$1b electric car infrastructure deal

[Mr.T]

Lol, they generall claim it is a fee for services provided, like
rubbish collection,
that road to your door/driveway,
rain water drainage,
stray dog control,
etc, etc, etc

Which of course is rubbish, or they would charge for each specific service,
and let those who don't need them save some money.

MrT.

 

[terryc]

It's obvious to everyone else
already.

What is obvious is that you have no clue about the real cost of roads and
will believe piffle

If you're talking about toll roads,

I was talking about what is outside your front door.

 

[terryc]

On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:43:47 +1100, Mr.T wrote:

about how the general population contributes to the cost of roads.

And how motorists contribute to general taxation.

Nope, motorists are very heavily subsidised by general taxation.

 

[terryc]

Which of course is rubbish, or they would charge for each specific
service, and let those who don't need them save some money.

When they start doing that,then you will be on a hiding to hell and an
empty bank account.

Lol, I'd love to see rubbish collection charge by weight. I'd hear the
chorus of screams all around as the big truck lifts the overflowing
megabins every week.

 

[terryc]

You also ignore the fact that non-motorists also use the roads and
footpaths for public transport, push bikes, walking, and especially for
road transport of all their consumer goods and most other services as
well. Why I wonder? I would love to know just who in Australia can manage
without reliance on the road network one way or another, in the last
century?

Well, back then,roads were much more basic and didn't require complex
engineering to cater for 4 tonne behomeuth charging along at 120km/hr.

Plenty of people got along with out motor vehicle. My ancestors moved from
Victoria to NSW by walking.

 

[Eeyore]

When they start doing that,then you will be on a hiding to hell and an
empty bank account.

Lol, I'd love to see rubbish collection charge by weight. I'd hear the
chorus of screams all around as the big truck lifts the overflowing
megabins every week.

Coming in the UK. And one guy got fined for allowing his bin's lid not to
be closed due to excessive contents by about £220.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Well, back then,roads were much more basic and didn't require complex
engineering to cater for 4 tonne behomeuth charging along at 120km/hr.

Plenty of people got along with out motor vehicle. My ancestors moved from
Victoria to NSW by walking.

Irrelevant.

 

[terryc]

Irrelevant.

Very relevant in that I and lots ofother people do not need the "road
network" as you call it to get around. I do not need mega highways between
capital cities, four/six lane free ways, 2 lane major motor ways, or even
two way streets to get around, go shopping, buy stuff and carry out my
business.

I am very happy with the many alternatives that exist.

 

[The Doctor]

They're just ticking over. Demand a serious load and they'll use MORE
FUEL.

You have a basic problem with thermodynamics I see and conservation of
energy. I guess SCIENCE wasn't your strong suit ?

I think SCIENCE is NOT your strong suit. Did I ever say it will use no
extra fuel? Do you even know anything about modern electricity network?
When do you think it would be most polluting? When we have to run up
older generators to meet peak demand from people charging their cars
during
the day or when people charge them at low demand (when the newer
generators can be run). And what about the loses in the tranmission and
distribution networks?

Unfortunately you are so one dimenational you don't think about these
other issues. I hope our scientists and engineers are not like you.
Otherwise we will just be happy to dig it out and ship it overseas,
sigh.

 

[Eeyore]

Very relevant in that I and lots ofother people do not need the "road
network" as you call it to get around. I do not need mega highways between
capital cities, four/six lane free ways, 2 lane major motor ways, or even
two way streets to get around, go shopping, buy stuff and carry out my
business.

I am very happy with the many alternatives that exist.

You are in a tiny minority. Modern economies require high mobility.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

or when people charge them at low demand

And what makes you think that will be the norm ?

Graham

 

[terryc]

You are in a tiny minority.

I didn't say that I wasn't mobile,

Modern economies require high mobility.

Which is NOT synonymous with a expensive road network.
Nor any measure of "good"

e.g 10 stores in our main street mainly selling cheap plastic crap and
other junk from China.

 

[Mr.T]

What is obvious is that you have no clue about the real cost of roads and
will believe piffle

No, I already said I don't believe your piffle.

MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

Nope, motorists are very heavily subsidised by general taxation.

Still not holding my breathe waiting for proof on that load of "piffle".
Even the pollies aren't stupid enough to claim that!

MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

When they start doing that,then you will be on a hiding to hell and an
empty bank account.

Not me, I'd save a fortune.

Lol, I'd love to see rubbish collection charge by weight. I'd hear the
chorus of screams all around as the big truck lifts the overflowing
megabins every week.

I get a discount for having a small rubbish bin already.

MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

Plenty of people got along with out motor vehicle. My ancestors moved from
Victoria to NSW by walking.

I did say in the last century!
Name one person who does not have any food, goods or other services
delivered by road?

MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

so one dimenational

Must be something to do with America I guess, the only nation I know that
uses 'dimes".

MrT.

 

[terryc]

I get a discount for having a small rubbish bin already.

Which council?

 

[terryc]

I did say in the last century!

Correct, you need to learn Australian History a bit bettter.

Name one person who does not have any food, goods or other services
delivered by road?

Oh, they still have deliveries in your neck of the woods?

 

[David L. Jones]

For those in Sydney interested in this stuff, there is a seminar next
Thursday.
Details below.

Dave.