Are Gadgets killing PCs?

[Gordon Levi]

Gordon Levi wrote


That graph lumps desktops and laptops and notebooks together, stupid.


Most arent actually stupid enough to cart it around all the time.


But not the screen or keyboard that is required for the most basic stuff.


They also need a decent screen and keyboard if they do more than a few texts.

I hardly ever text from the mobile itself, its much more convenient to use a real keyboard.

I'm sorry. I should not have used a TLA but I thought that readers of
this thread would know that a HID includes screens and keyboards. In
any case, the example I provide below illustrates the point that you
may want to connect your "computer" to all sorts of human interface
devices, including your TV and your car sound system.

You're wrong, as always.

Most will continue to do it the other way, a real PC of some sort
for all except the much more trivial stuff they do on their phone.

That is meaningless. What is a "real PC of some sort"?

 

[terryc]

Sounds like a typical yuppie showing off her possessions.

I resemble that. I was told "you add new meaning to toy boy" by SWMBO'd.
All I was doing was saving the location of a different shopping centre
into the car GPS device, but I had to do it outside the car.

 

[Rod Speed]

keithr wrote

Rod Speed wrote

My, you are domesticated!

Nope, just have enough of a clue to realise that if they
dont make what I want, it isnt that hard to make it myself.

Did it with the tomato and chilli relish that they stopped
making too. What I make myself leaves anything I have
ever bought for dead, should have made it myself long
before they stopped making the one I did buy.

I used to enjoy Roses Lime Marmalade,

Its not a patch on what I make.

but I'm not allowed to have it any more and have to make do with the reduced sugar stuff

Its trivial to make a reduced sugar marmalade that leaves it for dead.

 

[Rod Speed]

Gordon Levi wrote

I'm sorry.
Liar.

I should not have used a TLA but I thought that readers of this
thread would know that a HID includes screens and keyboards.

That was a comment on your stupid claim about mobile phones.

In any case, the example I provide below illustrates the point that
you may want to connect your "computer" to all sorts of human
interface devices, including your TV and your car sound system.

Irrelevant to that stupid claim of yours that I was commenting on.

That is meaningless.

You're lying, again.

What is a "real PC of some sort"?

What I said, a PC in desktop, laptop, notebook or tablet
format, not a mobile with no keyboard and a tiny screen.

 

[Yaputya Leftlegin]

keithr wrote


Nope, just have enough of a clue to realise that if they
dont make what I want, it isnt that hard to make it myself.

Did it with the tomato and chilli relish that they stopped
making too. What I make myself leaves anything I have
ever bought for dead, should have made it myself long
before they stopped making the one I did buy.

Good relish and chutney is expensive, would you mind posting your recipes ?

Its not a patch on what I make.


Its trivial to make a reduced sugar marmalade that leaves it for dead.

I make my own Kimchi, much cheaper than buying it when the right cabbage is
cheap.
You can make it as hot as you like.
http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/Traditional-Napa-Cabbage-Kimchi-233839

http://www.easykoreanfood.com/Kimchi-Recipe.html

 

[Rod Speed]

Yaputya Leftlegin wrote

Good relish and chutney is expensive,

True, tho that isnt the reason I make it myself.

would you mind posting your recipes ?

I started from
http://www.taste.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6064&sid=49c3a0519a5c4283f3a84bd1eca648c0
and used the cheapest canned diced tomatoes I could find, 66c a can.
Basically chucked everything in the food processor, and didnt bother to let
it rest overnight before cooking, because none of the other recipies did that.

Did it both with dried chilli flakes and with fresh jalepano chillies, the hot ones.
Cant really tell the difference between the two batches except for the fact that you
can still sort of see some of the flakes in the batch where I used the dried flakes.

Used 10 tablespoons of flakes and 5 jalapano chillies respectively.

Also tried both the 5 cloves of garlic and the same amount of minced garlic
in those little glass jars, cant tell the difference between those batches either.

Havent tried how important the other minor ingredients are, there seems
to be an awful lot of them and I'd be surprised if most could pick the batches
with particular ones left out in a proper double blind trial but havent tried that yet.

The cornflour is pretty important. I eat about half of the relish on the open
sandwitches I make with every loaf of bread I also make, never buy commercial
bread anymore either. I make it in a vertical loaf bread machine and start it so
the bread is ready very late in the day and have that for dinner that day.
I cut the dome off and put butter, relish, hot salami and lettuce on that
so its important that the relish doesnt drip on me when I am eating that.

I also use the relish on cold roast lamb with peas, corn and microwaved potatoes,
what I do with other than the first meal from a roast leg of lamb. Hot potatoes,
peas, corn, and cold roast lamb and relish with fresh tomatoes as well.

I make my own Kimchi, much cheaper than buying it when the right cabbage is cheap.
You can make it as hot as you like.
http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/Traditional-Napa-Cabbage-Kimchi-233839

http://www.easykoreanfood.com/Kimchi-Recipe.html

Thanks for that, I'll give it a go.

 

[keithr]

I resemble that. I was told "you add new meaning to toy boy" by SWMBO'd.
All I was doing was saving the location of a different shopping centre
into the car GPS device, but I had to do it outside the car.

I cop crap from the same source when I use the GPS while going somewhere
that I know the route to, but I use it as a precision speedo,

 

[David Segall]

Gordon Levi wrote


That was a comment on your stupid claim about mobile phones.


Irrelevant to that stupid claim of yours that I was commenting on.



You're lying, again.


What I said, a PC in desktop, laptop, notebook or tablet
format, not a mobile with no keyboard and a tiny screen.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't mean that
a 7" Android tablet is a "real PC of some sort" but a 5.3" Galaxy Pen
is not. So what _do_ you mean by "PC"? Why can't you add the screen,
mouse and keyboard you want to your mobile phone? I can use the same
bluetooth keyboard, mouse and speakers with my mobile phone as I use
with my "real PC". Both the phone and the PC allow me to plug in any
screen that has an HDMI connector.

 

[Rod Speed]

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't mean that
a 7" Android tablet is a "real PC of some sort" but a 5.3" Galaxy Pen
is not. So what _do_ you mean by "PC"? Why can't you add the screen,
mouse and keyboard you want to your mobile phone?

Because then it isnt portable, stupid.

I can use the same bluetooth keyboard, mouse and speakers
with my mobile phone as I use with my "real PC".

But then it still wont work as a multichannel PVR, stupid.

Both the phone and the PC allow me to plug
in any screen that has an HDMI connector.

But that screen wont fit in your pocket anymore, stupid.

 

[Gordon Levi]

Because then it isnt portable, stupid.

If you want something portable then you add a portable one such as

But then it still wont work as a multichannel PVR, stupid.

If you want a PVR then you add some USB ports
<http://tinyurl.com/46u266u>. Of course, you may need more than one
"computer" if you want to leave one connected to your home TV antenna
while you take another to Europe with you. I agree that MythTV is a
great way to prolong the useful life of an old computer.

But that screen wont fit in your pocket anymore, stupid.

Does your preferred "real PC" fit in your pocket? The phone will still
fit in your pocket if you leave the screen at home.

Basically, you are having trouble with the concept that, within a few
years, your smart phone will be as powerful as a "real PC" and that
the small size and huge volumes will make it cheaper to produce than
the desktop or laptop that you now see as a "real PC". As I said at
the beginning of this thread, the trend is clear from the plummeting
price of notebooks and netbooks compared to the fairly stable price of
desktops.

 

[Rod Speed]

Gordon Levi wrote

If you want something portable then you add a portable one such as
http://tinyurl.com/33ljktw.

Makes more sense to have a separate PC in the format you prefer instead.

If you want a PVR then you add some USB ports
http://tinyurl.com/46u266u.

Makes more sense to have a separate PC in the format you prefer instead.

Of course, you may need more than one "computer"
if you want to leave one connected to your home TV
antenna while you take another to Europe with you.

So it makes no sense to be stupid enough to do the PVR on the mobile phone.

And the 20TB of storage doesnt do a lot for the portability of the phone either.

I agree that MythTV is a great way to prolong the useful life of an old computer.

It makes a lot more sense to have the main PC as the PVR now and dont
bother with Linux at all. Gives you a lot more choice with the hardware.

Does your preferred "real PC" fit in your pocket?

Doesnt need to, the phone does that fine.

And its got a lot more horsepower than the phone too.

The phone will still fit in your pocket if you leave the screen at home.

Makes no sense to be crippling along on the phone all the time.

Basically, you are having trouble with the concept that, within a
few years, your smart phone will be as powerful as a "real PC"

It wont, because the real PC will continue to evolve too.

and that the small size and huge volumes will make it cheaper to
produce than the desktop or laptop that you now see as a "real PC".

How odd that it isnt.

As I said at the beginning of this thread, the trend is clear from the plummeting
price of notebooks and netbooks compared to the fairly stable price of desktops.

Thats a pig ignorant lie too on the price of the desktops.