
wants to operate nationally to be spending a hell of a lot more
just so almost no one can do a local service more cheaply ?


And dramatically so too.


And its clear its only a small part of the total cost
of the NBN even if he doesn't spell that out himself.


He did claim it wouldn't cost much more at and is
likely right about that with the RSP provided NTU.


I don't when most of us already have a decent broadband service.

We don't.
Most of us do much more than usenet and wikepedia, etc surfing.
We download and upload a fair bit.
Bandwidth demand due to audio-video material is growing rapidly.
 
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Damian

Petzl said:
Welcome to the world of knowledge and modern civilization.
A world of justice, freedom, liberty and democracy.

NBN brings all of that?!!!
How so?
 
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Damian

Don McKenzie said:
On 22-Jul-13 11:01 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:

Hmmm...

I have the NBN pulling in cables at the top end of my street this morning.

Sounds like you are about get lucky.
 
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atec77

How about you blokes trim some , damo either trim which is an
effective weapon against the qwanker bot or get plonked for being a pita
 
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Damian

Rod Speed said:
Nope, those are there right now.


They don’t need at least 20Mbps.

ADSL2+ will do them fine and most of them have that right now.

The problem isnt the towns, its those well out of the towns.


None of them need anything like that.




Even someone as stupid as you should be able to
grasp that MOST OF US is nothing even remotely
resembling anything like ALL OF US.


Even someone as stupid as you should be able to
grasp that THOSE WHO CAN'T CURRENTLY HAVE
ONE is nothing even remotely resembling anything
like ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY.



Because anyone with even half a clue who has been following
the debate about the NBN knows that that is by using whatever
of ADSL2+. wireless the way the NBN is doing it right now, and
satellite and FTTP are the way to do that.

If that's the case why are you saying FTTP NBN is a waste?!!!
 
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Rod Speed

Like pissing money on off-shore processing in Nauru and PNG by giving
millions of our money to them,

Not even a single billion involved.
so their corrupted pollies can wank at banana trees with our money?!!

No banana trees in either of them.
There's nothing unique about NBN.

That’s just plain wrong. The NTUs are unique world wide, stupidly.
Fibre has been around for a long time.

Yes, but FTTP hasn’t.
It's indeed old technology rejuvenated.

Wrong, as always.
Obviously not to you.

Not to anyone else either.
But, the rest of us can be affected by mobile phone radiation.
Nope.

The researchers say so.

Like hell they do.
Little green men?!!


Hearing aid helps me to hear the nagging of your non existing great great
great great grand children??!!
How does that work?!
So, we should spend that money ugrading the sydney road network
Yes.

and high speed railway projects, right?!!
Nope.

And perhaps upgrade all the inner city streets,
Nope.

so Packer boy can build more and more casinos, right?!!
Nope.
And you obviously have a clue?!!
Yep.
My hearing is superb. as a matter of fact it's better than average.
My range expands into the higher frequency where most people can't hear.
Above 20kHz to be precise. Ain't that great?!!

Nope, completely useless in fact.
Of course they were man.

Nothing for them to mine.
They entered via the northern tip and have been trading with northern
aborigenes, long before the anglos showed up.

That wasn’t the chinese.
Who said the Jimmy Cooker was here deliberately?!!

Corse he was.
He was bullshitting the British royalty to get into the history books by
fudging his records.

Nothing to do with British royalty, everything
to do with real science, the transit of Venus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Cook#First_voyage_.281768.E2.80.9371.29
And the polynesians took care of him for spreading all the diseases,

Not a fucking clue, as always.
but they were too late, weren't they?
Luckily for him, the aborigenes weren't anywhere as violent as
polynesians, so he did manage to contaminate here pretty well.
Hence, we are here, right?!!

Wrong. Some poms decided they needed a penal colony.
Well, it's not a great idea after all, it's the dumbest thing coaltion
did.

Nope, he was flushed where he belongs politically.
They would've had the upcoming election in their pockets, easily, if they
had kept Turnball.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
that you have never ever had a fucking clue about
anything to do with politics or anything else either.
Now, they have Krudd the ultimate warrior to deal with,

Nope, to laugh at when gets flushed where he belongs.
and Tony the Abattoire is sweating hard.

Only because he rides that stupid bike of his.
On the other hand, there's no way to kill a leader in stealth mode, it
gonna be public one way or the other.

Wrong, as always.
And Aussies obviously don't like inner party dog fights and kinghits.
Krudd and Turnball's popularity is partly(or mainly) due to the underdog
effect.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
that you have never ever had a fucking clue about
anything to do with politics or anything else either.
I'm glad you see him that way.

He was even more stupid with his middle class welfare.
He's still in favour of ETS.

Yep, he actually is that stupid.
He's only bashing carbon tax to stick around for bit longer with Tony the
Abattoire, so when Abbot is flushed down the sewer, he gets his revenge
and his old job back.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
that you have never ever had a fucking clue about
anything to do with politics or anything else either.
Abbot will be covered in fresh sewage soon, underground. Wait and see.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
that you have never ever had a fucking clue about
anything to do with politics or anything else either.
Then he won't have to worry too much about sniffing queen's bum.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
that you have never ever had a fucking clue about
anything to do with politics or anything else either.
It is. Royal bum sniffers won't have much of a future here in the future.

You're projecting now.
If that's the case, it will start from Q'land,

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
that you have never ever had a fucking clue about
anything to do with politics or anything else either.
put on your glasses and keep watching Newman getting flushed where he
belongs.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
that you have never ever had a fucking clue about
anything to do with politics or anything else either.

He's just doing the usual slash and burn that all pollys
do when they get in in one hell of a landslide.

Howard did the same thing and survived fine.
Nothing there.
Precisely.
"Do something" then?!!!

I told you what should be done instead, time after time after time.

In one ear and straight out the other, as always with you.
Me or you?!!

You, stupid.
Yeah, I can see and hear you and Libs pissing themselves 'cos of the Krudd
resurgence.

Obvious lie, you've clearly wanked yourself completely blind.
So, pollys don't have any effect on the economy of the country?!!

Yep, its driven by other stuff entirely.
Fact.

it never have any valuable effect.

What Howard did did.
Just pissing our money.

Even if it doesn’t stop anyone, they'll be in PNG, not here.
The new policy(no settlement of boat arrivals) may have effect.
But the policy will be short lived, since it's happening in PNG at a high
cost.

Nope, much cheaper than having them here.
Didn't say it does. There's no need to stop them coming, 'cos it's not
possible.

Howard did it, its obviously possible.
Not if you can count.

You obviously can't.
It won't and there's no need to. Only need a deterrent.

Dumping them in PNG is that in spades.
Only a terminal mental patient would do that.

Just rubbing your stupid nose in that lie.
Fact.

Coward didn't show jackshit. Boats still kept coming,

Like hell they did.
you just don't know it.

Nothing to know.
You can only control it,

The Dud has done nothing of the sort.

A THOUSAND A FUCKING WEEK NOW.
and that's exactly what we should focus on,

We focus on the THOUSAND A FUCKING WEEK instead.
without pissing our money on little pacific islanders.
Perfectly possible, if we get the party politics out of it.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.
We should outlaw major parties using boat people to get elected.

Completely off with the fucking fairys, as always.
We can do whatever we can. The boats will keep sneaking in.

The didn’t with Howard.
It will ge an ongoing struggle for them to get here and we to control it.
And that's the way it's going to be.

Nope, you watch.
Fact.


You wait and watch.
As soon as Krudd wins the election,

When he loses the election, he will be flushed where he belongs, you watch.
his focus will be on other things.

Yeah, like what he's gunna do outside politics.

With a bit of luck he'll hang himself.
Same with the Libs, until the next next election comes closer.

Nope, they'll have been elected and will have to do something
about the THOUSAND A FUCKING WEEK that the Dud produced.
For ecomomic boat arrivals, yet. But, there are plenty of desparate
refugees among them.

None of them want to end up in PNG either.
Absolute bullshit.

It’s a fact.
Believing in bullshit ain't gonna fix the issue.

The Dud fixed it great, eh ? ONLY A THOUSAND A FUCKING WEEK.
Even libs don't believe in that.
Bob Carr mangled something like that, but that's just empty pre-election
slogans.
Yes, we do need to make 'it clear', but without pissing and shitting on
ourselves.

You're the only one doing that.
 
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Rod Speed

Damian said:
That depends


That depends
Somebody must have deleted it,
Nope.

'cos i can't find it anywhere.

Because you wanked yourself completely blind.
Wonder why all the outback towns and many regional areas are hopeless when
it comes to 'decent' broadband.

They aren't. They ALL have ADSL2+ available to anyone who wants it.
 
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Damian

Rod Speed said:
Not even a single billion involved.


No banana trees in either of them.



That’s just plain wrong. The NTUs are unique world wide, stupidly.


Yes, but FTTP hasn’t.


Wrong, as always.



Not to anyone else either.


Like hell they do.





Nope, completely useless in fact.



Nothing for them to mine.


That wasn’t the chinese.



Corse he was.


Nothing to do with British royalty, everything
to do with real science, the transit of Venus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Cook#First_voyage_.281768.E2.80.9371.29


Not a fucking clue, as always.


Wrong. Some poms decided they needed a penal colony.



Nope, he was flushed where he belongs politically.


Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
that you have never ever had a fucking clue about
anything to do with politics or anything else either.


Nope, to laugh at when gets flushed where he belongs.


Only because he rides that stupid bike of his.


Wrong, as always.


Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
that you have never ever had a fucking clue about
anything to do with politics or anything else either.



He was even more stupid with his middle class welfare.



Yep, he actually is that stupid.


Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
that you have never ever had a fucking clue about
anything to do with politics or anything else either.



Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
that you have never ever had a fucking clue about
anything to do with politics or anything else either.


Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
that you have never ever had a fucking clue about
anything to do with politics or anything else either.



You're projecting now.



Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
that you have never ever had a fucking clue about
anything to do with politics or anything else either.


Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
that you have never ever had a fucking clue about
anything to do with politics or anything else either.

He's just doing the usual slash and burn that all pollys
do when they get in in one hell of a landslide.

Howard did the same thing and survived fine.




I told you what should be done instead, time after time after time.

In one ear and straight out the other, as always with you.



You, stupid.



Obvious lie, you've clearly wanked yourself completely blind.



Yep, its driven by other stuff entirely.


What Howard did did.


Even if it doesn’t stop anyone, they'll be in PNG, not here.

It's a good sweet word policy, that's all about it.
See, I warned you not to drink too much of that home brew stuff, they are
pretty addictive.
Nope, much cheaper than having them here.

Yep, too expensive than having them here.
Howard did it, its obviously possible.

He didn't do jackshit like that. He only controlled it.
In his times we didn't have the influx of desparate people from middleeast
and asia. It was far less back then.
His turn boats back policy was just a bullshit word. People smugglers are
too smart to give into that.
Just because there are no official records of that many boats, doesn't mean
there weren't many boats.
Many get through and disappear into the community.
You obviously can't.



Dumping them in PNG is that in spades.

While pissing our money on fat cat pollys in PNG.

Of course he knows. He ain't stupid like Coward.
Just rubbing your stupid nose in that lie.

You ain't got balls.
Only bullshit talks, no action.
I dare you to go to public with that strategy of blowing off boats.

Fraser disagrees.
Like hell they did.

Of course they did.
They are passing by you right under your arse.
Nothing to know.


The Dud has done nothing of the sort.

So, why ranting on PNG solution then?!
A THOUSAND A FUCKING WEEK NOW.

Yep, they should come and piss on you and take you to Antarctica.
And leave your house to me, so I won't have to build a one.
We focus on the THOUSAND A FUCKING WEEK instead.

Yep. and the employers may hire them instead of you.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.


Completely off with the fucking fairys, as always.



The didn’t with Howard.

Fairytale bullshit.
That bum was hopeless.
Fraser agrees.
Nope, you watch.

Yep, I have been watching your dellusions.
Bullshit


When he loses the election, he will be flushed where he belongs, you
watch.

Yep, and you kept predicting bullshit like that for eight months, nothing
came true, complete opposite is happening instead.
Yeah, like what he's gunna do outside politics.

With a bit of luck he'll hang himself.


Nope, they'll have been elected and will have to do something
about the THOUSAND A FUCKING WEEK that the Dud produced.

We should let those thousand a week in here and send you and the likes to
Antarctica with satellite internet.
Don't you like that idea?! It's a good exchange program.
I'm hoping to get into politics to implement that.
None of them want to end up in PNG either.

They won't They will end up in here eventually, you watch and see.
It’s a fact. Absolute bullshit


The Dud fixed it great, eh ? ONLY A THOUSAND A FUCKING WEEK.

Didn't, but didn't make it any worse either.
There ain't a silver bullet. Just random shooting. Some works, some don't.
You're the only one doing that.

What have you been doing on the wheelchair lately?!!
 
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Damian

Rod Speed said:
Because you wanked yourself completely blind.

You are bullshitting, aren't you?!

Come on. you can do better. There's nothing there about any FTTN by Krudd.
Find me the tender papers you are bragging about.
They aren't. They ALL have ADSL2+ available to anyone who wants it.

ADSL2+?! Where hav u been livign in dude?! outback Sydney?!
I warned you about that cheap brew.
 
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Damian

atec77 said:
How about you blokes trim some , damo either trim which is an effective
weapon against the qwanker bot or get plonked for being a pita

No man. We are having fun here. Very intelligent debate indeed.
There will be solutions for the nation in the end of this by Rod. :)
 
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Damian

Rod Speed said:
We do.


ADSL2+ and cable are fine for that.


Works fine over ADSL2+ and cable.

Wonder why it's not readiily available in outback towns!
You may need to get out more and see if you can walk.
Miracles do happpen, you know that.
 
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Rod Speed

Damian said:
You are bullshitting, aren't you?!


Come on. you can do better. There's nothing there about any FTTN by Krudd.

Bullshit. That’s what that para and the one after is says very explicitly
indeed.
Find me the tender papers you are bragging about.

Go and find them for yourself, fuckwit.
Yep.

Where hav u been livign in dude?! outback Sydney?!
I warned you about that cheap brew.

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet fucking paper bag.
 
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atec77

No man. We are having fun here. Very intelligent debate indeed.
There will be solutions for the nation in the end of this by Rod. :)
buhbye


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Damian

Rod Speed said:
Bullshit. That’s what that para and the one after is says very explicitly
indeed.

So, who's wanked until going blind?! It ain't me!

There ain't anything there about Krudd proposed FTTN. Rudd's RFP doesn't say
anything about FTTN.
G9 FTTN isn't affiliated with KRudd either. And KRudd was in opposition at
the time G9 announced their FTTN.

Go and find them for yourself, fuckwit.

Just cool down grandpa. It ain't worth a heart attack. :)
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet fucking paper bag.

Yep. You do it well for both of us.

All friggin outback towns I go to ain't got such animal.
It was, as a matter of fact, hopeless.

I warned you about eating too much red meat and drinking too much home brew,
didn't I?!! :))
 
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